Whilst “peace talks” take place
Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion
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They were reports that they were alive already, but Ukraine rushed to proclaim them dead and make them martyrs. It happens all the time during war, but lets not kid ourselves, they just wanted to find heroes.
My God, Kharkiv now. My friend's father is there. Praying.
Totally agree but this was never gonna be over in 3 days, I think the constant 24hr news makes it feel like this war has been going on for ever.
Yes, it was all over Western media and twitter how they all died heroically. In fact Russia claimed they were still alive and had been taken as prisoners and were laughed at as being 'Russian Propoganda'.
The amount of misinformation in the media and twitter is insane.
Not unless they all break free and head for Moscow to take out Putin.
They haven't really been able to reach him on a consistent basis for the last 3 days. They just know he's alive and cannot leave. Also super scared.
Reporters were reporting from the streets this morning. Ukraine still seems to have control of the ground, but the city is now coming under increasing artillery fire.
Kyiv seems pretty clam meanwhile with people restocking essentials.
I'm not sure if they already have or when the delegations are planning to meet. But it would not surprise me at all if the Ukrainian delegation is simply arrested under some pretense that what Ukraine is doing is illegal etc.
I would guess the proportion of disinformation is about level on both sides.
But the volume of it coming from pro-Russian sources is going to be much bigger because of their greater resources. And, of course, more cnuty because they're the clear and obvious aggressors.
Either way, we should take everything with a pinch of salt. Even if we want it to be true.
Unless it's a story coming a verified source, I'm going to assume it's an exaggeration of some kind. And even then, it's probably worth waiting a couple of days for corroboration.
Don't be naive. Roman got his money by backing Putler early on as the successor of Boris Yeltsin.
And also, even if Ukraine asked for him to be there, it would be exactly because he's got pull in Putin's Russia, even if they don't wash each other's backs.
The opportunity for great PR is also not to be underestimated, even if it's unlikely to result in anything tangible.
History repeats itself over and over and no one ever learns the lesson. When someone sits in power as long as Putin has they eventually wreak havoc. He was always a ticking bomb.
Been meeting for the last hour. They won’t arrest them - they’ll just keep them dragging on for days/weeks hoping the government will fall at some point/or Ukraine will leave.
I guess when Ukrainians heard that news (the heroes of snake island), it will have filled them all with a sense of patriotism. Which let's face it, you've got mass Russian Forces coming your way and looking death in the face...you need fuel like that for these circumstances.
It's what needs to be promoted though - These people turning around and questioning WTF Russia is doing. I don't think Abramovich is a saint or would be doing it for 100% selfless reasons, but I don't really care. Anyone with any kind of sway with the inner circle needs to be encouraged to speak out and step in.
Yeah he’s got Ukranian heritage and influence in Russia so it makes sense he is there as a broker.
Hope they haven't printed the medals yet.
The amount of misinformation is staggering.
The BBC filming russian troops like its a videogame, the inability to recognize if it's russian or ukranian tanks running over cars, now this....
Hope this ends soon.
From what I remember he was very close to Ukraine and was a very good friend of Shevchenko (who was once involved in the government) iirc.
Edit:
Also:
https://www.marca.com/en/football/international-football/2022/02/27/621baa52e2704e916d8b45cc.html
Abramovich has family in Ukraine.
In fairness, part of this is disinformation. Part has always been the case - militaries invest billions into technologies to get information quicker and understand the battlefield faster. When there is potentially no phones or internet getting reliable and up to date information from areas can be challenging, it's been the case throughout the history of warfare from the times you risked the guy on the horse with the message getting shot.
He’s apparently got zero political influence though…
Funny he’s now brokering a deal with governments a day after trying to distance himself from Chelsea to prevent sanctions.
Whatever the intention it simply highlights he has been and clearly is an oligarch.
Who he has the funds to get out and buy them new lavish homes elsewhere. As I said, anyone willing to pop their head above the parapet should be applauded for it in my opinion. Otherwise, it just encourages anyone else thinking about getting involved or speaking out to simply sit on their hands.
Yep and as the article the other poster referenced is very influential in the Jewish community. I don’t think anyone cares about his background when specifically discussing the theme of peace talks - if he can help in any way let him, no one is pretending he’s not an oligarch or doesn’t have a shady past.
Even the UK MoD has been giving out a bit of misinformation themselves. I remember them saying Melitopol wasn't captured, but there were clear videos of the Russian flag being put on the police station and loads of Russian guards walking the streets.
That said, we have to bear in mind that both sides of the story might be true at that time:
1) Snake Island may have been shelled to shit by Russian warship but that doesn't mean the guards all died. We just assumed they were.
2) Capturing a police station =/= capturing the whole city
That said, we have to bear in mind that both sides of the story might be true at that time:
1) Snake Island may have been shelled to shit by Russian warship but that doesn't mean the guards all died. We just assumed they were.
2) Capturing a police station =/= capturing the whole city
Wasn’t the flag picture debunked as an old fake?
Was it? I wasn't aware of that.
Would still mean they would lose their home. And I agree with you, as much reason there is to be critical of RA, one should be able to acknowledge when he does something positive.
Very sceptical that this is nothing more than a PR exercise with the ultimate goal of assuring his ownership of Chelski.
I might be wrong but BBC has been tracking fake/old images and there was one of a bloke on a ladder putting up the flag if that’s the one?
Right now, Russian rubel is becoming joke. Putin has made some big mistakes about his plans cause a lot of troubles to Russia especially economics. In the future, Russian rubel will have a value as much as blank paper. I feel like Russia must uses a lot of gold reserves future.
I’m not sure putting a flag up equals control of a city?
The Russians haven’t gained full control anywhere by all accounts. I don’t think the MoD need to spread misinformation as it’s quite clear.
Probably Putin was blinded by how easy they gained control of Crimea.
Also, most likely no one close to him was honest about the dire state of the Russian army. Probably people could have been to scared to tell him the truth.
Are you not confusing it with Mariupol?
No he doesn't.
Substitute "no one" with "Tory party and Chelski fans" please.