Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

Can they (literally) afford the damage this is doing to their economy though?

I'm not sure he cares. He's just basically threatened to end the world so economic sanctions may be last of his worry.
 
Didn't expect to now follow this through The Athletic now. Feels as if someone is very much trying to launder his reputation.



His jet is in Latvia supposedly. To me the fact that he's in a position to broker anything is an effective admission of his close contact with the Kremlin.

Would love it if he got all his assets in the UK confiscated asap...
 
His jet is in Latvia supposedly. To me the fact that he's in a position to broker anything is an effective admission of his close contact with the Kremlin.

Would love it if he got all his assets in the UK confiscated asap...
I bet he's banking on negotiations being successful because if things get heated after failed negotiations, he's effectively revealed himself to be a close confidant of Putin.
Edit: He's apparently there on Ukraine's side so he's not that close to Putin afterall.
 
His jet is in Latvia supposedly. To me the fact that he's in a position to broker anything is an effective admission of his close contact with the Kremlin.

Would love it if he got all his assets in the UK confiscated asap...
Sure, let's punish someone who is negotiating on behalf or at least request of Ukraine. Wtf is wrong with some people?
 
Indeed, we should be wary of angering the Russian public long term because new leaders might exploit that. Japan under the US umbrella is an interesting case study with regards to helping a country after they've been 'punished'.

Different kettle of fish though Japan, 2 atomic bomb aside they kinda accept the naratives that it saves lifes, and they have been given "face" that their emperor may remain in power (no court etc), and there's not much animosity back then, and IIRC they did pick up quite fast after WW2 I think with the help of everyone economically.

Can't say the same with Russia.

Just saying that what works for Japan back then might not work for Russia this time around
 
I actually think we have in terms of their ground forces. Fat soldiers, old equipment, terrible strategies... :wenger:

We haven't seen their WMDs yet, but we already know what they will do anyway.

In 3 days I don’t think so, Putin didn’t send in the number of forces he could, he thought he could blitz to Kyiv quickly and take it but met resistance he didn’t expect. We have seen no real constant shelling of Kyiv that we could have.
 
Sure, let's punish someone who is negotiating on behalf or at least request of Ukraine. Wtf is wrong with some people?
Think People were making that comment before realizing He's negotiating on behalf of Putin. I was on the same boat but based on what I've read he seems to be the only Russian Oligarch to respond to Ukraine's plea to assist them in the negotiations so, he's definitely a good guy in all this.
 
He has derussified Ukraine. Anyone familiar with the region and history knows that is no small feat.
 
In 3 days I don’t think so, Putin didn’t send in the number of forces he could, he thought he could blitz to Kyiv quickly and take it but met resistance he didn’t expect. We have seen no real constant shelling of Kyiv that we could have.

2/3rds of his military are now bogged down in this.

absolute disaster and a costly one in the pocket too
 
In 3 days I don’t think so, Putin didn’t send in the number of forces he could, he thought he could blitz to Kyiv quickly and take it but met resistance he didn’t expect. We have seen no real constant shelling of Kyiv that we could have.

That would not serve his purpose. He needed to do this clean. If he wanted to shell everything to oblivion, he may as well pull out the thermobaric bombs on Day 1.
 


The economic reasons for the war with Ukraine. TLDR it's about Oil, Gas, Money and probably a canal.
 
Punish? Do some research into how Abramovich acquired his fortune. He's a 100% rock solid cnut.
Sure he is.
Became rich in a very shady way. No one cared.
Financed illegal jewish settlings in the West Bank. No one cared.
Now when he finally seems to be on the right side is when people start calling him out? That's ridiculous.
 
Sure he is.
Became rich in a very shady way. No one cared.
Financed illegal jewish settlings in the West Bank. No one cared.
Now when he finally seems to be on the right side is when people start calling him out? That's ridiculous.
There is no redemption for these oligarchs. People have been calling him out for years ffs
 
Sure, let's punish someone who is negotiating on behalf or at least request of Ukraine. Wtf is wrong with some people?

Well i didn’t know it was a Ukrainian request. Also being asked by and actively helping Ukraine are completely separate things. They wouldn’t ask someone who had no clout with Putin and imagine he’s fostered some sort of ties within Ukraine so is approachable. I obviously wish the Ukrainians infinite success in the peace negotiations, although I think Russia will negotiate in terrible faith (as they have done consistently) sadly.

On Roman, he’s clearly a crook so yeah boot him out along with the rest of the oligarchs. Maybe give them the Bill Browder treatment.
 
Huge amount of propaganda in this war.

Obviously, the Ukrainians are the good guys so we forgive them more easily. But we should still be taking everything coming out of the country with a pinch of salt.
It has got nothing to do with Ukraine. There was a video showing the Ukranian soldiers telling the Russian war ship to f..ck off. Of course there was a chance that these guys were alive. However, how do you know if they are or not, as you can not communicate with them and it is an island that you do not have any access to of whatsoever.
 
Absolutely horrific stuff on Twitter showing the Kharkiv bombings. Dozens of civilians killed. I think that shows where these peace talks are heading unfortunately.

It's indiscriminate bombing of civilian population centres. Starting to wonder how anything can be negotiated at this point without Putin going at the least. Ideally, he should be escorted to The Hague in handcuffs to stand trial for war crimes, but then so should many in recent years who have not.
 
Even if Putin views NATO expansion as a threat (and I actually sympathise with him on this one, but not much), this is a totally diplomatic issue and in no way allows him an excuse to invade a country. Twice.

The man has gone mad. That is the problem.

Whilst I do get his concern, the semantics are off. It's hardly NATO expansionism if a country applies to become a part of the organization. It's not like NATO are trying to twist Ukraine's arm to join them. All actors involved are acting off their own interests and desires.

I think this is an issue with much of the perceived sympathy for Putin here. For Russia to have a sphere of influence in Europe, it means actively making countries to act against the will of their people/through dodgy governments. NATO/EU organizations simply don't "expand" in that way.

Putin might have an issue with it, but it's an irrelevance given that his worldview/interpretation is so off from the reality of the situation. You have to stand up to this.
 
Absolutely horrific stuff on Twitter showing the Kharkiv bombings. Dozens of civilians killed. I think that shows where these peace talks are heading unfortunately.
The butcher is doing what he always wanted to do. Either strip the Ukranians off their nationalidentity or just kill them en masse until they accept the cnut's ruling over them.
 
Totally never said that, but go off. I don't at all agree with the invasion. All i'm saying is that Putin has a legitimate reason to be aggrieved (I understand better the complexity around the issue now) not that he is justified in his disproportionate escalation and nuclear threats. The west was never going roll back the expansion to pre 1997 levels but maybe some truce could have been made on Ukraine if negotiations could have been allowed to continue before he decided to go full madman Putler mode.
Apologies if I took your words out of context. My annoyance was that you stated initially that he had a genuine security concern and that anyone dismissing it was disingenuous. And that you could understand his perspective, which for me was a little bit of straddling the line of "he's got a good reason for what he's doing". So I got that wrong.

But for me even after watching that video (I saw it live at the time), pairing it with all the other reasons that are being put forward in Russian Media + by Putin/his staff, I don't understand his perspective. I don't sympathize with it or find any logic in it (not saying you do). I find it rather baffling that anyone does as it doesn't add up to a 'understandable' perspective for me.
 
It's indiscriminate bombing of civilian population centres. Starting to wonder how anything can be negotiated at this point without Putin going at the least. Ideally, he should be escorted to The Hague in handcuffs to stand trial for war crimes, but then so should many in recent years who have not.
He’s all in unfortunately. Only way this ends quickly is if he’s overthrown internally.
 
It has got nothing to do with Ukraine. There was a video showing the Ukranian soldiers telling the Russian war ship to f..ck off. Of course there was a chance that these guys were alive. However, how do you know if they are or not, as you can not communicate with them and it is an island that you do not have any access to of whatsoever.
Zelenskyy himself talked about it. According to Wikipedia, he's the President of Ukraine.

"All the border guard guards died heroically defending our Snake Island. They didn't give in," he said on Thursday evening, Ukrainian outlet Pravda reported. "Each of them will be be awarded the Hero of Ukraine medal posthumously."

https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-snake-island-soldiers-russia-confronttion-killed-audio-1682562
 
He’s all in unfortunately. Only way this ends quickly is if he’s overthrown internally.
When civilians start dying en masse powerful armies will intervene. Noone is going to let a country be erased. This time around an overwhelming majority of states are on one side.