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The majority of people actually would survive the first strike. For a few days at least until they die from radiation.

Humanity would survive though, but most of us not, you are right.
South America, Africa, SE Asia and Australia & surrounding probably wouldn't be too affected initially by a northern hemisphere only nuclear exchange. Would then be left to figure out the long-term effects, but that's still well over a billion people.
 
It does nobody any good discussing or joking about these things tbh


Think its maybe a good idea for some of us to go get lost in Elden Ring for the weekend :) I'm very tempted
I am not joking. I am genuinely curious as to the radius of these things and how risky my current location is/how futile driving 100 miles further away to my in laws holiday home would be should things escalate further.
 


I can not confirm this, as with much other stuff, but there has been a many reports about Russian soldiers dressing as civilians.
 
UN Security Council resolution draft text published
The draft text of a UN Security Council resolution has been published.

A vote is expected in the next 30 minutes or so.

The text condemns "the 23 February 2022 declaration by the President of the Russian Federation of a 'special military operation' in Ukraine.

It also: "Decides that the Russian Federation shall immediately cease its use of force against Ukraine and shall refrain from any further unlawful threat or use of force against any UN member state."

The resolution will not pass, as Russia has a veto over the vote.

However, there is interest to see how China votes - whether it votes alongside Russia or abstains.


fecking hell. Russia has to be booted out of the UN council by now?! They can't be taken seriously on anything that involves world security ever.

What difference would it make?
 
For some I guess. You’d need a good reason, though. You can’t just choose a different path.

I see they actually abolished it in 2012, because they were calling in so few anyway. If you're a guy I'm surprised you got called up against your will. In recent years there's actually competition to get in among boys, rather than having to dodge it in some way. It's more common that girls get called up against their will.
 
There are rumours that he’s on his way that’s the scary bit.

With all respect to you (and I have enjoyed your comments in this thread) I feel like you're ruminating on the worst case scenarios and hype, and maybe not listening to reason?

Don't forget mate, Russia has been threatening us with nuclear weapons for more than half a century, it's part of their playbook. I'm not just talking about in the 60s and 70s, but as recently as 2008 they threatened Poland with a nuclear attack over NATO matters, this wasn't the first time and it won't be he last.

I recently watched the docudrama 'Chernobyl' - this will seem off topic for a moment, but bear with me. In one scene, Gorbachev tells his ministers that "our power comes from the perception of our power" - now I've no idea whether or not he actually said that, but regardless, it's absolutely true. Strongman bluster, nuclear sabre rattling, powerful arms projection - it's always been part of Russia's games on the international stage. The only difference is that right now the rhetoric has been cranked up to 100 because Putin is under the international spotlight.

Never forget the facts - 1) NATO is not getting involved in Ukraine. 2) Bluster aside, Putin is no closer to starting a war with the rest of Europe that he can't win, 3) Even if those health rumours are true (and we've no reason to believe they are because Ukraine has been an ongoing point of contention for nearly a decade) would he want his legacy to be the leader that caused the utter defeat of his country and possibly destruction the world? It's really, really, not going to happen.
 
I am not joking. I am genuinely curious as to the radius of these things and how risky my current location is/how futile driving 100 miles further away to my in laws holiday home would be should things escalate further.
Realistically, you need to figure out if there are military targets of value around you and anywhere you're considering going. Big bases are the most obvious, but other critical command & control structures would also be targeted. North Dakota for example seems pretty isolated, but as home to a lot of the US ICBMs, those areas would be actually some of the most targeted.
 
I am not joking. I am genuinely curious as to the radius of these things and how risky my current location is/how futile driving 100 miles further away to my in laws holiday home would be should things escalate further.

Your not at risk, we are going to see a lot of sabre-rattling by Putin and his cronies over the next few weeks about his big dick nukes.

I'm personally not interested in aiding his fearmongering.
 
Nah, he has just gone full Nixon with this mad persona. People forget that he (and the people under him) have a lot to lose too. By a lot, I mean their comfortable lives, their families, and all their money.
The people under him, yes. For Putin himself, I doubt he cares. He's a former KGB spy. Chances are he's thrown 'worrying about what he has to lose' out the window a long time ago.
 
If he has lost his marbles then what’s stopping him turning europe into a car park? He fecking hates the West and I could totally see him thinking that the Russians have lost 27 million people so they’d survive with similar numbers of dead again. I mean how can anyone predict anything at this point? Feck.
Pull yourself together man!!
 
The people under him, yes. For Putin himself, I doubt he cares. He's a former KGB spy. Chances are he's thrown 'worrying about what he has to lose' out the window a long time ago.
He's one of the most powerful people in the world, one of the richest, and has a family. Maybe he doesn't care but my guess is that he is just flexing muscle.

If the goal was always annihilation of the West (and Russia), he could have done it 20 years ago to be fair.
 
I am not joking. I am genuinely curious as to the radius of these things and how risky my current location is/how futile driving 100 miles further away to my in laws holiday home would be should things escalate further.
Everything within three dozen miles of the impact was vaporized, but severe damage extended to 150 miles radius - biggest nuke explosion ever. Tsar Bomba.
 
I am not joking. I am genuinely curious as to the radius of these things and how risky my current location is/how futile driving 100 miles further away to my in laws holiday home would be should things escalate further.

Look, like I said before nuclear weapons just won't be involved here. If you're worried about your location, checkout www.nukemap.com
 
No offense taken. I blame the language barrier if enrolled is the wrong term when used in the context of mandatory service. Which I’m not against by the way. I didn’t hate it when I was in my mandatory year, and I don’t hate it now that I’m training 5-6 days a year. I’m just not an “army guy”, and totally not ready for war. At all. I understand I have to defend my country when called upon, but I’m scared as feck just thinking about it. And it surprises me how many in here seem not so scared (though I believe they would be if they thought it was even a tiny chance they have to fight themselves, not just call for everybody else to fight for them).
Tell me about it. I'm in HV (very far north in Norway) in a radio relay unit, and one of the first things you do in a war is try to take out enemy communications. So if Putin were to start shit with us, I'm fairly sure I'd be fecked within a couple of days.
 
With all respect to you (and I have enjoyed your comments in this thread) I feel like you're ruminating on the worst case scenarios and hype, and maybe not listening to reason?

Don't forget mate, Russia has been threatening us with nuclear weapons for more than half a century, it's part of their playbook. I'm not just talking about in the 60s and 70s, but as recently as 2008 they threatened Poland with a nuclear attack over NATO matters, this wasn't the first time and it won't be he last.

I recently watched the docudrama 'Chernobyl' - this will seem off topic for a moment, but bear with me. In one scene, Gorbachev tells his ministers that "our power comes from the perception of our power" - now I've no idea whether or not he actually said that, but regardless, it's absolutely true. Strongman bluster, nuclear sabre rattling, powerful arms projection - it's always been part of Russia's games on the international stage. The only difference is that right now the rhetoric has been cranked up to 100 because Putin is under the international spotlight.

Never forget the facts - 1) NATO is not getting involved in Ukraine. 2) Bluster aside, Putin is no closer to starting a war with the rest of Europe that he can't win, 3) Even if those health rumours are true (and we've no reason to believe they are because Ukraine has been an ongoing point of contention for nearly a decade) would he want his legacy to be the leader that caused the utter defeat of his country and possibly destruction the world? It's really, really, not going to happen.
Good Post droid.

I genuinely hope you are right, but I suspect Nato will get sucked in, in some way. For me, the attacks on ships are a concern, almost like Russia are goading.
 
The people under him, yes. For Putin himself, I doubt he cares. He's a former KGB spy. Chances are he's thrown 'worrying about what he has to lose' out the window a long time ago.


Just watched his interview which he gave half a year ago.

He is not mad or insane, just an evil powerful dictator. As long as NATO does not directly hit his forces, I do not think that the rest of the world will suffer.

I am sorry for Ukraine though, every scenario for them starts with they are fecked, and it gets worse from there.
 
Thanks lads, I’ll be bear the cost myself unless it will really come to it I won’t be asking anything from you.
 
I have to say this. Whatever you think of your government, the absolutely massive support from the Western population has been very admirable.

From embassy protests to setting up donation funds, you name it. It's good to see populations so united. It's important.
 
I'm not even going to pretend I know enough about what the best options are.

But I do know that it doesn't feel good to be sat here comfortably in Western Europe as the Russians advance on Ukraine and we do very little to help the poor souls.

It seems to be a statement of faith in Putin not being willing to go any further in his advances beyond Ukraine. Let's leave them to to it with only a few sanctions to help (knowing full well this can only delay the inevitable) and then deal with the aftermath.

The problem in this logic is that they probably didn't expect Putin to do this until relatively recently. So you are playing a very dicey game of Russian roulette in trusting the way of things to the decision making of this man.
 
It does nobody any good discussing or joking about these things tbh


Think its maybe a good idea for some of us to go get lost in Elden Ring for the weekend :) I'm very tempted
With all respect to you (and I have enjoyed your comments in this thread) I feel like you're ruminating on the worst case scenarios and hype, and maybe not listening to reason?

Don't forget mate, Russia has been threatening us with nuclear weapons for more than half a century, it's part of their playbook. I'm not just talking about in the 60s and 70s, but as recently as 2008 they threatened Poland with a nuclear attack over NATO matters, this wasn't the first time and it won't be he last.

I recently watched the docudrama 'Chernobyl' - this will seem off topic for a moment, but bear with me. In one scene, Gorbachev tells his ministers that "our power comes from the perception of our power" - now I've no idea whether or not he actually said that, but regardless, it's absolutely true. Strongman bluster, nuclear sabre rattling, powerful arms projection - it's always been part of Russia's games on the international stage. The only difference is that right now the rhetoric has been cranked up to 100 because Putin is under the international spotlight.

Never forget the facts - 1) NATO is not getting involved in Ukraine. 2) Bluster aside, Putin is no closer to starting a war with the rest of Europe that he can't win, 3) Even if those health rumours are true (and we've no reason to believe they are because Ukraine has been an ongoing point of contention for nearly a decade) would he want his legacy to be the leader that caused the utter defeat of his country and possibly destruction the world? It's really, really, not going to happen.
Pull yourself together man!!
Yes lads. I think it’s time for me to log off for a while.