Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

LARulz said:
With the West still wondering exactly what they can do now it's happened. Saw a former
German ambassador on Sky News say that the German government now has to rethink it's entire policy and are still in shock it happened

Putin was willing to lose a lot for a "quick" takeover. The more drawn out the worse it would be for him as he would have massive reputational damage amongst his supporters. But equally would make the West look bad if it was drawn out over weeks/months and no intervention or escalation because they'd already done it all with sanctions - so would just be them watching a few untrained Ukranian soldiers having a go with the West's weapons

This is a shit situation. I asked earlier but nobody responded (may have been buried as a lot is happening) but what happens next? Sanctions clearly won't stop Putin, do the West just watch and hope he doesn't go further?
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Sanctions take time to take affect (watched a lot of tv yesterday as I didn’t quite understand how they work), so over time they will have an impact on Russia.

that being said, do we just let Russia invade another country and take it over without handing it back?

to the latter part, I hope itdoesn’t go further as we all know what that means
 
Classical Mechanic said:
So NATO should just leave those Eastern European states to fall prey to a despot like Putin again? It was their own self-determination that led them to join NATO, a legacy of Russia's brutal Soviet Empire.
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No. NATO should incorporate them immediately - if they want to join. And defend them if needs be. Not pussy footing around and then leave the country to fend for itself.
 
NATO can't do anything here so they are not toothless. US and EU are definitely toothless though but it has been confirmed long time ago.
 
red4ever 79 said:
You see if NATO had balls and really wanted to rid the world of Putin, now would be the time to do it. As Putin is occupied with moving

I dont mean on this site . God people take eveything so literally these days.
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Maybe take a step back and a couple of deep breaths
 
Schmiznurf said:
Not sure if this was posted, but the defiance in the face of death was highly commendable.

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I struggle with this. I feel like there was no point having 13 border guards on that island when an invasion was imminent. Ukraine should have brought them back to the mainland and join defensive operations.

Just horror all around.
 
WPMUFC said:
WOW!!!

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Which is a bad joke on two fronts. We spent between 30 and 40 billion every year on our military, that's not nothing. We probably have to increase that spending, but there is really no excuse to be in this state with a budget like that, absolute none, I have no idea where the money goes but apparently not into the equipment of the soldiers, so questions have to be asked what our military spends their money on, absolute travesty.
 
NoLogo said:
Which is a bad joke on two fronts. We spent between 30 and 40 billion every year on our military, that's not nothing. We probably have to increase that spending, but there is really no excuse to be in this state with a budget like that, absolute none, I have no idea where the money goes but apparently not into the equipment of the soldiers, so questions have to be asked what our military spends their money on, absolute travesty.
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Aren't we paying a fortune to an army of advisers?
 
dove said:
NATO can't do anything here so they are not toothless. US and EU are definitely toothless though but it has been confirmed long time ago.
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Absolutely this, Boris and Biden bumbling idiots and don't get me started on France, Germany and Italy.
 
VorZakone said:
I struggle with this. I feel like there was no point having 13 border guards on that island when an invasion was imminent. Ukraine should have brought them back to the mainland and join defensive operations.

Just horror all around.
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Wonder if it was too late to pull them back by the time it kicked off.
 
Are the Germans and Italians going to agree to the SWIFT sanctions or not?

This is going to impact everyone but they need to get with the program and stay consistent with the rest of Europe and the US.
 
red4ever 79 said:
You see if NATO had balls and really wanted to rid the world of Putin, now would be the time to do it. As Putin is occupied with moving

I dont mean on this site . God people take eveything so literally these days.
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That's every bit as idiotic as the opinion you're telling people to get fecked over.
 
IWat said:
Completely rational in my opinion. They know they can do something, knew what the consequences would have and have mitigated them to the extent they can, and now they're doing it.
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That’s just like saying Hitler was rational.
 


This is fascinating to watch. I'm pretty sure I've seen the same military vehicles drive back and fourth twice now. Almost feels like they are pulling the old military parade trick of flying the same plane multiple times. (I know they're not, but this certainly isn't a one direction blitz as some would have you believe).

Edit: Well feck now the Russians noticed the camera.
 
Lots of reports breaking that Russian saboteurs in Kyiv have been subdued. It wasn’t the front line.



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TheReligion said:
They have some rolling military tactics where they take as much ground as possible, reinforce and plough on.

The key is being able to hold and consolidate of course but they will make quick advances due to this tactic.
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Yep it's a military doctrine called deep battle. Unlike traditional blitzkrieg, where you have one major attack to pierce the opponent's defenses, in deep battle you start by making a lot of small attacks along the entire front, you then find the weak point and then devote a ton of fresh reserves to exploit that weakness.
 
Abizzz said:


This is fascinating to watch. I'm pretty sure I've seen the same military vehicles drive back and fourth twice now. Almost feels like they are pulling the old military parade trick of flying the same plane multiple times. (I know they're not, but this certainly isn't a one direction blitz as some would have you believe).

Edit: Well feck now the Russians noticed the camera.
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They just pointed the camera down to the floor!!! :lol: :lol:
 
So will Russia actually claim any new territory after this? (Like everything east the Dnieper River? Or will they not stop there?) Or are they just going to instill a puppet regime in Ukraine?

Thing is I always look at Russia on a map and think to myself, "that country just isn't big enough..."
 
Smithy89 said:
Absolutely this, Boris and Biden bumbling idiots and don't get me started on France, Germany and Italy.
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Yea. I think UK, EU and US (with some other countries potentially joining too) definitely have the power to basically kill Russia economically, if we really wanted to. We would of course have to take a hit also but we are supposed to be some of the strongest countries in the world, surely we can overcome that together. A complete isolation of Russia is the only thing that can stop them and prevent something that will cost even more money inevitably.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
So will Russia actually claim any new territory after this? (Like everything east the Dnieper River? Or will they not stop there?) Or are they just going to instill a puppet regime in Ukraine?

Thing is I always look at Russia on a map and think to myself, "that country just isn't big enough..."
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Rumours about Russia wanting to split Ukraine into 2 halves and control 1 of them with a puppet regime. But not letting it formally join Russia.
 
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