Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

[Paxi]

 

[Spoony]

Could be the lack of money.

Could also be the 4000 nukes. Difficult to judge really.

China, Russia, Turkey, Pakistan seems to be the new block. Putin is flexing his muscles and I suspect the US doesn't have a stomach for a fight especially against Mother Russia.

 

[Paxi]

 

[Shakesy]

China being cnuts again, che surprise.

Supposing Russia sees NATO as a threat. Supposing NATO knows this. Is China that far off the mark? Should Ukraine's desire to join NATO not have been dismissed out of hand? Would Russia be invading Ukraine if it was? I'm just playing devil's advocate here.

 

[WPMUFC]

Ukrainian assessment was 800 Russian casualties. So Ukraine likely inflicted between 400-800 Russian deaths.

 

[Revan]

China, Russia, Turkey, Pakistan seems to be the new block. Putin is flexing his muscles and I suspect the US doesn't have a stomach for a fight especially against Mother Russia.

Turkey has relations with countries in that block, but it is still more aligned to the West.

 

[Paxi]

 

[sun_tzu]

Ukrainian assessment was 800 Russian casualties. So Ukraine likely inflicted between 400-800 Russian deaths.

But also

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BREAKINGRussian forces are in Kiev - Ukraine officials
Russian operatives are now in Kyiv, Ukraine officials have confirmed in a tweet.

From BBC live feed

So how long till the Russian flag is waving over the capital?... A day?

 

[Paxi]

 

[FootyGirl88]

 

[stevoc]

As I said yesterday, Putin is the poker player who goes All-In every round, and the stakes are too high for anyone to call him, so he gets away with it.

If NATO sent troops to Ukraine, and publicly confirmed that they would be contained to defending Ukraine and not pushing into Russia, there would be no cause for escalation or nuclear war. I do not believe Putin is mad enough to do so unless there are foreign troops marching on Moscow and he has no other choice.

We cannot all just live in fear of Russian nukes should we lift a finger to anything he does. That is simply the scenario Putin wants and the one he has created. At some point or other, he is going to need to be tested, and I do not think he has such overwhelming home support that he could actually go through with it.

Wouldn't that move have basically played into Putin's rants about NATO being an Anti-Russian organization with designs on expansion towards Russia though?

I don't see how the major NATO members justify putting boots on the ground in a non NATO country when the organization is held up as a defensive alliance, not to mention the risk that Russia attacks anyway and it spirals out of control very quickly into a global conflict and destabilizing the entire region. As shit as this entire situation is I think NATO powers are doing the responsible thing for world peace in general by only using economic sanctions against Russia and supplying weapons to Ukraine without getting involved directly.

 

[Paxi]

 

[sport2793]

China, Russia, Turkey, Pakistan seems to be the new block. Putin is flexing his muscles and I suspect the US doesn't have a stomach for a fight especially against Mother Russia.

I wouldn't include Turkey in that w/r/t Russia, Erdogan is shitting his pants about Putin, his actions during the crisis have been telling.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

Supposing Russia sees NATO as a threat. Supposing NATO knows this. Is China that far off the mark? Should Ukraine's desire to join NATO not have been dismissed out of hand? Would Russia be invading Ukraine if it was? I'm just playing devil's advocate here.

NATO is no threat to Russia, only it's imperial ambitions. If former Soviet countries that were brutalised by Russia want to join NATO for protection from their former oppressors - and it tempers Russia's imperial ambitions, why would NATO members feel conflicted about that?

 

[Sky1981]

Ukrainian assessment was 800 Russian casualties. So Ukraine likely inflicted between 400-800 Russian deaths.

I hate to say it, but they're closing in on Kiev in 24 hours, that's commendable even for Russia

 

[Nou_Camp99]

Putin apparently has more tanks in Europe than the rest of us put together. This isn't a war we can win. He's got some 13,000 tanks at his disposal some sources are saying. The UK has about 2,000 by comparison for example and we are one of the next highest.

If he wants to take Ukraine he will do. They can't stop him sadly.

 

[Abizzz]

I hate to say it, but they're closing in on Kiev in 24 hours, that's commendable even for Russia

They already had paratroopers there yesterday and lost. Them being somewhere "In Kiev" doesn't equate to having taken it.

 

[red4ever 79]

Ukranian government reporting signs of increased radiation at the Chernobyl site

 

[Paxi]

Embarrassing for Putin.

 

[Eendracht maakt macht]

NATO is no threat to Russia, only it's imperial ambitions. If former Soviet countries that were brutalised by Russia want to join NATO for protection from their former oppressors - and it tempers Russia's imperial ambitions, why would NATO members feel conflicted about that?

This x100

 

[Sarni]

Putin apparently has more tanks in Europe than the rest of us put together. This isn't a war we can win. He's got some 13,000 tanks at his disposal some sources are saying. The UK has about 2,000 by comparison for example and we are one of the next highest.

If he wants to take Ukraine he will do. They can't stop him sadly.

It's one thing winning this war which given the resources he has. Controlling the area after that may be beyond Russia's capabilities though.

 

[Paxi]

Ukranian government reporting signs of increased radiation at the Chernobyl site

Yes likely from significant movement in the area and nothing more. Increased radiation is minimal.

 

[Sarni]

NATO is no threat to Russia, only it's imperial ambitions. If former Soviet countries that were brutalised by Russia want to join NATO for protection from their former oppressors - and it tempers Russia's imperial ambitions, why would NATO members feel conflicted about that?

Yeah the idea that NATO's purpose is to invade Russia is wrong. Actually the only chance of anyone ever doing anything to Russia is if they do something dumb like this before.

 

[Sky1981]

China, Russia, Turkey, Pakistan seems to be the new block. Putin is flexing his muscles and I suspect the US doesn't have a stomach for a fight especially against Mother Russia.

The African continent some of them would bound to stay closer to China, with SEA going westbound.

Hard to take the west seriously for protection if they're not even defending Ukraine.

 

[Paxi]

 

[Superden]

Gazprom shares are up substantially from their intra day lows yday, markets here and crypto are rising....Russian flags over Kiev expected soon enough. As always its all about the bills over blood.

 

[Shakesy]

NATO is no threat to Russia, only it's imperial ambitions. If former Soviet countries that were brutalised by Russia want to join NATO for protection from their former oppressors - and it tempers Russia's imperial ambitions, why would NATO members feel conflicted about that?

NATO is clearly a defensive alliance. But Putin doesn't think so. That's no secret. So, when NATO was approached by Ukraine, they should have known it would upset Putin and destabilize the region.

 

[Ekkie Thump]

I hate to say it, but they're closing in on Kiev in 24 hours, that's commendable even for Russia

You don't hate to say it though. There was no reason for you to say it. Conclusion: You like to say it.

 

[FireballXL5]

Who could blame any former Soviet state for wanting to be in NATO as we watch this clusterfeck unfold?

 

[Paxi]

 

[Sky1981]

You don't hate to say it though. There was no reason for you to say it. Conclusion: You like to say it.

Eh....? Seriously?

 

[Paxi]

 

[sport2793]

Putin apparently has more tanks in Europe than the rest of us put together. This isn't a war we can win. He's got some 13,000 tanks at his disposal some sources are saying. The UK has about 2,000 by comparison for example and we are one of the next highest.

If he wants to take Ukraine he will do. They can't stop him sadly.

Those tanks are only effective if he has air superiority, which he wouldn't have in a protracted conflict. Plus, many of those tanks are very outdated.

 

[TMDaines]

Bit scared now. Last night seemed not too bad. This morning it seems there will be ground fighting in the outskirts of Kiev.

 

[Ekkie Thump]

Eh....? Seriously?

Yup seriously.

 

[Shakesy]

Eh....? Seriously?

I think he just wanted to come to some sort of conclusion. I hope it's over now.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

NATO is clearly a defensive alliance. But Putin doesn't think so. That's no secret. So, when NATO was approached by Ukraine, they should have known it would upset Putin and destabilize the region.

Sorry but Putin knows full well that NATO is never going to invade Russia because they can destroy every NATO country with their nuclear arsenal. He's upset because Russia's former imperial holdings have joined it. He fears those countries becoming prosperous and functioning democracies whilst Russia remains an oppressive economic basket case under his rule.

 

[sport2793]

Bit scared now. Last night seemed not too bad. This morning it seems there will be ground fighting in the outskirts of Kiev.

We all will have to come to terms that Russia will indeed win the first part of this conflict as it involves conventional warfare. Ukraine's best chance to inflict real damage was always going to be via an effective insurgency.

 

[VeevaVee]

That sounds like a guaranteed way to be killed

 

[We need an rvn]

Ukranian government reporting signs of increased radiation at the Chernobyl site

Without wanting to sound ignorant, how is that possible given it’s inactive, plus why would Russia do that to its own soldiers seeing as they have control of it?