Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

Ugh, picture doing the rounds of a girl, or what’s left of her, sat on a park bench in Kharkiv, might just be the most horrific thing I’ve seen, and I thought I’d seen it all.
Not going to google it but the recent attack had some truly horrifying photos. Like the shot of a guy who jumped out of the burning apartment building (he didn’t survive), it very much reminded me of 9/11 :(
 
Ugh, picture doing the rounds of a girl, or what’s left of her, sat on a park bench in Kharkiv, might just be the most horrific thing I’ve seen, and I thought I’d seen it all.

Why do you seek out those photos if they bother you that much (which they should), or else why are you spending time on platforms where those kinds of photos reliably show up?
 
Why do you seek out those photos if they bother you that much (which they should), or else why are you spending time on platforms where those kinds of photos reliably show up?
I'll never understand this kind of morbid curiosity and then the nerves to whine about its consequences.
 
Why do you seek out those photos if they bother you that much (which they should), or else why are you spending time on platforms where those kinds of photos reliably show up?
I'll never understand this kind of morbid curiosity and then the nerves to whine about its consequences.

Huh? I’m not whining about seeing an image, I am a bit annoyed about a 14 year old girl chilling out enjoying a nice day at the local park and suddenly being decapitated. If that’s alright with you.

The consequences of Putins war should be seen. If it were up to me I’d put it on the front page of every newspaper in the world. This one in particular would stir a much needed emotional reaction.
 
Putin will visit Mongolia on September the 3rd. Everyone knows he won't be arrested on ICC charges.

Mongolia, as a member of the ICC and a signatory of the Rome Statute, is supposed to honor ICC’s arrest warrants. But it is unlikely that Putin will get arrested in Mongolian territory, as Mongolia continues to depend heavily on Russian energy.

In an ideal world, ICC member countries are obliged to detain a court suspect under the Rome Statute; however, the court itself has no enforcement mechanism over sovereign states. It is up to the states whether they want to cooperate with the ICC. The infamous case of Sudanese dictator Omar Al-Bashir’s visit to South Africa in 2015 sparked anger and debate as South Africa, an ICC member country, failed to fulfill its obligation to the international community.
https://thediplomat.com/2024/08/why-mongolia-wont-arrest-vladimir-putin/
 
Despite all the talk of the US preventing UA from hitting long range targets within Russia, it continues to happen on an almost daily basis with their own kit. Its one of those weird topics we more than likely don't know the full story about. I hope at least the US is aiding Ukraine with their domestic capabilities...

Getting close to Moscow again last night. Russians claim "158 drones shot down". At least three key targets hit including Kaputnya Oil Refinery, pretty much inside the city of Moscow, 10 miles from the Kremlin. Then it looks like two power plants and there's a gas pipeline burning.

There's dozens of different video clips of these, with it being a big slow ass drone over a busy area. Only small arms fire as AD for these targets apparently? The main units had been saturated at this point perhaps.

 
They declined to provide estimates of the type and scope of the deliveries or a timeline, though one of the officials said shipments could begin within a matter of days. Ballistic missiles typically fly much faster than cruise missiles or drones — and can carry larger payloads.

 

Hard to blame Mongolia when a certified, genocidal war criminal gets the red carpet rolled out and cheered on, while taking a massive dump on US citizens at the Congress.
 
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Hard to blame Mongolia when a certified genocidal war criminal gets the red carpet rolled out and cheered on while taking a massive dump on US citizens at the Congress.
Dunno, I find it pretty easy to condemn both at the same time. It's not a competition where only the top spot wins a prize.
 
Dunno, I find it pretty easy to condemn both at the same time. It's not a competition where only the top spot wins a prize.
You're absolutely right, no question about it.

Just pointing out how double standards work.
 
Hard to blame Mongolia when a certified genocidal war criminal gets the red carpet rolled out and cheered on while taking a massive dump on US citizens at the Congress.

Its more so a case of the ICC being powerless against larger states, since there's no enforcement mechanism. It also underscores how international institutions are generally set up to benefit the superpowers and their allies, which is in contrast to the facade that they exist as if all countries are somehow equal.
 
Its more so a case of the ICC being powerless against larger states, since there's no enforcement mechanism. It also underscores how international institutions are generally set up to benefit the superpowers and their allies, which is in contrast to the facade that they exist as if all countries are somehow equal.
Absolutely.

I'd say now would reaaaally be time for a major rethinking about how international institutions work as their limits have been so badly exposed, but who am I kidding.

I personally think that we're witnessing once again another complete delisquescence of any semblance of international law. Jungle rule is blatantly taking over without any pretense and a big, cheering "feck you" to anyone wielding the shorter stick. Everyone for themselves and after me, the flood.
 
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Hard to blame Mongolia when a certified, genocidal war criminal gets the red carpet rolled out and cheered on, while taking a massive dump on US citizens at the Congress.
At least mongolia have a good excuse. The US are just pathetic.
 
Huge missile attack on Lviv. Seems Russians are ready for peace talks, yet evil Ukrainians are not willing to.
 
For example, after the March 22, 2024, terrorist attack on a music venue in Moscow, Afanasyeva asked one of U.S. Company-1’s founders to blame Ukraine and the United States for the attack, writing: “I think we can focus on the Ukraine/U.S. angle. . . . [T]he mainstream media spread fake news that ISIS claimed responsibility for the attack yet ISIS itself never made such statements.

All terrorists are now detained while they were heading to the border with Ukraine which makes it even more suspicious why they would want to go to Ukraine to hide.”

 
All in all was that operation a success, a blunder or something 3rd?

Russians are advancing in Donetsk oblast, not rapidly but they are, so maybe the forces which are now in Kursk could have been used there instead.
 
All in all was that operation a success, a blunder or something 3rd?

Russians are advancing in Donetsk oblast, not rapidly but they are, so maybe the forces which are now in Kursk could have been used there instead.
I'd say it was a success so far, but final judgement can only be done after the end of it - as a lot depends on how well Ukraine can retreat if Russia applies full force to finally throw them out.

But for now, let's look at what happened on a tactical level:
  • so far Ukraine seems to have a quite good loss ratio compared to Russia there, despite being the attacker
  • Russia had to divert troops from other fronts (or to be more precise, from behind other fronts). Apparently Russia's advances towards Prokovsk are stalling now, so that might be a (late) result of the Kursk operation
  • they increased pressure on Russian logistics by taking a rail line along the border
    • additional point to this: the continuous attacks on refineries near the border increase that as well, as Russia has to transport oil products/fuel from further inside the country towards the front

And what happened strategically:
  • Ukraine has invaded Russia and nothing seriously happened. They strategically proved that Russia has no response in case it's "red lines" are broken.
  • They proved that they still can take the initiative after some months in which it felt more or less inevitable that Russia would just advance and couldn't be stopped
  • They created quite a problem for Russia internally. Russia still isn't at war. They are still doing a "special military operation" in Ukraine and a "anti terror operation" in Kursk. That somewhat limits what Russia can do, and if they now declare war it would be due to weakness (because Ukraine invaded), not due to strength. Projecting strength is how Putin keeps the people in line and this makes it difficult.
 
Thanks for that, good analysis. :+1:

Yeah, good point is Ukrainians brought the war to Russians like that, so that common Russians realize whats going on if they havent already.
 
All in all was that operation a success, a blunder or something 3rd?

Russians are advancing in Donetsk oblast, not rapidly but they are, so maybe the forces which are now in Kursk could have been used there instead.

Some russians, Igor Girkin e.g., seem to think Kursk is a smoke screen for main push south later this month. If it is, it's too early to tell, otherwise, I'd say success informational warfare wise, not so much militarily.
 
Five Russian GRU Officers and One Civilian Charged for Conspiring to Hack Ukrainian Government
The indictment alleges that these GRU hackers and their co-conspirator engaged in a conspiracy to hack into, exfiltrate data from, leak information obtained from and destroy computer systems associated with the Ukrainian Government in advance of the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

The defendants did so in order to sow concern among Ukrainian citizens regarding the safety of their government systems and personal data.

The defendants’ targets included Ukrainian Government systems and data with no military or defense-related roles. Later targets included computer systems in countries around the world that were providing support to Ukraine, including the United States and 25 other North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) countries.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/five...-charged-conspiring-hack-ukrainian-government
 
I'm still convinced the Russian advance toward Pokrovsk is all by Ukrainian design. It appears they've now gone as far as they were allowed to. Let the massacre commence...
 
I'm still convinced the Russian advance toward Pokrovsk is all by Ukrainian design. It appears they've now gone as far as they were allowed to. Let the massacre commence...
You are, as usual, absolutely delusional. I suppose the hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians in and around Pokrovsk having their lives torn apart are in on this latest Zelenskiy-Syrsky masterplan to lure in the Russians? I guess the people in this article are crisis actors:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/01/world/europe/ukraine-russia-evacuation-pokrovsk.html

The advance has slowed because it's reached the final and most fortified line of defence (prepare for about 2 months of #PokrovskHolds! on Zelenskiy's social media). No serious analyst has any doubts that the city will fall and that it will be a major strategic loss for Ukraine.

And while you're apparently jacknifed over your keyboard, fist flying, waiting for the "massacre" to "commence", I suggest you think instead about the horror of what is about to take place there for Ukrainian soldiers and civilians. It's not only Russians who are about to be senselessly "massacred". Ukrainians will be too (but who gives a f*ck about that, eh Lindsey Graham? If 100 Ukrainians die killing one Russian, Lindsey Graham considers it a victory).

This war has liberated some profoundly ugly shit in you self-styled "freedom and democracy" folk.

While I'm here, Matt Miller at the State Department reiterated yesterday in the press briefing that the goal now for Ukraine is to do everything they can to convince Putin to come to the negotiation table. The territory that has been lost will never be regained militarily. In other words, we've gone from "There will be no negotiations because Putin can't be trusted! We must fight until total Ukrainian victory" in April 2022 to "We really need to press Putin to negotiate" in 2024. Courtesy of "once-in-a-generation intellect" (words of Hillary Clinton) Jake Sullivan, ladies and gents. An utter, utter moron.

Finally, Boris Johnson has yet again fallen for a Vovan and Lexus prank call.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/boris-johnson-tricked-russian-pranksters-33598444

Among the stuff they got out of him was that in his opinion Zelenskiy would love to go back to February 2022 and accept the deal Russia was offering ("You can't trust Putin!!! Keep fighting, Ukraine!!!" - Boris Johnson). Now, as Johnson says, he doesn't have that option.

I've said it countless times before and I'll be saying it countless times again: these imbecilic sociopaths have sacrificed Ukraine. Johnson, Sullivan, Blinken, Biden (to an extent; I actually hold him least to blame here), Victoria Nuland and her husband Robert Kagan (head of the Institute for the Study of War and author/director of the Project For The New American Century), all of them should burn in hell for stringing Ukraine along like this just to "bleed Russia". Even Phillips O'Brien (pro-war darling of the mainstream media, their go-to for "expert Ukrainian analysis", professional idiot who said the Russian army would collapse by May 2022) is pretending to have had a revelation:



It's a miserable shitshow of a situation and nobody should be edging over yet another impending "massacre" that, sure, will kill lots of Russians (Lindsey Graham's sole war aim), but will also kill lots of Ukrainians and tear apart civilian lives.

Peace negotiations are needed NOW. War porn fetishists masquerading as concerned defenders of democracy can go get their kicks elsewhere for a while.
 
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A customarily intelligent response. You can try and summon the hyenas back together all you like, but I'll repeat to you: do you have even the slightest conception of the horror that is taking place in Donbass right now? Death, destruction and broken lives everywhere the Russian army has gone. On even the most pro-Ukrainian outlets you can find videos of devastated families, villages and towns. And your conclusion is: "this is all a clandestine masterstroke by Zelenskiy".

Imagine a future where people like you are the norm and sane people with a modicum of informed perspective are somehow the object of your ridicule.
 
A customarily intelligent response. You can try and summon the hyenas back together all you like, but I'll repeat to you: do you have even the slightest conception of the horror that is taking place in Donbass right now? Death, destruction and broken lives everywhere the Russian army has gone. On even the most pro-Ukrainian outlets you can find videos of devastated families, villages and towns. And your conclusion is: "this is all a clandestine masterstroke by Zelenskiy".

Imagine a future where people like you are the norm and sane people with a modicum of informed perspective are somehow the object of your ridicule.

So is Ukraine's fault the Donbass is in the state it is...right. The nerve
 
So is Ukraine's fault the Donbass is in the state it is...right. The nerve
They just had to take what Russia offered and is offering. Its all their fault war is going on and poor Russians are being drawn into it, yet all Russians want is peace. And a chunk of Ukraine territory of course.
Damn you Zelenskiy for all the broken families and lost lives!

I think he gets all excited while writing the mighty Russian army.
 
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You are, as usual, absolutely delusional. I suppose the hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians in and around Pokrovsk having their lives torn apart are in on this latest Zelenskiy-Syrsky masterplan to lure in the Russians? I guess the people in this article are crisis actors:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/01/world/europe/ukraine-russia-evacuation-pokrovsk.html

The advance has slowed because it's reached the final and most fortified line of defence (prepare for about 2 months of #PokrovskHolds! on Zelenskiy's social media). No serious analyst has any doubts that the city will fall and that it will be a major strategic loss for Ukraine.

And while you're apparently jacknifed over your keyboard, fist flying, waiting for the "massacre" to "commence", I suggest you think instead about the horror of what is about to take place there for Ukrainian soldiers and civilians. It's not only Russians who are about to be senselessly "massacred". Ukrainians will be too (but who gives a f*ck about that, eh Lindsey Graham? If 100 Ukrainians die killing one Russian, Lindsey Graham considers it a victory).

This war has liberated some profoundly ugly shit in you self-styled "freedom and democracy" folk.

While I'm here, Matt Miller at the State Department reiterated yesterday in the press briefing that the goal now for Ukraine is to do everything they can to convince Putin to come to the negotiation table. The territory that has been lost will never be regained militarily. In other words, we've gone from "There will be no negotiations because Putin can't be trusted! We must fight until total Ukrainian victory" in April 2022 to "We really need to press Putin to negotiate" in 2024. Courtesy of "once-in-a-generation intellect" (words of Hillary Clinton) Jake Sullivan, ladies and gents. An utter, utter moron.

Finally, Boris Johnson has yet again fallen for a Vovan and Lexus prank call.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/boris-johnson-tricked-russian-pranksters-33598444

Among the stuff they got out of him was that in his opinion Zelenskiy would love to go back to February 2022 and accept the deal Russia was offering ("You can't trust Putin!!! Keep fighting, Ukraine!!!" - Boris Johnson). Now, as Johnson says, he doesn't have that option.

I've said it countless times before and I'll be saying it countless times again: these imbecilic sociopaths have sacrificed Ukraine. Johnson, Sullivan, Blinken, Biden (to an extent; I actually hold him least to blame here), Victoria Nuland and her husband Robert Kagan (head of the Institute for the Study of War and author/director of the Project For The New American Century), all of them should burn in hell for stringing Ukraine along like this just to "bleed Russia". Even Phillips O'Brien (pro-war darling of the mainstream media, their go-to for "expert Ukrainian analysis", professional idiot who said the Russian army would collapse by May 2022) is pretending to have had a revelation:



It's a miserable shitshow of a situation and nobody should be edging over yet another impending "massacre" that, sure, will kill lots of Russians (Lindsey Graham's sole war aim), but will also kill lots of Ukrainians and tear apart civilian lives.

Peace negotiations are needed NOW. War porn fetishists masquerading as concerned defenders of democracy can go get their kicks elsewhere for a while.

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How have you come to that conclusion from what he's posted there? Bizarre response.

Im sorry, i guess i quoted his last post but i i took the last bundle of posts that he made when he was talking about war porn, the sociopathy of the west for this war and like they are to blame for what is happening im ukraine and the suffering of the civilian population. Also bundleing his extensive narrative in here.