Is this a joke?
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Is this a joke?
I'd say Russia being able to just Annex a Sovereign country with population of 44 million is already a catastrophe. At the very least this will mean open season on Taiwan. I believe west should've made it absolutely clear that they will come to the aid of Ukraine in case of full scale invasion.
Because of this
What is Russia sorting out on it's doorstep? Where were you when Crime and Abkhazia happened? How on Earth are US making the buck? Slavic "brother" has just attacked his Slavic brother nation. Have you heard Putin's speech?
By the way, I was born in USSR, am native Russian speaker and have absolutely no idea why you think that what Russia is doing can be justified. And please tell me how on Earth I am a hypocrite?
Its a horrible situation, the Russian army is just doing their job, they too want too go home too their families. It’s their leader that needs wacking, that sadly won’t happen, and instead thousands of Russians and Ukrainians will die.
Well if they didn't heed my words, I'll probably already be dead from Russian bombings.
I don't know what choice we have. We have to stop Putin, he's clearly mad, but I can't see a way to do it without a massive cost of life.
Any polls or articles as to how the Russian population feel about this?
I remember reading this article 6 years ago, post Brexit. It's scarily prescient in sentiment if not detail...
https://tswriting.medium.com/histor...ext-with-brexit-trump-a3fefd154714#.wzt9rnppl
https://tswriting.medium.com/histor...ext-with-brexit-trump-a3fefd154714#.wzt9rnppl
With this happening, I guess that Germany and France should shut down their intelligence systems and start doing what they are best: making helmets and being late.
US’ intelligence system has been proven 100% right at everything.
US’ intelligence system has been proven 100% right at everything.
There's a strong chance that Putin isn't entertaining any diplomacy but i do hope there's some back channel diplomacy to just split Ukraine.
Some might argue thats rewarding aggression but if it's going to happen anyway then diplomacy is the better route.
Some might argue thats rewarding aggression but if it's going to happen anyway then diplomacy is the better route.
Absolutely. I've always wondered what it's like to have three arms.
I'm sure Russia Today will report unanimous and enthusiastic support for the Glorious Leader and his Crusade for Justice and Self-Defence among the general public.
Apart from all the times they were wrong, apart from them 100%.
In the last 24 hours maybe.
A month ago?
Putin has been piling forces on the border for quite some time.
Sorry for stating the truth but yes, what legal mechanism does the EU have to supersede bilateral security treaties? The EU is an economic union. If the Baltics, Poland, and Romania want US troops in the 6 figures (and they all seem like they would jump at the opportunity) it will happen. EU is irrelevant when it comes to security concerns, which is why Macron was trying to change that over the last few months. EU is more important when it comes to measures like sanctions.
The doctrine of mutually assured destruction protects a rogue actor from doing some crazy shit. I'm not convinced Russia invading a NATO member would result in all out war. Some might call it weak, but I think the west would recognize the catastrophe that would result in all out war with Russia. The only way for there to be real change in Russia is from within, and it can't be western driven, there has to be a Russian inception to make a profound and lasting change.
They were completely right on everything with regard to Ukraine.
Of course it is already a catastrophe, this will be a horrendous costly un-winable battle for Ukraine.
Because this sovereign country is not a NATO member.
By all means this is “expandable” to western nations.
If they attack a member and they do nothing this means the whole idea behind that union is absolute bollocks and they can’t allow that as they have responsibilities.
It’s about as pointless an exercise as asking how the North Korean people feel about the South.
It should tell you much of what you need to know that Russian media is focussing entirely on Donbas and ignoring the rest of the attacks elsewhere.
Yep this is what I meant.
The EU doesn't have it's own credible military force to protect it's borders, it relies on NATO which is majorly propped up by the US. The US and Russia have beef, the EU gets dragged into it. Having it's own military force would mean not having to pull along with every American idea. Maybe this could have led to better relations with Russia and less hostility?
LETS GOOOOO
It might not result in immediate bombardment with nuclear weapons, but it would result in either collective war or the collapse of NATO. One of the two.
This isn't about the US and EU. It is about NATO forces and they are part of NATO.
Russia invading a NATO member doesn’t mean that the nukes will be flying the day after. It almost surely means a direct conventional war between Russia and the US though. Which likely means early advantages for Russia but in a few months after that, they will be in full retreat.
In meanwhile, there is so many things that can go bad for a nuke or two to fly. And then, all bets are off.
100% right is a stretch. Didn't they say the 16th would be invasion day and then the 22nd? Third time "lucky" I guess.
The Financial Times is presenting a far more conservative map of Russian attacks so far. Ivano-Frankivsk is still included (which still seems batshit, but is presumably an airport of military significance) but a lot of other sites are not marked.
wow that was crazy! Not sure if anyone is listening to OSIC on twitter. They were talking about some Polish activity on the border that they were watching on a border livestream and a few mins after the dicussion, the border livestream went dark. Officials are watching twitter CLOSELY.
Oh absolutely
But I was hoping for some kind of independant Russian pollster or journalistIt likely would have been the 16th with all the false flag operations Russia was doing. Ukraine didn’t respond to provocations so at that stage Russia just said feck it.
It is million miles apart from Germany and France sources who only two weeks before were saying that they see no sign of an invasion.
Does anyone, including the all knowing US intelligence knows - WHAT excatly is Putin's end game here?
Were there any kind of predictions made?
What, he want's Ukraine and that's it?
What the feck does he want with it? Half of it?
He's probably aware that at least the economic sanctions are coming his way? Although that is a question, seeing how the western leaders are fluffing about.
So, i ask again - what is his end game?
Just a show of strenght?
Is he dying soon so he want's to go off with his boots on? What?
Were there any kind of predictions made?
What, he want's Ukraine and that's it?
What the feck does he want with it? Half of it?
He's probably aware that at least the economic sanctions are coming his way? Although that is a question, seeing how the western leaders are fluffing about.
So, i ask again - what is his end game?
Just a show of strenght?
Is he dying soon so he want's to go off with his boots on? What?
There's so much potential for things to go badly wrong in the west of Ukraine with four NATO countries bordering Ukraine. All it takes is one accident or misguided provocation and we're in a different world.
I think part of the US strategy was that by announcing their intelligence, there was a small chance it could delay or even stop Putin from actually going through with it. It is possible it would have been the 16th if the US kept quiet about what they knew.
I imagine installation of a puppet government in Ukraine and turning it into an effective client state for Russia. Trying to create another Belarus, basically. Ukraine isn't Belarus though.
If a warmonger pact like NATO wants to put weapons and troops and what not on your own border I think someone is preparing to attack you. NATO has been doing that for 70 years without regards. The last time the Russians tried the same in Cuba, the US threatened war. So how is this any different??
Probably chilling somewhere like I do now.
Who sells the weapons to Ukraine and NATO? Are you from Mars?
Yes he has, but he is not fighting and dying the ordinary soldiers of both sides do. Putin is no better, but much more straight forward than piece of garbage like Bidden and the lunatic sitting in London.
Russia does not want NATO on it's doorstep end of. It gives them the reason to defend their interest the same way the US defended theirs when Russia wanted to put missiles in Cuba. I was born and live in Macedonia, felt the NATO and western hypocrisy when I was 6 and NATO bombed Jugoslavia, bombed Belgrade where my cousins live where they had to run for their lives. The same NATO helped and armed Albanian terrorist 2 years later to kill Macedonian policemen and civilians.
And Ukraine helped my country in 2001, so I have only gratitude for the people of Ukraine. We have felt war and the loss it brings, what happens now saddens me, but we have been living in this shitty world for too long to pretend all is black and white.
Mark down this day in your diaries and in history. The day that the West decided to not do anything to stop the fall of Ukraine back into Russian rule.
It failed to do anything to stop the fall of Crimea and that has led directly to this situation.
We in the West are going to have to wake up and decide what our future is going to be. A coward or a lion.
We all know from history what appeasement ends up with.
It failed to do anything to stop the fall of Crimea and that has led directly to this situation.
We in the West are going to have to wake up and decide what our future is going to be. A coward or a lion.
We all know from history what appeasement ends up with.
They never gave an exact invasion date, utter nonsense. They have just said imminent repeatedly and people don't have reading comprehension.