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Politico been posting some shit lately, been a few articles pushing the Russian narrative of Ukranian woes.Reading that politico article, there was another quote for when they should be using these tanks according to the Western view of course.
“It’s going to be a slow roll,” Rep. Mike Waltz (R-Fla.) said. “I can tell you as a former armor officer, breaking those types of trenches and defensive lines is incredibly costly and difficult. If they do it correctly, they’ll save the Western-provided tanks for the breakthrough.”
But that article or news about those losses are not exactly pushing the Russian narrative of Ukrainian woes (because it happened) or "addicting to the bad news" only. People can't really be that narrowminded with these things. Seeing solely feel-good news at the start of the war (after the first couple of months) probably made some sections of Western audiences believe that the RA would be beaten and retreating from the UA within a few months and that the early equipment supply from the West would be sufficient for that. These news or articles about the UA losses in this campaign could be served as a reminder to some of the Western audience/governments that the West will need to provide more and more for long term.
“It’s going to be a slow roll,” Rep. Mike Waltz (R-Fla.) said. “I can tell you as a former armor officer, breaking those types of trenches and defensive lines is incredibly costly and difficult. If they do it correctly, they’ll save the Western-provided tanks for the breakthrough.”
But that article or news about those losses are not exactly pushing the Russian narrative of Ukrainian woes (because it happened) or "addicting to the bad news" only. People can't really be that narrowminded with these things. Seeing solely feel-good news at the start of the war (after the first couple of months) probably made some sections of Western audiences believe that the RA would be beaten and retreating from the UA within a few months and that the early equipment supply from the West would be sufficient for that. These news or articles about the UA losses in this campaign could be served as a reminder to some of the Western audience/governments that the West will need to provide more and more for long term.
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We've had like 4 days worth of articles, from everywhere, using nothing but Russian sources. Its getting/got silly.
There's still healthy scepticism over whether that image posted above, and the video its based on, is even legit. Even if it is, the blind assumptions being made that vehicles have been wasted, without knowing anything about the situation except from Russian sources. Its way past boring.
Ukranian sources are very disciplined in maintaining silence and that creates bit of a news vacuum.
I believe most of them can be and were vetted by pro-UA sources, correct? It is obvious when equipment, such as a tank, is damaged. There is no such thing as "context" when it comes to counting losses or damaged or abandoned. The article did quote "ORYX" website as their source where everyone was looking at for the RA losses.
Looking at information from one side about the other isn't necessarily a bad thing. After all, the RA claims to have lost an absurdly minimal number of men and equipment in this fight. But you can count on pro-UA sources to refute that to certain extend.
Its a bit too late for that after all the damage he's done in Ukraine. Also, if he attempts to negotiate his way out of humiliation by attempting to keep Crimea then it will be interpreted as weakness to the Ukrainians, which will only make them double down on reclaiming all their land, including Crimea.
It is very scary, indeed.
“I am angry even now,” the Arsenal player says. “I am angry every single day because I really want to know what they are doing – to achieve what? To win what?
“I hope this war is going to finish soon and in the end you’re just going to think: ‘Wow, how many people have been killed? How many people have lost one of their circle? How many people lost their houses, jobs or whatever – and for what?’ I just really want to know.”
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...enko-will-not-be-silenced-over-war-in-ukraine
“I hope this war is going to finish soon and in the end you’re just going to think: ‘Wow, how many people have been killed? How many people have lost one of their circle? How many people lost their houses, jobs or whatever – and for what?’ I just really want to know.”
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...enko-will-not-be-silenced-over-war-in-ukraine
That's obviously propaganda though, with Russia propaganda is always prevalent. Most people learn to recognise it and filter it out or they get to the point where they seek it out.
Yeah you can kind of tell given how few cruise missiles they are launching, if that ramps back up you can probably point to production increasing again.
Sure, he was at these coordinates last we saw. You should go check on him there…
Almost an entier battery of Russias best tube artillery 2S19-Msta was destroyed in one field.
That was based on the Silverado Policy Accelerator, a think tank's tracking system. It said something like China, along with some other countries, were selling chips to the Russians. Imports between October and January were 50 percent or more of median prewar levels each month. So, it was obvious that they were going to keep producing those advanced weapons for awhile yet to terrorize people in Ukraine.
Not all bad news (for the West and Ukraine) comes from the Kremlin, unless you call that source the Kremlin's propaganda.
Looks like the Ukrainians are finally making some tangible progress now that the counteroffensive is fully underway.
Barbarian update:
No but almost all good news about Russia, especially a claim like Russia are now manufacturing advanced weaponry and that they're are almost back at their pre-war capability almost certainly originated from the Kremlin.
Because it's obviously not true or they wouldn't be dusting off WW1/2 tanks and shipping them to Ukraine.
You are aware that their pre-war capabilities may have been less than what they require right now during the war? Having that capability does not imply that they will produce them in huge quantities in a short period of time to end the war in a couple of months in their favor. Putin may consider negotiating when he no longer has items such as chips. He has no reason to back down as long as he is receiving some from others. That was the point, after all to that rumor.
Even IF all Russian equipment reinforcement consisted of dusty WWI/II tanks, it had nothing to do with their ability to produce modern weaponry like cruise missiles or attack drones. It's not like you can develop or produce new tanks quickly enough to overwhelm a country like Ukraine in a short period of time. Even Nato countries in Europe probably do not have enough 'modern' tanks all together for a war like this.
It obviously isn't true either that anyone is using WW1 tanks, but maybe WW2 tanks.
WW2 style tanks sure, I doubt they have operational tank made in 40s. But some of those model continued for quite some years after.
To be fair I did say WW1/2 tanks, as in WW1 or WW2. I don't when exactly they were made.
look up images of ww1 tank
This is the thing I remember seeing a few months back. No idea what era it is from.
And wouldn't they be there to exchange with the UA prisoners later on? After saying those, how many of them would get hammered to death like that Wagner guy a few months ago?
Here ya go
This is the thing I remember seeing a few months back. No idea what era it is from.
This Forbes article explains in more depth. Essentially a 1945 naval gun put on a 1950s armored chassis.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davida...70-year-old-armored-tractors/?sh=5d8bb6b3112c
Agreed it's a really bad practice.
Of Russian ones I don't mind so much. I do tend to have a bit of sympathy for them sometimes and its good to see they are now safe. Relative to the many images and videos of their corpses.