Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

owlo said:
They could send mountains of bodies back to Russia in insurgency.

but to what end…. All the lives ruined ffs . And for what? Putin will never get the soul of Ukraine. NATO will still be able to strike whenever they like.

Sickening.

If I was Ukrainian I’d fight though…



They just sailed into the ports? That was one extreme scenario floated but discarded as a serious option years ago.
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Ukrainians don’t have a navy. Well it’s a ‘mosquito’ navy.
 
The nihilistic worldview of the likes of Israel and North Korea almost make sense,
 
maximus419 said:
The world is dealing with a mad man dictator and should have learned lessons of the past that saying they will not get involved just makes Putin feel invincible.

The failure for other world leaders, NATO, the UN to say they will help defend Ukraine is why this madman won't stop at Ukraine.

He's power mad and that means you have to fight fire with fire. You don't negotiate with people like Putin, you get rid of them one way or another.

Saddens me that the west has become so weak over the last 30 years that China and Russia will now feel emboldened to do whatever it likes knowing the west will just watch on.
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You say that, but the flip side could be nuclear war.
 
Paxi said:
Ukrainians don’t have a navy. Well it’s a ‘mosquito’ navy.
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You don’t need ships to stop a navy sailing into your ports.In 2 hours you could make it virtually impossible. (Mines, anti ship missiles, debris)
 
owlo said:
You don’t need ships to stop a navy sailing into your ports.In 2 hours you could make it virtually impossible. (Mines, anti ship missiles, debris)
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Zelensky refused to fully mobilise the Ukrainian military believing invasion wouldn’t happen.
 
Carolina Red said:
You say that, but the flip side could be nuclear war.
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It won't be because even Putin and his allies want to live.

The west has been infiltrated with too much influence from China and Russia, that's why it stands aside. This is a power shift and sadly it's been going on for years. That is the harsh truth of the matter, the west has had its day.
 
maximus419 said:
It won't be because even Putin and his allies want to live.

The west has been infiltrated with too much influence from China and Russia, that's why it stands aside. This is a power shift and sadly it's been going on for years. That is the harsh truth of the matter, the west has had its day.
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Putin literally threatened the west couple hours ago with nukes if they decided to intervene.
 
maximus419 said:
It won't be because even Putin and his allies want to live.

The west has been infiltrated with too much influence from China and Russia, that's why it stands aside. This is a power shift and sadly it's been going on for years. That is the harsh truth of the matter, the west has had its day.
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Right, so you think a WW3 between major powers would remain completely conventional?

Because WW2 didn’t.
 
Paxi said:
Putin literally threatened the west couple hours ago with nukes if they decided to intervene.
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Yes, because the guy knows the west is weak and will just issue threats.

As I said, you allow this to happen, what next for Putin? He ain't stopping at Ukraine, this is a full scale invasion into Europe. He knows he can keep taking country by country. He has nothing to lose or fear.
 
maximus419 said:
Yes, because the guy knows the west is weak and will just issue threats.

As I said, you allow this to happen, what next for Putin? He ain't stopping at Ukraine, this is a full scale invasion into Europe. He knows he can keep taking country by country. He has nothing to lose or fear.
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You think Putin is bluffing with Nukes? Think again.

And no, he’s not invading all of Europe.
 
maximus419 said:
Yes, because the guy knows the west is weak and will just issue threats.

As I said, you allow this to happen, what next for Putin? He ain't stopping at Ukraine, this is a full scale invasion into Europe. He knows he can keep taking country by country. He has nothing to lose or fear.
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Hopefully, the rest of Europe realizes that he's not going to stop with just Ukraine and do something.
 
maximus419 said:
As I said, you allow this to happen, what next for Putin? He ain't stopping at Ukraine, this is a full scale invasion into Europe. He knows he can keep taking country by country. He has nothing to lose or fear.
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I don't spend much time on this thread, so I don't know what kind of conversation goes on usually, but that is some hyperbole nonsense you are spouting.
 
Paxi said:
You think Putin is bluffing with Nukes? Think again.

And no, he’s not invading all of Europe.
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That first question is impossible to answer. I think he’d realise he’s lost too if it gets to that stage.

Let’s say the US sent sub support and started sinking Russian warships. If Putin escalates with nukes he knows the US has 2nd strike, and that he’ll enrage China before getting wiped off the map. Doesn’t mean he wouldn’t do it though…
 
Carolina Red said:
You say that, but the flip side could be nuclear war.
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exactly, and threatening this flip side is what actually prevents large scale wars.
The west never should have backed down the way it did beforehand. Some say we've become so weak because of china and russia, but military speaking, we are not. We should send an immediate western threat to show that the behavior is not to be tolerated and can lead to actual war. So far, Putin knows he can do whatever he wants, because he knows there will be no repercussion, but that's the tragedy. If he at least feared it could by a small percentage result in a military involvement of the NATO allies, this would not be possible. Thing is, and it's a dreadful thought imo, but where will Putin stop now that he can freely operate? When the annexion of Krim happened, appeasement was our reaction. Now that the ukraine is getting invaded, we don't react either. Maybe it is time to see historical parallels to other cases of appeasement politics and where it led to. Because he won't stop there. It might just mark the beginning of further russian expansion and while it might be true that the west is on decline, it's still strong and a sleeping giant.
I say: send the reaction, threaten a total escalation and it won't come to that. It's the thought that it might come to that, that could prevent this.
 
maximus419 said:
Yes, because the guy knows the west is weak and will just issue threats.

As I said, you allow this to happen, what next for Putin? He ain't stopping at Ukraine, this is a full scale invasion into Europe. He knows he can keep taking country by country. He has nothing to lose or fear.
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No he knows if invades a NATO country then will be a total war. Anyway Russia and China know US has a clown as president so today Ukraine tomorrow Taiwan.
 
Carolina Red said:
Right, so you think a WW3 between major powers would remain completely conventional?

Because WW2 didn’t.
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Carolina Red said:
Right, so you think a WW3 between major powers would remain completely conventional?

Because WW2 didn’t.
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So you allow Putin to do what he likes then?

sanctions aren't going to do anything, Russia will just cut oil and gas which the west relies too much upon.

The UK set a precedent only a few years ago with the skripal poisoning. They did nothing and have allowed Russia to interfere in our electoral processes, allow billions of dodgy money into our economy and housing market.

Putin may as well be the world leader for all the failure and weakness the west has been exhibiting over the past decade. Who knows, this could embolden him to do a Hitler.
 
owlo said:
That first question is impossible to answer. I think he’d realise he’s lost too if it gets to that stage.

Let’s say the US sent sub support and started sinking Russian warships. If Putin escalates with nukes he knows the US has 2nd strike, and that he’ll enrage China before getting wiped off the map. Doesn’t mean he wouldn’t do it though…
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I don’t think he’s bluffing but I’m not saying he would definitely use them either. I can say with confidence though that I don’t think anyone wants to get to that stage so it’s better to assume the worst.
 
Rektsanwalt said:
exactly, and threatening this flip side is what actually prevents large scale wars.
The west never should have backed down the way it did beforehand. Some say we've become so weak because of china and russia, but military speaking, we are not. We should send an immediate western threat to show that the behavior is not to be tolerated and can lead to actual war. So far, Putin knows he can do whatever he wants, because he knows there will be no repercussion, but that's the tragedy. If he at least feared it could by a small percentage result in a military involvement of the NATO allies, this would not be possible. Thing is, and it's a dreadful thought imo, but where will Putin stop now that he can freely operate? When the annexion of Krim happened, appeasement was our reaction. Now that the ukraine is getting invaded, we don't react either. Maybe it is time to see historical parallels to other cases of appeasement politics and where it led to. Because he won't stop there. It might just mark the beginning of further russian expansion and while it might be true that the west is on decline, it's still strong and a sleeping giant.
I say: send the reaction, threaten a total escalation and it won't come to that. It's the thought that it might come to that, that could prevent this.
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Threaten total escalation over a country that isn’t even a member of NATO?

That’s just not how any of this works.
 
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