Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

I was thinking the same. Strategic town or not, it does seem like it has caused serious tension between Wagner and the Russian MoD. No doubt Western intelligence are monitoring that communication.

It’s got proper Sudan warlord vibes.
 
Seems like Ukraine is poking the hornet's nest in a few places and Russians are already in panic.
 
How do you motivate a soldier who is protecting his wife, his kids, his land? What else can motivate him? There's no need to motivate us because it is the Russians who motivated us. Putin motivates us better than anyone else.


 
Choosing Bakhmut for the first counteroffensive seems more of a propaganda value than strategic. "You tried for so long and failed, now watch what we do" etc.
I think it makes a lot of sense. They can't have been fortifying too much with all the people they've just sent over the top to press on. Plus the whole Wagner and MoD infighting if it turns into a rout.
 
Choosing Bakhmut for the first counteroffensive seems more of a propaganda value than strategic. "You tried for so long and failed, now watch what we do" etc.
It has strategic as well as symbolic value. There is a reason why the UA has been fighting for months, with many men dying. By effectively counterattacking them there, the majority of the Wager group in UA might be annihilated and there would be a rift between them, as many have mentioned. Putin would be embarrassed as well.

And UA's morale would skyrocket.
 
It has strategic as well as symbolic value. There is a reason why the UA has been fighting for months, with many men dying. By effectively counterattacking them there, the majority of the Wager group in UA might be annihilated and there would be a rift between them, as many have mentioned. Putin would be embarrassed as well.

And UA's morale would skyrocket.
Majority of Wagner group is in Africa though
 
Hard to imagine that now since tons of resources including manpower were used at that city for ages.
Many convicts though. I think the veteran Wagner guys are mostly abroad in Africa or Syria. Africa is also more profitable for Wagner.
 
Hard to imagine that now since tons of resources including manpower were used at that city for ages.
He mostly collected fodder from the prisons. Probably some commanders are from the pros. But not the grunts. Would be great if they get wiped out completely though
 
Many convicts though. I think the veteran Wagner guys are mostly abroad in Africa or Syria. Africa is also more profitable for Wagner.
According to BBC in Jan, 2023: "Before Russia's invasion of Ukraine, it is thought the Wagner Group had only about 5,000 fighters. Wagner almost certainly now commands 50,000 fighters in Ukraine ."

Wagner groups, despite having tons of convicts, gave the UA so much trouble with the way they (have to) fought. It is doubtful that their regular troops would do the same. The group has probably lost tons of resources, and it will definitely weaken their combat capacity anywhere for now. They might not even come back to UA in the future if UA does it successfully, which can only be a good thing.
 



It would be brilliant if they could achieve that. Russian defenses should be the weakest around Bakhmut, because you don't build fortifications usually, when you keep attacking all the time.


Operation Uranus 2.0. If it carries on, we will be able to say Russia has been Stalingrad-ed.

All that money and can't even get a decent haircut.

:lol: It's ugly as hell, all right.
 
Choosing Bakhmut for the first counteroffensive seems more of a propaganda value than strategic. "You tried for so long and failed, now watch what we do" etc.
I think what we are seeing now is more of a shaping operation to force a response from the Russians and not the large counter offensive everyone has been waiting for.
It will force the Rusian MOD to make a hard choice, either they send reserves to Bakhmut which in turn will weaken other sectors of the front or they risk the political humiliation that comes with loosing the city.
 
Choosing Bakhmut for the first counteroffensive seems more of a propaganda value than strategic. "You tried for so long and failed, now watch what we do" etc.

If Wagner, who are considered Russia's best trained troops on the ground, are routed in Bakhmut, it could have a ripple effect on the morale of all Russian troops in Ukraine.
 
If Wagner, who are considered Russia's best trained troops on the ground, are routed in Bakhmut, it could have a ripple effect on the morale of all Russian troops in Ukraine.

The same way that Napoleon's army totally collapsed after Sir Peregrine Maitland's Guards Division ambushed and decimated the Imperial Guard at Waterloo.
 
Shaping operations have begun.

Ukrainian forces have begun “shaping” operations in advance of a highly-anticipated counteroffensive against Russian forces, a senior US military official and senior Western official tell CNN.

Shaping involves striking targets such as weapons depots, command centers and armor and artillery systems to prepare the battlefield for advancing forces. It's a standard tactic made prior to major combined operations.

When Ukraine launched a counteroffensive late last summer in the southern and northeastern parts of the country, it was similarly preceded by air attacks to shape the battlefield. These shaping operations could continue for many days before the bulk of any planned Ukrainian offensive, according to the senior US military official.
https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-05-12-23/index.html
 
It seems that satanic nazis is not enough anymore. Now we have artificial human beings infected with the "Russophobia" virus :wenger: :wenger: :wenger:
 
It seems that satanic nazis is not enough anymore. Now we have artificial human beings infected with the "Russophobia" virus :wenger: :wenger: :wenger:


To me it sounds more like he's saying that the Polish PM is a puppet the US built up to control Poland.
 
It's kind of ironic we keep seeing the rhetoric that ukraine is defending european democracy, when poland, one of the biggest supporters, is slowing abandoning democracy.
 
Those attacks yesterday definitely gave Bakhmut city defenders a little room to breath. The front line has straightened considerably and the threat of Russians surrounding western Bakhmut is gone for now.