Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

B20 said:
In other news, a Norwegian supreme Court judge had publicly accused his ukrainean wife of poisoning him over several months in an attempt on his life and that she is now on the run.

The next day she confirmed with several papers she is not on the run, had no motive for killing her husband as she's financially dependent on him and shared these txts from him:

«I think Putin is on track. Earlier his goal was to denazifise Ukraine. Now he tells that the goal is to desatanifise (desatanifisere) Ukraine. On this point he is spot on, but has a big job to do.»

«People from Ukraine are from hell!»

«I hope that the war with Russia ends with that Ukraine is deleted from map!!!»

He confirmed the txts but explained those were the writings of a man deranged by longterm poisoning and that it is only in the past week he has regained his sanity and was able to identify his wife as the only possible cause of the poisoning.
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All true, but he's currently on some kind of leave from the Supreme Court, so he's not actively doing any danger. He's also just one out of 20, and he's also 3 years away from forced retirement. I'm finding it hard to believe he'll stay on, but who knows.
 
I too think Jake Sullivan had a lot to do with dragging out the delivery of required weapons by completely mistreating Putin’s “escalations”.
 
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The United said:
Back to the causalities of Ukraine,

Mention of 100,000 Ukrainian soldiers killed during war removed from address of Head of European Commission
https://www.yahoo.com/now/head-european-commission-ukraine-loses-085126785.html

I wonder if she quoted General Milley.
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Or more likely quoting one of the many journalists that misrepresented his off the cuff remarks at some random economic club in NY as some sort of 'US data release'. His use of the word 'probably' tells us he wasn't referring to data, just rambling.
 
Rajma said:
I too think Jake Sullivan had a lot to do with dragging out the delivery of required weapons by completely mistreating Putin’s “escalations”.
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It is interesting because some articles mentioned that the Russian troops will get stronger next year, and some of the missiles used to hit UKR cities were recently made, and they still have a lot of chips saved up to make lots of them.
 
Tibs said:
Are these weapons being donated to Ukraine? Or they going to pay us back?

If they are being sold, is it on a cost-basis, or is their profit being made?
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Profit. Always profit. No country who’s supplying Ukraine with arms or help is doing it for the goodness of it. It will have to be repaid back at some point and with interest. There’s always a buck to be made when war breaks out.
 
Stookie said:
Profit. Always profit. No country who’s supplying Ukraine with arms or help is doing it for the goodness of it. It will have to be repaid back at some point and with interest. There’s always a buck to be made when war breaks out.
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These are being donated. The pay back will be the strategic victory of having exposed Russia as a military paper tiger and the weakening and possible fall of Putin. That's worth far more than any non-existent financial deal
 
Simbo said:
Might just be me, but you seem to have a habit of posting controversial articles that always name "officials" as sources, paywalled so we can't see if there's any actual substance to the story.
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What's controversial about a WaPo article? Besides, the key point is usually in the tweet anyway.
 
VorZakone said:
What's controversial about a WaPo article? Besides, the key point is usually in the tweet anyway.
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Well WaPo or NYT love publishing controversial articles about whatever, most msm even. Just annoys me when they all too often quote "officials" as sources. We know all too well the problem with only reading headlines/tweets.
 
Stookie said:
Profit. Always profit. No country who’s supplying Ukraine with arms or help is doing it for the goodness of it. It will have to be repaid back at some point and with interest. There’s always a buck to be made when war breaks out.
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Do you have a source for this claim? To the best of my understanding almost all the equipment coming from the US and Europe are being donated.
 
the hea said:
Do you have a source for this claim? To the best of my understanding almost all the equipment coming from the US and Europe are being donated.
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It may cost the countries through donations, or depletion of existing stocks, depending on how those have been accounted for. However, arms manufacturers will always profit. In a twisted way that's a good thing as they lobby the Republicans, which protects us from the maga loons.
 
Simbo said:
It may cost the countries through donations, or depletion of existing stocks, depending on how those have been accounted for. However, arms manufacturers will always profit. In a twisted way that's a good thing as they lobby the Republicans, which protects us from the maga loons.
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Of course the arms manufacturers are getting paid, they are private enterprises that work for for a profit thats just how the world works. The poster as I understand it asked if Ukraine are paying the donor countries for the weapons.
 
Talking about weapon donations the US just announced their latest package for Ukraine that includes:


  • One Patriot air defense battery and munitions;
  • Additional ammunition for High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS);
  • 500 precision-guided 155mm artillery rounds;
  • 10 120mm mortar systems and 10,000 120mm mortar rounds;
  • 10 82mm mortar systems;
  • 10 60mm mortar systems;
  • 37 Cougar Mine Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) Vehicles;
  • 120 High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicles (HMMWVs);
  • Six armored utility trucks;
  • High-speed Anti-radiation missiles (HARMs);
  • Precision aerial munitions;
  • Over 2,700 grenade launchers and small arms;
  • Claymore anti-personnel munitions;
  • Demolition munitions and equipment;
  • Night vision devices and optics;
  • Tactical secure communications systems;
  • Body armor and other field equipment.

Under USAI, the DoD will also provide Ukraine with:


  • 45,000 152mm artillery rounds;
  • 20,000 122mm artillery rounds;
  • 50,000 122mm GRAD rockets;
  • 100,000 rounds of 125mm tank ammunition;
  • SATCOM terminals and services;
  • Funding for training, maintenance, and sustainment.
https://www.defense.gov/News/Releas...n-additional-security-assistance-for-ukraine/
 
There appears to be a Russian troll campaign hitting Twitter right now to criticize the Zelenskyy visit to DC
 
the hea said:
Of course the arms manufacturers are getting paid, they are private enterprises that work for for a profit thats just how the world works. The poster as I understand it asked if Ukraine are paying the donor countries for the weapons.
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I should imagine that it will be a similar situation to that where Britain paid the USA for help during the Second World War. It took 50 years to pay that debt. Why would the Ukraine be treated any differently? Surely billions of dollars/ pounds worth of weapons wouldn’t be given for free just to poke the eye of those pesky Russians? But whether it’s governments or arms manufacturers, as I said in my first post, someone somewhere will surely be making a buck out it on the back of Ukraine. And just for the record I’m all for donating arms for nothing to Ukraine but my cynical side of Governments thinks otherwise.
 
Stookie said:
I should imagine that it will be a similar situation to that where Britain paid the USA for help during the Second World War. It took 50 years to pay that debt. Why would the Ukraine be treated any differently? Surely not just to poke the eye of those pesky Russians? But whether it’s governments or arms manufacturers, as I said in my first post, someone somewhere will surely be making a buck out it on the back of Ukraine. And just for the record I’m all for donating arms for nothing to Ukraine but my cynical side of Governments thinks otherwise.
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Do you know how much money Britain paid in 50 years? Can you compare it to Britain's GDP? Can you also compare the money USA gave to Britain in 1940, and compare it to Britain's GDP back then? It will surprise you! The final payment in 2006 was just $83m, can you calculate what percentage of Britain's GDP that was? Can you calculate what percentage it was in 1940?

I wish I could borrow a billion dollars today, and pay back a billion dollars in 50 years, with no interest or even with 2% interest. There are loans and then there are "loans".
 
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frostbite said:
Do you know how much money Britain paid in 50 years? Can you compare it to Britain's GPD? Can you also compare the money USA gave to Britain in 1940, and compare it to Britain's GPD back then? It will surprise you! The final payment in 2006 was just $83m, can you calculate what percentage of Britain's GPD that was? Can you calculate what percentage it was in 1940?

I wish I could borrow a billion dollars today, and pay back a billion dollars in 50 years, with no interest or even with 2% interest. There are loans and then there are "loans".
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Don't forget the aid through the Marshall Plan given to the UK (and other countries), separate from the debt. Done to stop the spread of communism. I would suggest that billions in aid to secure a pro-Western Ukraine is worth much more to US/NATO than getting Ukraine to pay the cost of the weapons.
 
frostbite said:
Do you know how much money Britain paid in 50 years? Can you compare it to Britain's GPD? Can you also compare the money USA gave to Britain in 1940, and compare it to Britain's GPD back then? It will surprise you! The final payment in 2006 was just $83m, can you calculate what percentage of Britain's GPD that was? Can you calculate what percentage it was in 1940?

I wish I could borrow a billion dollars today, and pay back a billion dollars in 50 years, with no interest or even with 2% interest. There are loans and then there are "loans".
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Agreed but it was still to be repaid. It wasn’t free. That’s my point.
 
Raoul said:
There appears to be a Russian troll campaign hitting Twitter right now to criticize the Zelenskyy visit to DC
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Don’t think so, Elon has done away with all the bots and would never let Russia get away with something like that.
 
Raoul said:
There appears to be a Russian troll campaign hitting Twitter right now to criticize the Zelenskyy visit to DC
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To be honest as Zelensky is trending and looking at the top posts suggested by Twitter you can tell algorithms have been amended to promote Kremlin’s propaganda. Musk is a real danger to democracy.
 
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