Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion
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Seems like UKR are having some trouble in Donna's region lately.
Sauce?
So is Russia just forever going to pretend Kherson is "Russian territory"?
From various twitter and youtube sources that I watch recently such as Warmonitorua etc.
They claim that Russian forces broke through the first defense lines of UKR forces in some places. Some Russian forces from Kherson have been reinforcing them, and they are gaining ground little by little. Prior to that, it was mostly stalement for months.
Bring them all down.
Love the stuff about how kind, polite and meek they are.
I wish you could just watch them as a sort of a reality TV without any of the war crimes happening. The fact that they're talking about and directly influencing tens of thousands of deaths makes it harder to laugh at their stupidity and/or hypocrisy, at least for me.
Thankfully it looks like it was a false alarm this time, probably caused by Russian training flights.
Lets assume the russians have changed tactic and instead of missiles and drones they go for bomber planes, how would that play out? How is their fleet of bombers and how would Ukraine respond in terms of anti-air and/or fighter jets?
Would be a massacre and disaster for the Russians, as Ukraine has a lot of air defence systems and is still getting more.
Unless they launch standoff munitions.
i think most air defences become signifigantly less effective at heights of 25,000ft so in theory Russia could use its TU95 and TU22 to bomb from height but by that point its going to be rather inaccurate so would probably only be of use if carpet bombing cities which would probably be a red line that would see further escalation and potentially a UN / Nato enforced no fly zone?
but yeah not a logical move
It's not a change of tactics, the majority of the cruise missiles they use are air launched KH-101 missiles. They usually launch them from TU-160 and TU-95 bombers flying over the Caspian sea, this is something they have been doing since the begining of the war
Here is a TU-95 bomber carrying 8 KH-101 cruise missiles.
He does look like less bloated version of Steven Seagal there.
When he screams in the studio during solo speech he looks like choked Jabba though.
They have used them already over Mariupol in the early days, the Theatre and maternity hospital bombings come to mind. They haven't risked them over Ukraine since, everywhere else has too much air-defence. They have instead been used to launch stand-off missiles from inside Russia.
Which is what they are doing all the time, so I thought @Bobcat was thinking about actually using bombs as a changed tactic.
There are more efficient ways to scrap old rustbuckets
It seems like the southern defense lines at Bakhmut were broken at some places and under heavy pressures in others. I think Bakhmut could fail in a few weeks unless URK reinforce there heavily.
The town is evacuated isn’t it? Just being used as a meat grinder.
In the grand scheme of things though, I'm concerned that the UKR may not have many tricks left in the war and most battles will have to be frontal assaults for both sides. Therefore, it is a concern that Russian forces will be able to capture a well-defended city at this stage of the war (if we are banking on the UKR to gain ground quickly in the next few months). Even with their resources depleted, the Russians may be able to stay in this situation for much longer than the UKR.
Ukraine has been asking the West for F-16s since March. I don't know why the West does not help them create a capable air force.
Forget about F-16s for now. They need a lot more artillery ammunition, and these battles will be decided by that, and the Russians seem to still have the upper hand here even at this stage of the war. which is a concern, of course.
And, according to the New York Times, because some countries in the west thought artillery wars were a thing of the past, they didn't have a lot of stock... and it takes time to produce new batches.
Depends if there is a tactical advantage to trading off a loss there for a win elsewhere I suppose. Quite hard to break through the enemy lines if you don't choose where to concentrate your forces I would assume. Could be that as long as the Russians are losing more men than the Ukrainians in Bakhmut then they're ok with slowly ceding ground there.
I am sure that's what UKR has been doing there for all these months. But as I said, there are a few other places as well where Russians seem to have the upper hand with their frontal assaults and are gaining some ground. The thing is though once you give up grounds which are well-defended, it would be harder to retake.
I was hoping that the Russian north-east front line would have collapsed by now. Didn't happen. Ultimately, though, the UKR probably wants to keep their men alive as much as possible which is the right thing to do. However, who knows how long the West will keep supplying an adequate amount of weapons for them to take their time? And the further east they push the Russians, the safer some of their major cities will be from artillery fire at least.
The Russians advancing and being overstretched can also prove to be an advantage to Ukraine, as it already has many times in this war already. Not sure it's worth worrying about too much just yet. We must just hope they know what they are doing. It seems the Western countries are still pretty united other than a bit of posturing here and there. There's no chance of it going back to business as usual with Russia any time soon, and even with their large population and massive arsenal they can't fight such a punishing war forever.
Wagner guys not very happy. One wonders exactly what the hell is going on behind the scenes.
To what advantage though ? The Ukrainians have been moving the Russians back in nearly every area, so getting pushed back in one won't exactly be a game changer for the Russians.
Some front line reporting for Bakhmut just popped up.
While concerning, hardly surprising. While Kherson held for russians, Wagner group around Bakhmut was reinforced with mobilised/ex convicts. Now that Kherson fell, they sent their trained troops there. Also building defensive lines everywhere, means they can afford less men to sit in defense and shift elsewhere.
They should be able to overwhelm few advancements now, but wont start getting back everything Ukraine retook.
Like after the defeat in kiev, the more silence in the war news cycle the more i am afraid that the UA is losing this period of the war. Hopefully is not much and they can push back again
The UKR strategy is generally the attrition of Russian Forces, while protecting their own and their people as much as possible. With that in mind I doubt they are too concerned with giving up an already destroyed & evacuated town, I'm not either. Wouldn't be the first time they gave up a town to take the entire region not long after.