RufRTs Obama Windup

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ralphie88 said:
What is this obsession with republicans in the States about "liberals"? Surely the US was fundamentally built upon liberal principles? When did it become a dirty word? :confused:
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Right wingers have used the term in a derogatory sense since the 90s at least. Goons like Rush Limbaugh, a drug-addled, obese feckwit who hosted a pisspoor radio show for conservatives was fond of it. Another fascist, Michael Savage - who was actually banned from entering the UK - is another. His speciality is slagging off immigrants. His slogan is "Borders, Language, and Culture" as if he'd know what the latter meant. They gave him a TV slot once. It lasted about 5 minutes after he told a gay caller to get AIDS and die.
 
RufRT said:
So lets recap shall we ? Nothing original on Iraq, Guantanamo stays open, Gates stays on a Secretary of Defense, Waffling on Afghanistan, Billions of dollars spent on pork disguised as stimulus passed off as a "jobless recovery", Justice Dept continues many provisions of the Patriot Act....and another trillion dollars in spending projected over 10 years on a healthcare bill that accomplishes little except feed the ego of the Great Leader....

brilliant stuff really....
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Not that I'm a particular fan of Obama or any US president on that matter, but really you honestly think that your man Mitt Romney or whoever it is you Fox News folk swear to, would have handled the situations you've mentioned more adequately, for starters I dont think there would have been a pull-out in Iraq and you could also bet your buck Guantamano would have stayed open. I take it Neoliberal economics would have been also been perfect in aiding the recession :smirk:
 
topper said:
Funny in the UK after 12 years of Labour some on the Caff and elsewhere still blame the Conservatives for the mess we're in.

as for Obama he needs at least 2 years in power before people start judging him.
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No President gets 2 years. If dems are still blaming Bush this time next year Obama will be a 1 and done president.
 
Cali Red said:
Interesting. I thought the SOFA was negotiated by Obama. So, here I was giving him credit for the pull out and ending of the conflict when in reality it's Bush that should get that credit. ;)
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I wouldn't be so quick credit Bush either. The situation was forced on him by the expiring UNSCR that regulated US forces being in Iraq until the end of 2008. If the US hadn't negotiated the bilateral agreement with the Iraqis, then all US forces would have had to leave Iraq by December 31, 2008, and of course the Iraqi side didn't want that because they weren't quite ready to go it alone on security without a US safeguard. He had no option.

The history books will always regard Iraq and Afghanistan as George W. Bush's wars - the foreign policy blunders, poor pre and post war planning, military miscalculations - all of it will go to Bush. Obama might join him if he makes a bad decision on Afghanistan, but right now Bush and Cheney deserve a majority of it.
 
RufRT said:
So lets recap shall we ? Nothing original on Iraq, Guantanamo stays open, Gates stays on a Secretary of Defense, Waffling on Afghanistan, Billions of dollars spent on pork disguised as stimulus passed off as a "jobless recovery", Justice Dept continues many provisions of the Patriot Act....and another trillion dollars in spending projected over 10 years on a healthcare bill that accomplishes little except feed the ego of the Great Leader....

brilliant stuff really....
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Keeping Gates on was brilliant. I'm glad you agree.
 
RedKaos said:
Not that I'm a particular fan of Obama or any US president on that matter, but really you honestly think that your man Mitt Romney or whoever it is you Fox News folk swear to, would have handled the situations you've mentioned more adequately, for starters I dont think there would have been a pull-out in Iraq and you could also bet your buck Guantamano would have stayed open. I take it Neoliberal economics would have been also been perfect in aiding the recession :smirk:
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I hate to break this to you, but RufRT is actually a self-confessed blue dog Democrat. Can't you tell by the positive optimism of his posts ? ;)
 
RufRT said:
So lets recap shall we ? Nothing original on Iraq, Guantanamo stays open, Gates stays on a Secretary of Defense, Waffling on Afghanistan, Billions of dollars spent on pork disguised as stimulus passed off as a "jobless recovery", Justice Dept continues many provisions of the Patriot Act....and another trillion dollars in spending projected over 10 years on a healthcare bill that accomplishes little except feed the ego of the Great Leader....

brilliant stuff really....
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I like Obama so far.

He's managed not to start an illegal war. Top marks to the lad.
 
ralphie88 said:
I like Obama so far.

He's managed not to start an illegal war. Top marks to the lad.
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But he has continued it and seems to be escalating it.

Personally, I like Obama but I don't trust him. I voted for him (I have dual US and British citizenship) because I thought he could bring in a single-payer healthcare plan. Maybe that was a bit naive but McCain offered absolutely nothing.

We are going to have to talk to the Taliban sooner or later and I hope that Obama has the guts to try.
 
Moriarty said:
But he has continued it and seems to be escalating it.

Personally, I like Obama but I don't trust him. I voted for him (I have dual US and British citizenship) because I thought he could bring in a single-payer healthcare plan. Maybe that was a bit naive but McCain offered absolutely nothing.

We are going to have to talk to the Taliban sooner or later and I hope that Obama has the guts to try.
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There really wasn't much to think about in McCain v Obama. McCain brought absolutely nothing new to the table. Obama's success is down to his positive message, in contrast to negativity and cynicism the Republicans were offering in the way of attacks on him, rather than what they could offer.
 
ralphie88 said:
I like Obama so far.

He's managed not to start an illegal war. Top marks to the lad.
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I like Obama because he isn't GW Bush. :cool:


No such thing as an illegal war but I get your gist. Problem is he isn't covering himself full of glory in the eyes of the American voters. That means he might just very well be one and done, and could be replaced by someone as hard line as GW in three years.
 
mjs020294 said:
I like Obama because he isn't GW Bush. :cool:


No such thing as an illegal war but I get your gist. Problem is he isn't covering himself full of glory in the eyes of the American voters. That means he might just very well be one and done, and could be replaced by someone as hard line as GW in three years.
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Bush was barely..'not elected' twice.

look at the GOP possibles....bible thumping inbred retards....

nah...Obama will walk in again.
 
Its a US president, theres bound to be a war thrown in for shits and giggles, maybe not one now but definitely in the distant future. My moneys on Iran or Syria.
 
ralphie88 said:
Yes there is. "Waging aggressive war" was made a war crime in 1946.
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War of Aggression necessitates the absence of UN sanctioning of a conflict. The UN was heavily involved in both Iraq and Afghanistan. Resolutions 681 and 1441, as well as 1368 and 1373, the language and foundation of which were used as a pretext to invading Afghanistan. This would seem to undermine the War of Aggression idea.
 
It'd hard to predict the political climate of 2012. Right now, i think Romney is going to be Obama's most credible challenger. Jeb Bush would probably be a more viable choice for the GOP, but there's no telling whether he's willing to jump back into politics. It will probably end up Palin v Romney in the GOP.
 
Raoul said:
It'd hard to predict the political climate of 2012. Right now, i think Romney is going to be Obama's most credible challenger. Jeb Bush would probably be a more viable choice for the GOP, but there's no telling whether he's willing to jump back into politics. It will probably end up Palin v Romney in the GOP.
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Jeb fecking Bush! Do you really think America needs another member of the Bush family in the White House?

Take you tongue out of your cheek Raoul.
 
Raoul said:
Only one of these things is likely and it has nothing to do with Michelle's arse or Politics. The fundemental problem is that you're inflating and exaggerating based on wishful thinking. You could just as easily skew it the other way and suggest that with the US coming out of Recession, that the Stimulus has been effective. Likewise, Iran is facing more internal upheaval and pressure on its own leadership to change from within, and the middle east peace process could receive a boost. Its all on how you spin it.
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And that, my friends, is politics.
 
Moriarty said:
Jeb fecking Bush! Do you really think America needs another member of the Bush family in the White House?

Take you tongue out of your cheek Raoul.
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I mentioned him because more pragmatic than his older brother and would appeal to Republican moderates. He would give Obama the biggest challenge.
 
Raoul said:
It'd hard to predict the political climate of 2012. Right now, i think Romney is going to be Obama's most credible challenger. Jeb Bush would probably be a more viable choice for the GOP, but there's no telling whether he's willing to jump back into politics. It will probably end up Palin v Romney in the GOP.
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Besides the world ends in 2012 so it won't matter. :nervous:

I think Romney stands a good chance of being the repub nominee. Jeb Bush has the big problem of being a Bush. It will still be too soon for him as it would be entirely too easy to run a campaign against another Bush, even if he has a different philosophy.

I hope Dick Armey makes a run. I'm really wanting a Dick Armeys Army shirt. Besides, what would be better than having a president Dick Armey? Nothing.
 
Raoul said:
I mentioned him because more pragmatic than his older brother and would appeal to Republican moderates. He would give Obama the biggest challenge.
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See, that was posted in the time while I was posting. Americas just not ready for Bush.............at least that Bush. ;)
 
Jeb Bush is a lot more palatable than his retarded alcoholic brother. Bush senior was OK as well but something went very wrong with GW.
 
mjs020294 said:
Jeb Bush is a lot more palatable than his retarded alcoholic brother. Bush senior was OK as well but something went very wrong with GW.
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Yeah the more i think about it, he will probably throw his hat in for 2012. There will be a lot of pressure on him by the GOP hierarchy, given the name recognition, and the fact that he is far more moderate than W. In my estimation, he's the only one who would give Obama a run for his money. Romney is a good talker, but he's also qutie generic - and a Mormon. Palin obviously lacks the cranial capacity to appeal to non rural voters.
 
Has China ever hosted a weaker US President than this one ? NO

They must be laughing their socks off at this limp wristed apologist...I guess his first order of business is to let them know of the next treasury auction...

Loved the apologist bow to the Jap Emperor..hope he didn't throw a disc....
 
RufRT said:
Has China ever hosted a weaker US President than this one ? NO

They must be laughing their socks off at this limp wristed apologist...I guess his first order of business is to let them know of the next treasury auction...

Loved the apologist bow to the Jap Emperor..hope he didn't throw a disc....
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Do you mean the Japanese Emperor ? ;)
 
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