feck, you're thick. Forget the citation. Respond to the rest of the post instead of nitpicking on something I'm guessing you didn't even bother to read.
RufRTs Obama Windup
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feck, you're thick. Forget the citation. Respond to the rest of the post instead of nitpicking on something I'm guessing you didn't even bother to read.
ahh yes, the final resort....name calling (brilliant Mehro)
You cited the nobel, you cited the universities....as if they are compelling points meant to convince me I've erred in MY opinion of Krugman's worthlessness. When rebutted, you act like an angry 4 yr old.
I'm talking about the original post jackass. Forget the Krugman citation, what about the other points.
Don't think he's angry at being rebutted (cause you sure as hell didn't offer ANY form of a rebuttal. Unless you count insulting the source of the argument but not the argument itself as a rebuttal), but instead at the fact that you don't bother to read anything someone who disagrees with you posts based on ridiculous bias against anything that's not as right-wing as it comes. Your opinion of Krugman's "worthlessness" is not based on anything intelligent, just based on the simple fact that he's not right wing. I really pity people like you. Makes me glad I live in a semi-intelligent portion of the USA (if such a thing exists).
Also, it's interesting that three of the last four Republican Presidents have went to those "bastions of liberalism". Just saying.
Were you a castmember on Jersey Shore ? Some real fine specimens in Jersey pal, something really to be proud of (I can understand your pride)...and a rags fan on top of it
Don't pity me pal, trust me I am very happy
The fact that 4 presidents went to Yale and then subscribed to alternative political ideology speaks volumes...what they saw sickened them
How about you actually state an argument to counter the points. If they are drivel then it should be easy.
The only reason the health bill is watered down is because of people like you. Obama isn't change, he could have been the catalyst for change - it's up to the voters to get off their asses and speak up. They did - all the stories I've heard are that they don't want big bad evil universal healthcare - so they aren't getting it.
What's your problem? He 'listened' to those who spoke. I don't agree with them mind you, but I don't agree with the people sitting in their hands, too lazy to make their voices heard. Perhaps there just aren't enough of them to be 'loud' enough.
One day there will be real change though, but it won't come from a president, or elected official, it'll come from the grass roots and go up.
Anyway, carry on your ideological crusade to condemn anything you label as left.
RuffRT's logic is just a simple of if it doesn't match my views then they're crazy 'leftists'. A flawed logic if ever there was one.
Woody, unfortunately for you, the grassroots movement you speak of is coming from the right. This experiment in frank liberalism will be short lived. I'm glad you're another that has woken up to the myth that is Obama though...its big of you to own up.
The fact that the "people have spoken", as you say, only supports my once ridiculed suggestion that the US remains a center right country....despite the dreams and aspirations of a minority left. Now that the independants have fled, its left (no pun intended) to the kooky franken fringe to prop up the Great One (should make for very entertaining viewing).
Spend and waffle was not what the hopeful coalition of electorate had in mind last year...its their sad reality though.
The fact that the "people have spoken", as you say, only supports my once ridiculed suggestion that the US remains a center right country....despite the dreams and aspirations of a minority left. Now that the independants have fled, its left (no pun intended) to the kooky franken fringe to prop up the Great One (should make for very entertaining viewing).
Spend and waffle was not what the hopeful coalition of electorate had in mind last year...its their sad reality though.
Were you a castmember on Jersey Shore ? Some real fine specimens in Jersey pal, something really to be proud of (I can understand your pride)...and a rags fan on top of it
Don't pity me pal, trust me I am very happy
The fact that 4 presidents went to Yale and then subscribed to alternative political ideology speaks volumes...what they saw sickened them
Luckily, I think even you know enough to realize that those people aren't representative of New Jersey. Well, most of it anyway.
Jersey Shore: Worst Thing to Happen to East Coast Since 9/11 | Cracked.com
That blog/article is quite a laugh. All I can say is, thank God I don't go down to the shore often.
Anyway.... Actually, there's no convincing you of anything anyway, so I'll just keep it at that. But I will state that while the majority of people at those universities are probably liberals, I'm sure there's plenty of diverse thoughts and people there. They wouldn't have gotten to be one of the best Universities in the world if they completely shunned certain viewpoints. Anything someone from those universities has to say.. I'll at least listen too. Even George Dubya.
Luckily, I think even you know enough to realize that those people aren't representative of New Jersey. Well, most of it anyway.
Jersey Shore: Worst Thing to Happen to East Coast Since 9/11 | Cracked.com
That blog/article is quite a laugh. All I can say is, thank God I don't go down to the shore often.
Anyway.... Actually, there's no convincing you of anything anyway, so I'll just keep it at that. But I will state that while the majority of people at those universities are probably liberals, I'm sure there's plenty of diverse thoughts and people there. They wouldn't have gotten to be one of the best Universities in the world if they completely shunned certain viewpoints. Anything someone from those universities has to say.. I'll at least listen too. Even George Dubya.
Merry Christmas and a happy new year mate...all the best
I will check back for another update on the "Obama Experiment" in due course.
Until then, have a wonderful Christmas/Hanukah/Kwanzaa/Atheist Feast and the very best in 2010
I hope Santa brings you lot some sense this Christmas
Until then, have a wonderful Christmas/Hanukah/Kwanzaa/Atheist Feast and the very best in 2010
I hope Santa brings you lot some sense this Christmas
Ruf, you're the best troll we have here at the caf, keep up the hilarious work mate!
thank you, the subject matter makes it very easy....but I take offence at your troll characterization (very un-Christmas like....)
Fortunately for me I'm a member of the Rest of the World.
The grass roots movement in the US is largely right and always has been. It used to be a more progressive right though - now it's largely extreme right, or ignorant right.
I've always agreed that Obama is not "change", but I'd have hoped he'd have the people's support in pursuing change. That hasn't seemed to have happened, despite getting a solid majority. That isn't a reflection on him, but the sad excuse of an electorate. If you are going to vote for something, support it. Obama winning an election wasn't change, it was an election - change is what happens when everyone works together to a common goal. The 'people' (his supporters of the day) clearly assumed he'd do all the work. Change comes from everywhere, true change has to come from everywhere. If the people aren't willing to give a little, then nothing is going to change and Obama will be left with just doing whatever he can and moving onto, probably, something much better.
Now I could be wrong - Raoul might be able to correct me on that. Regardless, unlike your previous leader, he didn't force his view through, he is working on a compromise which regardless of the result is something that your country hasn't seen in ages. That in itself is a huge positive change, in my opinion, even if I don't agree with the results of those compromises.
It's a shame you don't have more centrist views. I think I'd enjoy discussions with you if that were the case.
Merry Christmas to you as well, oh wait it's the CE forum. I'll be politically correct:
Have a Happy Significant Holiday Celebration or Restful Vacation Time.
As usual, Ruf's last post is full of unequivocal BS. The US is moving towards the left - as evidenced that it elected a liberal democrat as President by a landslide, AND widened its pre-existing majorities in the House and Senate. Now in Ruf's world that may constitute a move to the right, but for everyone who doesn't live in an alternate Universe, it is what it is. But wait there more - the key demographics are also trending Democratic, (those being newly naturalized immigrants and people hitting the voting age). More people are moving to the cities and suburbs, and guess what - they're voting Dem. Virginia, North Carolina, Indiana - all formerly Republican locks went blue in 08. Naturally, the GOP will pick up a few seats in the mid term elections, as that's what happens - the opposition party generally do well, but the GOP haven't go a clue on how to beat Obama in 2012, and so I doubt there will be anything but Democratic control for the next few years.
puhleaze ! He won because he conned the independants....they have left.
congress as a whole has its lowest rating ever. The president has the lowest 1st year popularity of any sitting president.
What is it with dems and the past ? first it was a fixation on George Bush, now its a fixation on last years election result.
How do you like healthcare reform in its present situation ? Is it what you wanted ? Why not ? Because the sane voices in the democratic party know they would be trounced next year and beyond.
NO GOVERNMENT HEALTHCARE...if the libs and their ideology are so prevalent, why is this not sailing through congress.
Enjoy your dreamworld Raoul...
Rubbish. He won because he successfully courted independents over to his side last year and he will do it again in 2012 because the GOP only have a generic Mormon and Sarah Palin to go up against him.
Lets see, I've been right about Obama so far, you haven't...ok, I'll take some of that action...how about a crisp $5 ?
For such a liberal country, why is the concept of government run healthcare such a problem ? Why do the majority of americans (be it city, immigrant, green/pink/yellow/red however you wish to label them) not support the concept ?
For such a leftist country, why is Obama safe in pursuing a war in afghanistan ?
You lot had your fun last year, the public is awake to the debacle that is democratic control of the WH and Capitol.
Republican scare tactics scaring the less intelligent citizens?
"President Obama was not very proactive. He didn't offer anything more," said delegate Thomas Negints, from Papua New Guinea. He said his country had hoped for "more on emissions, put more money on the table, take the lead."
Obama may eventually become known as "the man who killed Copenhagen," said Greenpeace U.S. Executive Director Phil Radford.
how the mighty have fallen....
Obama may eventually become known as "the man who killed Copenhagen," said Greenpeace U.S. Executive Director Phil Radford.
how the mighty have fallen...."President Obama was not very proactive. He didn't offer anything more," said delegate Thomas Negints, from Papua New Guinea. He said his country had hoped for "more on emissions, put more money on the table, take the lead."
Obama may eventually become known as "the man who killed Copenhagen," said Greenpeace U.S. Executive Director Phil Radford.
What a strange post. Are you now aligning your bugs bunny conservative views with environmental groups ?
nope, merely highlighting the fact that fellow starry eyed liberals that once had high hopes like yourself now see the reality of the myth that is Obama.
It will take you a few more months, but you will see the light eventually.
He's getting it from the left and the right, which is a testament to his governing to the center. Its highly unrealistic to expect all of the policies he campaigned on to be implemented given the Congressional problems with certain provisions in Health-care. I think he's going remarkably well, but then again i don't have an agenda that puts forth the idea that he should fail, nor should he pay back the liberal groups that helped him get elected. He's got to govern to the Center, which given the misgivings of the left and right, is a testament to his doing so.
Governing to the center is alright and all but will ruin you as a politician. Bush tried to do this in his last few years in office in order to please everyone, and his ratings dropped even more. Obama's best chance at staying in office for another term is to please the Democrats, which means that he cannot be 'moderate'
On the contrary - he won the election because he drew massive amounts of independent centrists to vote for him. His liberal base will always turn out for him because he's all they've got. He's got to be everyone's President, rather than adhere to narrow partisan lines.
I'm not a big fan of Obama, but there's no way he won't get re-elected especially if GOP puts up Palin or Romney.
It took me a while to get through all your double negatives, but Romney was leading the GOP primaries until McCain magically got some money and topped him. I think Romney (who is quite moderate) and a conservative VP such as Haley Barbour of Mississippi would make a great partnership.
Romney talks a good game but he tends to crumble when he's attacked. Plus he wears funny long johns and drinks root beer.
More proof, that for Obama its not the substance that counts, but the political opportunity to state something grandiose even when there is nothing to back it up....witness the farce that is Copenhagen and the "breakthrough" declaration
Obama: "meaningful breakthrough" on climate change - Yahoo! News
Obama: "meaningful breakthrough" on climate change - Yahoo! News
More proof, that for Obama its not the substance that counts, but the political opportunity to state something grandiose even when there is nothing to back it up....witness the farce that is Copenhagen and the "breakthrough" declaration
Obama: "meaningful breakthrough" on climate change - Yahoo! News
I'm at the point where I'm just happy he is better than the other guy.
Oh the irony.
its obviously lost on you...run along
How come you are so excited to see a US president to poorly. If Obama were a republican you'd be cringing at the thought of him doing poorly.
Perhaps you should think about the good of your country and put blind partisanship aside.
To use a phrase the Republicans love to throw at people who dissent: Support the President!
This is what always makes me chuckle, his approval rating is currently 52%, he was elected by 52.9% of the vote - so basically everyone who voted for him, everyone who voted for change is so far satisfied with him. He is seeking to do what he said he would in the election campaign so why would the 47% who didn't vote for him, who bitterly opposed him then actually support him now that he is seeking to carry his pledges out rather than when he was just talking about such policies?
Should there really be any surprise therefore his polling numbers are what they are? As he isn't sitting on the fence and is going after his cause de celebre?
Answer that for me RufRT.
This is where people with common sense sort of start looking at you with a really sad expression because they don't know whether to laugh or to cry.
Basically, if you're not one or the other, people look at you like you're an alien. Goes without saying you're not even allowed into the debate. There's really no way around it until it collapses on its own.
Got to admit the Americans take their political allegiances far to seriously now. They need to look past the politics and make their own minds up instead of having loyalty to a party akin to a football fan. Welcome up HW
Excellent posts. I think most of the more centrist americans are starting to get disgusted by this grid lock in DC. It's one of the reasons I left one of the main parties. People should stop aligning with a party and start aligning with ideals.
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