you are a fecking idiot, no president could make the current sitution look good. America is full of wankers like this...just waiting to gloat, do you know some of these inbred cnuts have transcended blame for the economy and the two wars from Bush on to Obama. Ruffart, go feck yourself you triumphalist redneck prick!
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you are a fecking idiot, no president could make the current sitution look good. America is full of wankers like this...just waiting to gloat, do you know some of these inbred cnuts have transcended blame for the economy and the two wars from Bush on to Obama. Ruffart, go feck yourself you triumphalist redneck prick!
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Well, he has a point. How many more disasters would Bush have had to create before you withheld your vote from him/his party?
Fair point but how long into BHO's administration are they going to keep falling back on the "Well Bush left us a mess" card? At some point he has to accept some things as his own. Bush didn't create the fecked up economy. He did open 2 wars, one of which was probably unnecessary. The other was always going to be a cluster feck. Just ask Obama, he's trying to figure out how to deal with it now. Not as easy when you're the one calling the shots and not making campaign speeches.
That said, even though he's not my guy, I'm willing to give him more time. Once he gets to 18 months though, the Bush excuse won't really work anymore.
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shove that in your crack pipe and smoke it
AP-GfK Poll: A grouchy public sticking with Obama - Yahoo! News
AP-GfK Poll: A grouchy public sticking with Obama
WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama still has the public approval of a majority of Americans, but he finds himself governing an increasingly pessimistic country.
This comes at a time when he is trying to revive a struggling economy, weighing more troops for the 8-year-old Afghanistan war, muscling a health care reform overhaul through Congress and hoping to push through other ambitious measures like legislation focused on climate change.
The latest Associated Press-GfK poll shows that Americans grew slightly more dispirited on a range of matters over the past month, continuing the slippage that has occurred since Obama took office.
People were more pessimistic about the direction of the country than in October. They disapproved of Obama's handling of the economy a bit more than before. And, perhaps most striking for the commander in chief, more people have lost confidence in Obama on Iraq and Afghanistan over the last month. Overall, there's a malaise about the state of the nation.
"It's in pretty bad shape," said truck driver Floyd Hacker of Granby, Mo., a Democrat who voted for Obama. "He sounded like somebody who could make things happen. I still think he can."
Still, Hacker said, he questions the president's approach to the economy, what the U.S. is trying to accomplish in Afghanistan and Obama's focus on health care, adding, "He can't handle everything at one time."
Public attitudes like that are troubling for a president trying to accomplish an ambitious agenda at home while fighting wars abroad, as well as for a Democratic Party heading into a critical election year. It will have to stave off losses that a new president typically experiences in his first midterm elections. A third of the Senate, all of the House and most governors' offices will be on the ballot.
The findings underscore just how quickly the political environment can change, a lesson for out-of-power Republicans who are buzzing with energy after booting Democrats from rule in Virginia and New Jersey governors' races last week.
It was just over a year ago that Obama won the White House in an electoral landslide and Democrats padded their congressional majorities. The country was riding high with optimism by just about all measures when Obama took office in January.
Hope and change were in vogue back then. But change didn't happen overnight, as the rhetoric of campaigning crashed headlong into the realities of governing. And hope slipped in a country that always has clung to it.
Now, Obama's approval rating stands at 54 percent, roughly the same as in October but very different from the enthusiastic 74 percent in January just before he took office. And some 56 percent of people say the country is heading in the wrong direction, an uptick from 51 percent last month and 49 percent in Obama's first month as president.
The economy is by far the most important issue on Americans' minds. Unemployment hit 10.2 percent last month even though the administration has promoted glimmers of improvement and many economists say the recession is over.
Those jobless figures help explain why as many people said the economy got worse in the past month as said it got better — and it's not many people who thought it got better, just 22 percent. Most say the economy stayed the same, and just 46 percent approve of how Obama is handling the economy, compared with 50 percent last month.
"He did good on getting Wall Street up and running. But I'm not going," said independent Jay Huffaker, 33, of Knoxville, Tenn., a construction worker who has been unemployed for a year and a half. The country is in terrible shape, he said, adding, "It seems like it's getting worse and worse and worse and worse."
The nation also has grown more lukewarm on Obama and the wars as he tries to wind down the one in Iraq and considers ramping up the one in Afghanistan.
Compared with October, 45 percent of people now disapprove of Obama's handling of Iraq, up from 37 percent; while 48 percent now disapprove of his handling of Afghanistan, up from 41 percent. A majority of Americans oppose both wars. And more than half — 54 percent — now oppose sending more troops to Afghanistan, an increase from 50 percent last month.
"We either need to do something to win the wars, or just come home," said Republican Heather Johannessen, a stay-at-home mom in the suburbs of Minnesota's Twin Cities, who thinks the U.S. is in a holding pattern in both Iraq and Afghanistan.
On health care, about half of the country approves of how Obama is doing on his signature domestic issue — virtually unchanged from October. In a major victory for Obama, the House passed a sweeping overhaul of the U.S. medical system over the weekend. But the fate of the measure is uncertain in the Senate, where moderate Democrats who are necessary for passage are balking at the cost and various provisions.
Only a third of the country approves of how Congress is doing.
The AP-GfK Poll was conducted Nov. 5-9 by GfK Roper Public Affairs and Media. It involved landline and cell phone interviews with 1,006 adults nationwide and has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3.1 percentage points.
thats fecking ridiculous, solving the financial mess the right wing left him in and the two wars americans are dying in is going to take more than a year! wise up
Why do you use BHO to refer to Obama ? Its typically only used by right wing pundits and their disciples who want cast Obama as a secret Muslim, essentially tying him to post 9/11 anti-muslim paranoia.
It's more just wind up for LABOB. I'm not a fan of Obama but I'm also not an idiot birther or any of that other nonsense. I just disagree with his politics. I'll interchange it with POTUS once in a while as well.
First off you need to learn how to read. I never said a year. Second, the financial mess you refer to had much more to do with congress (both major parties) than the right wing. If you actually think it's stricktly a right wing issue you're the one that needs to wise up. Also, the 2 wars could be over if he (Obama) really wants them to be. Instead, nothing is really happening in Iraq and he's escallating Afghanistan. I'd say at this point, the wars are now his.
Remember when all the right wing tossers were saying everbody had to get behind Bush or they were unpatriotic?
That soon changed when Obama got in.
That soon changed when Obama got in.
Wow, you really told me....did you even read the article ?
"Hope and change were in vogue back then. But change didn't happen overnight, as the rhetoric of campaigning crashed headlong into the realities of governing. And hope slipped in a country that always has clung to it.
Now, Obama's approval rating stands at 54 percent, roughly the same as in October but very different from the enthusiastic 74 percent in January just before he took office. And some 56 percent of people say the country is heading in the wrong direction, an uptick from 51 percent last month and 49 percent in Obama's first month as president."
I've voted democrat before (local and state elections)...its comes down to policies and ideas, not just party affiliation.
The so called "Blue Dog" democrats in congress would have my vote.
don't ever confront a suddenly emboldened liberal with facts Cali, right now he is busy "stuffing that in his crack pipe"
Your political views don't seem in any way centrist enough to align with anyone in the Democratic party.
He's only been in office for 11 months, trying to fix 8 years of Bush's work isn't going to happen quickly. Stupid point.
aaahhh yes, the Bush defence rears itself once again....
Yes, because 18 months is enough to unravel the 8 years of unmitigated feckup Bush had to weave into one giant knot.
I've got a brilliant idea. I'll come to your house after eating 8 pounds of Taco Bell and washing it all down with prune juice. After I vomit and shit over every inch of the room and bed, ceiling included I will give you 1/8th the time to get that room back in shape.
If you are unable mop that mess up in the "allotted" time then suddenly the burden of the problem is now yours, I am in no way shape or form responsible for bits of taco shell stuck to your roof?
Sound like a deal?
It's nothing to do with Bush defence at all. Its a simple fact that change doesn't happen in a year, it happens in a term of office.
If you seriously think that a change of party means complete change within 11 months then you're either incredibly naive or stupid.
What is this obsession with republicans in the States about "liberals"? Surely the US was fundamentally built upon liberal principles? When did it become a dirty word?
What is this obsession with republicans in the States about "liberals"? Surely the US was fundamentally built upon liberal principles? When did it become a dirty word?
When classic liberalism became something other than laissez faire economic policies and the like and went decidedly to the left of the political spectrum.
It's a strange phenomenon that only seems to have occurred in North America.
Sounds like they're just confused to me. Perhaps they need buy themselves a decent dictionary.
What is this obsession with republicans in the States about "liberals"? Surely the US was fundamentally built upon liberal principles? When did it become a dirty word?
It became a dirty word in the 1988 Presidential election. George Bush 1 was trailing Democrat Michael Dukakis by 16 points in the polls following the national convention when he began to attack Dukakis as being soft and too liberal via a series of controversial ads. Ironically, Bush's communications director at the time, was one Roger Ailes, who later became and remains to this day, the head of FoxNews. Thus you can trace this sensationalist mess back to 1988, where Conservatives lost their ability to have a sensible debate on topics because they discovered they could win slandering their opponents.
OK, I'd say on the economy - not 100% Obama owned yet but more so every day.
Afghanistan - not Obama owned but that will change with the new strategy.
Healthcare - Obama owned.
Got to give the new boy a break and 11 months isn't enough of one.
Agreed the US public is impatient though, given the clusterfeck they are having to deal with.
Did you ever see that film about Lee Atwater? It might still be on the PBS site. It is amazing in that it clearly shows the birth of the current right-wing trend of devastating your opponents on nonsense issues that mean very little but galvanize the nutters.
There is an interview with Dukakis who seems a thouroughly decent man who still can't believe what happened to him. Even Bob Dole appears and it shows how he was smeared by the Bush team during the primaries.
Never saw the film about Atwater, but i experienced the 88 Presidential campaign first hand. Bush had a "Wimp Factor" to over come, and even his Republican primary challenger, Pat Robertson labeled him a whiny loser. If not for Ailes and Atwater, he would've been trounced by Dukakis. It was the first campaign where ads really made a massive difference in the outcome, which ultimately set the tone for all future elections until the present day. The public's subsequent negative ad fatigue played a big part in them embracing Obama's positive message last year.
It's called Boogieman and is well worth watching.
I love how Bush cast himself as this fecking Texan everyman yet he didn't even know how a supermarket scanner worked! Him and his idiot son are rich New England arseholes all the way. It's amazing that people fell for the good 'ol boys crap.
Look how long it took Roosevelt to deal with your Great Depression, the President isn't responsible for public and market confidence which only has one healing agent which is time. Never has anybody been able to reverse a recession in full flow that has made 5% of GDP vanish and then claim 'the happy days are here again' in less than a year.
Also I do recall republicans in the first couple of years of the Bush Administration blamed the economic woes on supposed mishaps of Clinton during his presidency rendering Bush faultless so you cannot have it both ways.
Also I do recall republicans in the first couple of years of the Bush Administration blamed the economic woes on supposed mishaps of Clinton during his presidency rendering Bush faultless so you cannot have it both ways.
He was challenged about his Texas credentials during the 88 campaign. His response is that he has property in Texas. But of course, the Bush family probably has just as much claim to New England as they do Texas.
The Bush family made their fortune from their connections to the Nazis.
How the Bush family made its fortune from the Nazis
How the Bush family made its fortune from the Nazis
I'll at least give you one thing, you're creative.
So, I guess you're saying in 18 months we CAN'T expect that either one of Iraq or Afghanistan would be over, not to mention both (I won't even bring up the fact that he's getting ready to escalate the Afghan front). I thought that was a priority for Obama. How about closing that nasty little prison in Cuba? I'm willing to give him more time on the economy because that was always going to be a slow recovery. However, terms like "jobs created or saved" need to go away. Pretty stupid term seeing how it's completely unprovable. Pretty Bushesque really. Right up there with "WMDs" and "Mission Accomplished".
Making campaign speeches against an unpopular president is easy. Following through on your campaign rhetoric is not so easy and he's finding that out. And don't try to blame repubs for stopping him. Much of his problem is within his own party.
Iraq is out of Obama's hands at this stage as the bilateral agreement that the US and Iraqi sides signed that created the timeline for the withdrawal of US forces was agreed to before he came to office. He's simply said that the US will abide by the timeline that both sides agreed to. As of June 30th of this year, US forces are on their bases and can't go out unless the Iraqis ask for help. They will go down from 120,000 (now), to 50,000 in the summer of 2010, and finally to a complete withdrawal in 2011, as per the agreement that both countries signed. The gradual withdrawal is designed as a safeguard in case the Iraqis run into security problems along the way. In either case, Iraq is out of Obama's hands.
Interesting. I thought the SOFA was negotiated by Obama. So, here I was giving him credit for the pull out and ending of the conflict when in reality it's Bush that should get that credit.
So lets recap shall we ? Nothing original on Iraq, Guantanamo stays open, Gates stays on a Secretary of Defense, Waffling on Afghanistan, Billions of dollars spent on pork disguised as stimulus passed off as a "jobless recovery", Justice Dept continues many provisions of the Patriot Act....and another trillion dollars in spending projected over 10 years on a healthcare bill that accomplishes little except feed the ego of the Great Leader....
brilliant stuff really....
brilliant stuff really....
Interesting. I thought the SOFA was negotiated by Obama. So, here I was giving him credit for the pull out and ending of the conflict when in reality it's Bush that should get that credit.
***crickets chirping***
You forgot gurantee more money to the insurance companies, and remove a lot of peoples chances of suing them. So the rich getting richer and the poor etc yadayadda. It's exactly the same as the last encumbent.
Funny in the UK after 12 years of Labour some on the Caff and elsewhere still blame the Conservatives for the mess we're in.
as for Obama he needs at least 2 years in power before people start judging him.
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