Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

Maticmaker said:
In terms of formal Management (theory) I was once told that group development has four distinct phases;

1. Forming - the bringing together/establishment of the elements of the group that will have to deliver the end result

2. Storming- the arguments, upsets, misunderstandings of role or aims that occurs usually when new group members meet/are started to be integrated with the established group/ when new ideas are put forward.

3. Norming - when the group begins to sing from the same hymn sheet/a way forward emerges/ regular patterns are established.

4. Performing - when at last the group starts to deliver what it was set up to do.

Where are we at the moment?
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Pre Forming.
 
Garnacho Libre said:
I understand the question and I guess that's the risk.

I think the goal with my statement is the club needs an identity of how we play football. From the very young youth players even though only 1 or 2 might make it out of hundreds whom break into the first team need an exact understanding.

Recruitment has been a big thing, people who make those signings decisions need to understand exactly the type of player that is needed and able to understand how we play. Antony is one of our worst signings ever but he's not a bad player, he did great for Ajax and doing great for his new club now. But in this team playing in a system with other players who don't understand it.

I think now is the time to get through the storm and put the needs of the clubs identity first, not trying to come up with a make shift style of play to suit 6 out of the 11 players.

I'm no expert but that's just my own way of thinking because the changing of managers and spending millions on players who will have a different manager every few years with a new style of play, how do we expect that to work? It's no longer feasible.


INEOS are getting stick and maybe rightly so. They have made a lot of harsh decisions. Letting go of common people and paying fortunes for players who aren't great, it is frustrating. They chased Ashworth for months only for him to leave a few months later.


Hopefully everything going on now is the worst of that storm and in time the decisions make sense. It's like they are trying to weed out a big garden before they can make it beautiful again.
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I don't disagree. Now I could be wrong but to me it looks like they are repeating the cycle we had under Woodward where the club's style is simply the new managers style.

Will Ruben Amorims style now be the United style going forward even if he's sacked or will we change again with a new manager?

The club's plan was to stick with Ten Hag last summer even though Amorim was available. So I have to wonder what happened between July and October that Amorim and his 343 suddenly became the way forward.
 
Is this suffering he was talking about? losing every other weeks and hovering in the middle of bottom half of the table?

and what's with random injuries?

The results feels like they keep getting worse and worse as we go, especially in the league.
 
The mirror :lol: .He isn't going anywhere. It's almost as if everybody thinks he walked into the job not knowing how bad things were.
He's been telling us from day one this was going to be a struggle.
 
Joseunited said:
The mirror :lol: .He isn't going anywhere. It's almost as if everybody thinks he walked into the job not knowing how bad things were.
He's been telling us from day one this was going to be a struggle.
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Of course he's not going anywhere.

But it's also possible he vastly underestimated the difficulty of the job he walked into.

Same way we thought things will get a bit worse before getting better but no one really expected to be a deserving 15th in the table at this stage.
 
Marwood said:
That's a very odd way of praising a manager who had us in 12th and on a downward trajectory. Caused in part by the players he signed.

ETH can't be getting any credit for what he did this season. That's mental.
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It's not praise for Ten Hag it's an indictment on how bad we've been since we sacked him on an even steeper downward trajectory
 
A billion pounds in debt and we are going around in circles talking about managers.

Bar probably SAF himself, no manager can save this club until the leeches + Sineos are out.
 
Woziak said:
Then he can walk out if his contract, that means the club doesn’t have to pay him off another two years contracts, there’s also more BS from the same media outlets saying that INEOS are planing replacing him with. Xavi or ZIDANE , in other words total SPINEOS to deflect from the turmoil the club is current in, under their control of sporting issues!
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Props for "SPINEOS". Sir Spin Ratfcliffe of SPINEOS.
 
Maticmaker said:
In terms of formal Management (theory) I was once told that group development has four distinct phases;

1. Forming - the bringing together/establishment of the elements of the group that will have to deliver the end result

2. Storming- the arguments, upsets, misunderstandings of role or aims that occurs usually when new group members meet/are started to be integrated with the established group/ when new ideas are put forward.

3. Norming - when the group begins to sing from the same hymn sheet/a way forward emerges/ regular patterns are established.

4. Performing - when at last the group starts to deliver what it was set up to do.

Where are we at the moment?
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We're very much still in the storming phase
 
Joseunited said:
The mirror :lol: .He isn't going anywhere. It's almost as if everybody thinks he walked into the job not knowing how bad things were.
He's been telling us from day one this was going to be a struggle.
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That's why I doubt there's a chance he gets sacked this season.

He wouldn't have agreed to join midseason in a crisis instead of in the summer like he preferred if there was any chance that he'd be let go before getting a proper go.

Would like to imagine he has guarantees written into his contract to avoid that sort of thing.

Everything has been unfolding more or less exactly how he laid it out from the offset so he definitely knew what he was signing up for and I doubt he would walk on his own unless we see a major breakdown between him and the INEOS cronies.
 
Maticmaker said:
In terms of formal Management (theory) I was once told that group development has four distinct phases;

1. Forming - the bringing together/establishment of the elements of the group that will have to deliver the end result

2. Storming- the arguments, upsets, misunderstandings of role or aims that occurs usually when new group members meet/are started to be integrated with the established group/ when new ideas are put forward.

3. Norming - when the group begins to sing from the same hymn sheet/a way forward emerges/ regular patterns are established.

4. Performing - when at last the group starts to deliver what it was set up to do.

Where are we at the moment?
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0. Failing.
 
Rolaholic said:
That's why I doubt there's a chance he gets sacked this season.

He wouldn't have agreed to join midseason in a crisis instead of in the summer like he preferred if there was any chance that he'd be let go before getting a proper go.

Would like to imagine he has guarantees written into his contract to avoid that sort of thing.

Everything has been unfolding more or less exactly how he laid it out from the offset so he definitely knew what he was signing up for and I doubt he would walk on his own unless we see a major breakdown between him and the INEOS cronies.
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I doubt it. The "guarantees" are the nice bit of severance he would collect if the club were to sack him.

I don't believe managers normally have explicit clauses written into their contract like "as long as you finish 17th or higher in the current season you won't be sacked".
 
stevoc said:
I don't disagree. Now I could be wrong but to me it looks like they are repeating the cycle we had under Woodward where the club's style is simply the new managers style.

Will Ruben Amorims style now be the United style going forward even if he's sacked or will we change again with a new manager?

The club's plan was to stick with Ten Hag last summer even though Amorim was available. So I have to wonder what happened between July and October that Amorim and his 343 suddenly became the way forward.
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I hope that's not the case. I don't see how anything long term can be achieved.

If he was to be sacked this season then yes I think they would be looking at trying to change the style of play again. It's been a merry go round!

I was one of few on here who wanted to keep Ten Hag. However, they should have sacked him in the summer before signings or stuck with him for all of this season. One or the other.

The club would be crazy to sack Ruben. They forced him to come when he did, no transfer window signings at all (aside from one) and an inherited squad of players that just don't understand or aren't capable of playing 343.
 
Garethw said:
A few rumours going about that he wants out and that he is not happy with Jim and his cronies.

I wouldn’t blame him at all if he does want out.
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I never know what to believe and what not to these days, ive just seen claims on Twitter that the club has already drawn up a list of replacements for him but its probably nonsence from people looking for clicks.
 
Rozay said:
I am no coach, but from my eyes, his performance against a Sorry Spurs Side was totally ridiculous. He seems to have no feel for the game in front of him and is above all concerned with the preservation of his ideals.

Why on earth would you have 3 centre halves against nobody, while having 2 centre midfielders (and even that is being generous) against everybody? Spurs were walking through our team time and time again, and all he saw fit to offer a resistance was Casemiro and then Bruno somewhere 30 yards away. Meanwhile Spurs had Tel playing nominally as a centre forward and 3 centre halves occupying nothing but space. Take one centre half off and add a third midfielder and start directing traffic the right way.
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I though we were the better team against Spurs. They had most of the ball but we created loads of chances, and all that with 12 senior players. Wrong game for criticism if you ask me.
 
Leftback99 said:
It's a bottom half team that Ten Hag built, getting bottom half results. Good luck to Amorim or anyone until we have better players.

Ten Hag fluking 8th with it doesn't change it's quality.
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Spot on. We've been a bottom half team since the league Cup final in 2023
 
Leftback99 said:
It's a bottom half team that Ten Hag built, getting bottom half results. Good luck to Amorim or anyone until we have better players.

Ten Hag fluking 8th with it doesn't change it's quality.
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This is nonsence, we finished 8th last year with a squad that was wrecked by injuries all season long and 3rd the season before so to say this is a bottom half team is ridiculous
 
RedRocket9908 said:
This is nonsence, we finished 8th last year with a squad that was wrecked by injuries all season long and 3rd the season before so to say this is a bottom half team is ridiculous
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Agree completely. We are not a bottom half team, but a top 6 team performing like a bottom half team.
 
stevoc said:
I don't disagree. Now I could be wrong but to me it looks like they are repeating the cycle we had under Woodward where the club's style is simply the new managers style.

Will Ruben Amorims style now be the United style going forward even if he's sacked or will we change again with a new manager?

The club's plan was to stick with Ten Hag last summer even though Amorim was available. So I have to wonder what happened between July and October that Amorim and his 343 suddenly became the way forward.
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Berrada came in with the information that Man City were interested in Amorim so they probably thought it would be a massive coup to get in first.
 
NLunited said:
Agree completely. We are not a bottom half team, but a top 6 team performing like a bottom half team.
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I'm curious as to what exactly this team has shown us in the last 2 years that says 'top 6 team'?

Maybe in brand name but definitely nothing on the pitch...
 
RedRocket9908 said:
This is nonsence, we finished 8th last year with a squad that was wrecked by injuries all season long and 3rd the season before so to say this is a bottom half team is ridiculous
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NLunited said:
Agree completely. We are not a bottom half team, but a top 6 team performing like a bottom half team.
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Do you guys realise that we were literally a bottom half team when Amorim took over? And that was this season. Which is obviously a far more accurate measure of where we are than last season, when we had a different squad of players.
 
Rolaholic said:
My mistake when I meant the last 2 seasons, what has happened since that finish?
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I don't necessarily believe that we're a top 6 team, but I don't see this squad worse than say 10th. The fact ETH struggled to achieve that and was rightfully sacked doesn't really change that for me
 
Marwood said:
That's a very odd way of praising a manager who had us in 12th and on a downward trajectory. Caused in part by the players he signed.

ETH can't be getting any credit for what he did this season. That's mental.
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I’m thinking he actually meant RVN as he got points on the board that are pretty the difference between us and the relegation zone
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Thanks to a load of goals from Marcus Rashford and a string of important performances from two years younger versions of Casemiro, Eriksen and Varane. Oh and Luke Shaw played 31 league games that season.

Why do you lot keep ignoring the passage of time?
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I didn't, the poster asked specifically what this squad did the last two years
 
We don't have a better first XI than:

City
Liverpool
Arsenal
Newcastle
Villa
Spurs
Forest
Brighton
Chelsea
Bournemouth

Convince me otherwise?
 
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