Yep because those lazy players made coaches change to their style to get the best out of them.
Glad Wilcox, Berrada and co have shipped them out after one window.
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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Yep because those lazy players made coaches change to their style to get the best out of them.
Glad Wilcox, Berrada and co have shipped them out after one window.
My main priority for a new manager was a culture reset. Looks like we are prioritising that.
Crucial to avoid relegation and I think we are safe enough there. A cup run would be a nice bonus. Would like to see Bruno go in the summer, I can’t see any possibility of him in our next title challenging team and we should get good money for him. Next year would love to see a hungry, proud team fighting for each other, the manager and the fans. Year after that back to at least top 6 with a young improving team and I’m happy.
Crucial to avoid relegation and I think we are safe enough there. A cup run would be a nice bonus. Would like to see Bruno go in the summer, I can’t see any possibility of him in our next title challenging team and we should get good money for him. Next year would love to see a hungry, proud team fighting for each other, the manager and the fans. Year after that back to at least top 6 with a young improving team and I’m happy.
And be sacked few months into next season? What have we learned from keeping ETH last summer ?
This is the crazy thing about my own post and I hope you're sitting down when you read this. But before we go there, here is the definition of "tumescent"", as you seen to be already aware:
swollen or becoming swollen, especially as a response to sexual arousal.
When I typed my post I really did type the word "tumescent", not "tumescent". But "tumescent" appeared in my post, so I believed that I actually must have typed "tumescent", wrongly believing I had typed the word "tumescent". No problem...I'll just edit my post to correct my error -- although it has been a very long time since the word "tumescent" had crossed my mind so I was curious (in the nonsexual sense of course) how this could have happened.
This is the strange part: when I edited my post I was careful to delete "tumescent" and replace it with "tumescent", but after I saved the edited post, the word "tumescent" refused to yield to "tumescent", but I swear on a stack of bibles that I actually did what I claim right here that I did.
I cannot explain this.
LVG's football was "tumescent", not "tumescent", by design. It was absurd how unwatchable we were during LVG's tenure as United manager.
Absolutely, I’m not saying we shouldn’t spend money in the Summer, of course we should.
I’m saying we shouldn’t be backing him blind with a full new complement of players for his system.
I think buying him a wingback in January at a reasonable cost was a good start, and then I’d say we as a club should buy a top class CM & a top class CF in the Summer regardless. These should 100% be club picks, and not manager picks. Players capable of playing in Amorim’s system but also in a regular 4-3-3.
Then it’s up to Amorim to show he deserves money for a couple more specialist positions, by earning it with results and performances.
So let’s say we somehow fluke our way to either or both of the cup finals. Does everyone want Amorim to persist with his favorite set up, or would they prefer he uses the players he has in the most effective manner possible in order to win the trophy?
I would say win at all costs if we get to the cup finals. Those advocating for a free hit until summer, what say you? If he doesn’t have the tactical flexibility and nous to win the finals, then what?
I would say win at all costs if we get to the cup finals. Those advocating for a free hit until summer, what say you? If he doesn’t have the tactical flexibility and nous to win the finals, then what?
I believe he needs to show that now till end of the season results can be up and down but performance needs to be there thats shows how with new additions things can translate into more consistent results with further improvement in performances .
But I am not demanding they spend blindly either and certainly not for a manager either. I said that
a- they should go for 5-7 players something the Glazers had struggled with.
b- they have to spend wisely
c- they must also sell wisely rather then handing academy players almost on a free.
I also said that if Amorim suggest bringing half of Sporting/Portugal to Manchester then that's a massive red flag that he might not good be enough. Buying teacher's pets is a very Glazer thing to do.
Having said that
a- we're not digging ourselves out of this hole without investing big
b- managers should be evaluated PRIOR to him being signed with us rather then afterwards
c- once we bring in a manager then he must be properly supported especially one whose system is completely different to that of the previous manager.
After all these years, the redcafe detectives crew finally uncovered the reason for all Man United problems - Ruben Amorim, and also the solution to all Man United problems - sack him 3 months into the job.
Bravo, you maestros!
Bravo, you maestros!
Onana
Maz--MDL--Maguire
Amad--Ugarte--Eriksen--Dorgu
Bruno--Mainoo
Zirkzee
Think this is our best team now. As long as we keep playing players in their best roles(Maz as RCB, Amad ar RWB, Mainoo not as a #9, Dalot not on the left), I will gain more trust in him.Maz--MDL--Maguire
Amad--Ugarte--Eriksen--Dorgu
Bruno--Mainoo
Zirkzee
Sensible this except on Bruno. Think he has come on leaps and bounds in discipline since Ruben came in. Unless we get 100m, I wouldn't sell him.
While no one has been a storming success, all out permanent managers, bar Moyes have had a relative degree of success. LVG had a decent first season, implemented a style of play and won an FA Cup. Jose won two trophies and got us a second place finish. Ole made a EL final, some decent cup runs and a second place finish. ETH got a 3rd place finish and won a couple of cup competitions.
None of them ended well and we probably should have acted sooner but our managers/players have had some success, it's the consistency across seasons which has been the issue imo.
Who said this?
Lets be fair here Amorim would have been part of the decision making process. He chose not to play Rashford since November and barely played Antony, so what has he lost really?
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Rumour is the club pre Ten Hag valued him at around £30m and Solskjaer/the club at the time declined to pursue him. Yet a year later we signed him for £85m, even though earlier in that very same window we chose not to pursue him when he was available for less.
Fair point.
So avoid relegation this year, next year mid-table, hopefully top 6 year after that. What's the aim for 27/28, solid challenge for top 4? Then maybe a title challenge by 2030?
For the first time ever, we are cleaning house before bringing new players in to corrupt them.
Its the right way to do it, yes, we will have bad results. Our league season is over anyway, so whilst we all would have loved to get signings in January, why panic and overpay when we can take our time going for the right player?
Spurs have paid 10m euros to get Tel on loan, financially, that deal would make no sense to us.
I rather we suffer short term and get our FFP situation sorted, this hopefully gives us the summer.
This also gives Amorim more time to work with the current players, he has to improve some of them. He can have a look at the youth players, are any good enough to step up.
For example, Arsenal have signed LB/RB almost every season, if Arteta knew that Lewis Skelly was breaking through, he would have spent that Califori money on a ST.
A lot of sensationalists in here these days. He isn't getting sacked guys, I know you're excited at the prospect because you need someone to blame and be responsible for the position we're in, but the board just aren't going to sack him until they've had the chance to support him. Then they can say they gave him the tools to be successful, right now they can't say that so they're culpable for this mess and they know exactly how it will be spun if they were to panic and sack him.
There's every chance he's gone in the summer if he keeps up this terrible form. Very unlikely before that though in my opinion
We need to clear the old deadwood, new manager with a new ForumNation
Not sure what the bit about corrupting players means but claiming we are clearing house is a stretch. Rashford, Antony and malacia have gone out on loans. It will be far harder to work out permanent moves for them. We are probably stuck with Shaw, mount and Casemiro for at least another year due to the size of their contracts
I still suspect we will only bring in around four players in the summer which will leave us with a piss poor squad
Anyone who thinks our malaise is due to the guy who just turned up, despite being in pathetic position for years needs to get a reality check on their gullibility.
Literally no one.
But it's just too much fun to argue with a completely made up person online.
“I’m not crazy! You’re the one who’s crazy!” — Crazy Person
You must be crazy to think that!
What if our leage position/form stays as it is now? Will he go before or at seasons end do we think?
so true.This is a wierd thread. The club is a mess, I really question it will ever be competitive with the Glazers in charge. Amorim has been given a nightmare task and it might simply be beyond him. My concern is he is a fixed system manager, though apparently his system is not so fixed that he can start a match with no forwards. The best managers adapt, I cannot really think of a system manager in the game's most successful apart from Pep, but he is a manager who prizes fluidity and is adaptable. Amorim's system is also one that is really rare in top level football, and personally I am not a fan of a system that means we will always have a majority of outfied players who are primarily defensive. We dont have the funds to rebuild the squad and some of the deadwood may be around the place for some time yet. So the question is can he get the most of what he has at hand, and so far the answer is not good. This isnt wanting him to be sacked, its ackowleding reality. He was a bad fit for the club at this time and that may be his undoing. Time will tell.
He needs to use the players he has in a system they know until the end of the year - he can get his own players in then maybe!
At the very least, he needs to stop losing home games! Despite having 3 defenders, we look far too exposed down the middle because one of the three CBs has to push up in this system, which means the opposition can easily get at us with a simply through ball between the lines. We'd be far better off with 2 cbs and 2 defensive mids (ugarte and casemiro). But Mr 'my system shall never change' wont budge. So here we are.
It's crazy that he isn't telling the players to do this.
Would it not mean that if the team comes to EL final, that they are adapting to his system?
Would you say going unbeaten in the EL so far showed that?
He won't be unless they're totally unconvinced his system isn't going to work in the PL and therefore they don't want to buy players that will fit his ideas. That's the only way he goes, otherwise they're going to back him in the summer and judge him next season with better players.
ok.
Not just aimed at Amorim, but I don't get the whole buy players to suit his system.
I know they are old now but if you have a messi or a Ronaldo in a team you take over do you sell them if they don't suit your system? Or do you play a system to suit the player?
I'm all for managers having a plan. But I don't get why you can't adjust that to suit what's at hand.
He was hand picked by the CEO and the now de facto sporting director. I guarantee he will be here next season unless something goes drastically wrong. There's no way the club are blaming him for the position we are in, Ratcliffe knows he fecked up by not sticking with the decision to sack ten Hag last summer. Amorim wont be sacked before he's had a proper transfer window.
I just counted and outside goalkeepers we have 17 first team players available fit. There's 4 centre backs, 3 fullback/wingback, 6 midfielders including Casemiro, Bruno and Toby and 4 attackers.
Not counting :Shaw, Mount and Evans
Every week we are out muscled and physically bullied so I am really scared to see what would happen when these players have to play literally every game from now on.
Not counting :Shaw, Mount and Evans
Every week we are out muscled and physically bullied so I am really scared to see what would happen when these players have to play literally every game from now on.