That doesn't make any sense. An interim would've been cheaper than Amorim
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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You are assuming that they have functioning brains.
That's because the Glazers succeeded in changing the fans mentality to mediocrity, ending it with successfully adding another owner who is also known for his mediocre ownership of mediocre/relegation football clubs.
He's not wrong. He's had a shite squad sold out from underneath him and no replacements brought in. I know some of you believe he should be winning every game but your precious Ten Hag couldn't do it even with his first choice players being signed to support his system and ideas. This guy or anyone else for that matter doesn't stand a chance at the moment.
I am, but I'm mostly just hoping there's some sort of plan or justification for this current situation. I can't think of anyone else that has ever found themselves in this situation at a big club.
How is Amorim + interim cheaper than just Amorim?
Why would we have to pay Amorim's wages if he's still at Sporting?
They would still have to pay his buyout fee + the interims wages and leaving fee. Plus he might not even have been available at the end of the season if we finished 12th and someone else came knocking.
What’s a ‘leaving fee’ for an interim?
What leaving fee for an interim? We would've paid the interims salary which would very likely have been lower than Amorim's, that it.
It was a panic decision, not a financial one
There is no plan, we are led by idiots who wasted money on ETH when it wasn't needed and then decided to spend big money in the transfer window for players that fit with ETH(and are all bang average without exception), just to sack ETH in late October and replace him by a manager that uses a completely different system that requires lots of specialists. They managed to waste all the money and time that could be possibly wasted for no good reason other than "But we won the FA Cup".
No we didn't add a few players on top, we bought almost an entirely new squad. We started the season with only Shaw, Dalot, Maguire, Lindelof, Bruno and Rashford.
I don't see us being able to afford that sort of turnover again any time soon.
'Best in class.'
Whatever they agree to take a short term role. You think they're just going to come in to a shit show for some wages? When you call in help they usually don't leave without a payoff. Big Sam got a £1m when he came into Leeds, up to £3m-£4m if he saved them from relegation. There has to be an incentive to put your name on a shit show.
It's just such an annoying phrase, and am really tired of hearing it. You're right that it almost gives the Glazers a reason to continue destroying the club, because if results don't matter anymore they're happy out.
All but 6 or 7 of them were brought in or promoted by Ten Hag.
And secondly I don't see us being able to afford another extensive rebuild considering we just did one. So Amorim will have to make do with most of these players.
No idea. It’s just not something I’ve heard of before. I assumed that it United had offered Ruud an interim role for the remainder of the season, they would have simply agreed a wage for that time period.
Yep it's like Groundhog day. Every new manager that comes in has got to build his own squad (to varying extents) and pretty much every time it's set us back.
Trying to figure out your logic.
Possibly for Ruud, I don't know? But there's no incentive to potentially ruin your career for three months salary. There would be some sort of pay off + bonus at the end to make it worth it. Apparently we paid out £24.7m to Ole and Rangnick (combined).
what if we go down?He hasn't played one of them since November and the other one was Antony. So he hasn't lost much.
This is the main problem that Amorim has as in his own words he will play his system to the very end so there’s no budging his end but at the same time it could take 3 years to get a squad he’d be happy with system wise (that’s not saying his ideal quality wise and simply system wise) as we don’t have the money yet if things continue he won’t get until Christmas let alone 3 years.
I’ll be very surprised if Villa pay £40 million for Rashford and surprised if anyone pays more than £20 million when his wages are included into the equation so unless Rashford goes to Saudi in the summer I think it’s likely a loan unless Amorim ends up paying for Ineos mistakes and goes before Rashford
Even with Casemiro, Sancho, Eriksen, Lindelof and Malacia all go you have to factor in whether the ones still in contract will cover their book value as far as PSR is concerned let alone it adding to our summer transfer fund and then there’s PSR factoring in the money used to pay of ETH and his staff then bringing in Amorim and his staff
This squad finished 8th last season with a pretty bad injury crisis. It's not that bad.
In a different system? We should have just kept Ten Hag. I mean we signed all the players he said he needed to win games in his system, now we've fired him with players suited to his system and brought in a guy who has a totally different system.
We have a thin and poor squad and yet send 2 players (poor ones, but still) out on loan without any replacement. What could possibly go wrong... RA will have a hell of a second season
Liverpool did it for about 30 years. A promising start and they were winning everything, this was quickly followed by a blip, then they were building for next year and next year will be out year.
Utd are in that situation now, so it's just become normalised. Eventually the club will get back to the top, but it's not going to be an easy ride, regardless of who the manager is for the next few years.
Boy, I have respect that he's here and still fighting. I hate the term "managers walking" because they never do financially and no manager really walk out of clubs in reality.
But apart from money , what's the point of being at united at this point? I literally see no big progress happening for years and years.
Few bigger teams are levels ahead of us
Teams will keep improving better than us because they're better off financially - we can't keep up and catch up
10-12 pl teams are head of us now in terms of squad/players
We're financially in a mess
It'll take 3-5 years to maybe be somewhere IF recruitment is right and the young potential we;re investing in turn world class
It's just looking bleak, I support united so I still think being a manager is a privilege at a club like Manutd. But if I wasn't a supporter, I'd feck off somewhere else and earn the money in another club, this job is a curse and not worth it, so fair play to him.
But apart from money , what's the point of being at united at this point? I literally see no big progress happening for years and years.
Few bigger teams are levels ahead of us
Teams will keep improving better than us because they're better off financially - we can't keep up and catch up
10-12 pl teams are head of us now in terms of squad/players
We're financially in a mess
It'll take 3-5 years to maybe be somewhere IF recruitment is right and the young potential we;re investing in turn world class
It's just looking bleak, I support united so I still think being a manager is a privilege at a club like Manutd. But if I wasn't a supporter, I'd feck off somewhere else and earn the money in another club, this job is a curse and not worth it, so fair play to him.
I imagine he disagrees
Every manager we've had since Fergie would disagree and I guess every manager has that ego who think they can be the one to change us
Is it ego for a man who's shown himself to be a talented football manager to think he can develop a good team if given time and players?
I reckon it's a pretty reasonable thought. I doubt he's quite as frantic and panicky as a lot of folk on here.
What's your reason for this assessment of Mainoo?
Amorim backs himself to succeed here. He turned sporting around. Let’s give him the summer to get his players. Gyokeres will lead us to success next year when he’s banging them in.
Whoever turns it around will literally be a god to the biggest fan base in world football. All managers are ego maniacs, they probably all think they can be the 'one'
Also PSR is short term, we churn out money even in a bad year, contracts are way better now and we have guaranteed sales/hopefully other contracts leaving.
Well he has belief in himself, so that's ego in a good way.
I have to say he does deserve the respect because he now has it the hardest compared to all the managers before him. We're literally rock bottom and the worse off, it'll take some doing to get us to the top to be fair.
It's not like we don't have a core of extremely talented young players who can be moulded into top players over time if given the right support
Nah, we're far worse than Liverpool have ever been, and when at their worst they had much higher standards. They almost won a title under Brenden Rodgers before Klopp came in. They were always competitive in Europe too and usually had a top striker playing for them be it Torres or Suarez. We haven't been anywhere near challenging for a title or CL in over a decade.
His football also seems a bit boring doesn't it? Yesterday for example (and even in all our games at OT), how many times do we pass the ball between the defenders? feck me, just lob it forward, do something with it! Just holding on to possession at the back, like LVG incarnated
I think that's true but also you'd hope that an appropriate level of patience goes along with that.
Football also changes quickly as we have seen many times.
He doesn't deserve particular respect until he actually does something. Not that he should be disrespected but respect for a manager should be earned.