It always was.
Ok so how long will you give him? I’ve already stated I like him BUT he can’t hide behind not having the players or time to train forever.
chef's kiss
The fact they didn't interview him in the summer because of his style and our squad, then decide in November he is the one with the same squad that does not suit his style. They need to keep him and build a team for the style otherwise they will look a bunch of blithering idiots.
That's the elephant in the room though, isn't it? His system requires significant investment to make it work, but the club is broke so (through no fault of his own) he's mostly going to have to make do with what he's got.
No, you have to look long term. We’re talking about a rebuild over 3-4 years here. Our squad will look very different by then.
That's my point. 3-4 years is a long time. Until then, he's going to have to largely make do with the squad as it currently exists. What are the short- and medium-term objectives? Has INEOS even considered those, or are they just winging it completely like Woodward / Murtough / Arnold would have?
He'll be long long gone if the doesn't manage to get a tune out of the current squad
Good to see you have come to that conclusion after two transfer windows of full sporting control, one of which was largely considered successful at the time. A Rashford sale at £40mil next summer alone opens up the door for a few high-fee transfers on reasonable wages. Factor in the loss of Lindelof, Eriksen at the end of their contracts and others like Malacia, Casemiro and Sancho being sold off, and we are still in position for another 5 or 6 additions in the summer if it is deemed necessary.
You suspect they are. That we could be completely in the wilderness for a while until it all clicks, they have to realise a couple of summer signings might not do the trick. It will improve things, but not solve everything.
Why would they consider the medium objectives? There should only be one objective at this club and that’s to win the Premier League. The reality is after 12 years of mismanagement that will take a minimum of 3-4 years.
A lot of fans, especially if you go to the old Trafford games, are starting to see his severe lack of PL experience as a huge weakness.
Every competently-run organization has short-, medium-, and long-term objectives. How are you going to accurately measure progress against your long-term objective (in this case, winning the PL) if you don't know how you're doing in the shorter term?
Well yes but I’m sure there will be steady progress. You were complaining about how we’re broke so he’s going to have to make do with what he’s got. I bet there will be several new faces next year who will be bought to fit into his system, and likely an improvement. We still have to accept that it’s not realistic to expect a title challenge.
You would think short term would be points increase, goals increase, less goals conceded. Which with right signings should be easily achievable. Then you look at European qualification while also increasing the numbers I mentioned in the short term objectives. Then you have to look at CL qualification. Then challenging for the title. They will need European football at some point for the money it generates. Unless we win a cup this year, we are not getting European football, so it is how long they can let that drag on.
yeah it's been truly awful.
Think get the WB's sorted, a striker, a creative midfielder should help. The WB situation we also need backups, because if the ones we use are working it is no good if one or either get injured and the replacement is rubbish. Not sure about the goalkeeper.
At least he has a couple of weeks now where he can work with the players. Agree that he has to chose his first eleven and stick to it barring injuries.
Oh I agree. I see small positives in the way we play and as long as that continues, he gets a pass. If we've not progressed by the summer, or we've reverted to the same tactics ten-hag resorted too, get rid and get someone else in before pre-season.
Think he's doing the short term objective, getting rid of high earners n not good enough players
Ah I see what I’m dealing with now. Nevermind
These are wild takes, I can't understand where they're coming from unless its a place of fear. They've written the season off, the manager won't be blamed for anything that happens past this point as long as he keeps saying and doing the right things, and his teams are competitive*.
The best part is, I remember people saying that giving Ten Hag time, like Arsenal gave Arteta, or United gave Fergie, meant he would ultimately be a success. Now the new manager is having the squad sold from underneath him and no replacements and people are saying he should be sacked. Does anyone know what they really want or are you all too soft to suffer for a bit?
It would clear a lot of rubbish posters to be fair
I think it's pretty clear at this point they wanted Amorim in early because they didn't want to pay off an interim for the rest of the season. There's no reason to do this to an actual manager in his first half season unless they're not judging him on anything that happens until next season.
