I'm not interested in more excuses for these players. I'd rather see most of them leave before they throw another manager under the bus by packing up their tools. Pathetic.
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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Worse than Wolves?
The game’s not over yet, but the reality is that Amorim will ultimately be judged on performances and results—and so far, we’ve yet to see anything truly convincing since his arrival. I understand he’s trying something completely new, and these things take time, but some of the decisions tonight were definitely questionable.
Yes, we’ve had players out, but it doesn’t take a tactical genius to see that pairing Eriksen with Casemiro wasn’t the best choice. Playing Zirkzee as a 10 and deploying De Ligt as a wide center-back are decisions I would have thought Amorim wouldn’t need to be cautioned against.
Now, before anyone twists my words, let me be clear: I’m not for a second suggesting Amorim isn’t good enough. I’m a firm believer in him and his potential. But as things stand, I can only critique what’s in front of me.
Yes, we’ve had players out, but it doesn’t take a tactical genius to see that pairing Eriksen with Casemiro wasn’t the best choice. Playing Zirkzee as a 10 and deploying De Ligt as a wide center-back are decisions I would have thought Amorim wouldn’t need to be cautioned against.
Now, before anyone twists my words, let me be clear: I’m not for a second suggesting Amorim isn’t good enough. I’m a firm believer in him and his potential. But as things stand, I can only critique what’s in front of me.
I can't watch this game, but it's not sounding good. I'm currently hoping that it gets better once we only play once per week again so they get some more time on the training pitch together. And hopefully we can shake the squad up a bit in January.
You could gave taken about 8 of the players off, they were all that bad. That's my point obviously.
There's some real PTSD with this player group unfortunately, and that's because we've repeatedly let the club get humiliated. I genuinely think that 5-0 at OT permanently scarred the club, and we've only let the scars get deeper since then with the other humiliations we've suffered since.
Just fyi the Ruud obsession here is ridiculous, he played mostly easier opposition and those games were boring and still had problems. Also, no Ugarte today, does that mean Ruud will struggle? Let's be real if you're watching the game formation isn't a problem when the players are not even doing the absolute basics, the passing is atrocious - it's the exact same we've been witnessing it for so long
2nd place and a EL Final, though.
Amorim said things might get worse before becoming better. And people understood, but I guess people are realizing now how hard it is to go through the worse part.
You've been warned that Amorim is stubborn. It's his way until the end, I don't see him changing things. He only knows his 3-4-3 tactics and dynamics, I guess he would be in uncharted territory for him, to change tactics.
He complains he has no time to train. And the official games aren't really training... So I see no point in keeping his system, if it's not to get better. He has no time to really teach his players nor he has enough players suitable for his model. I think he would need at least 7-8 new players to actually make this work.
But he's young and maybe these defeats will make him come back down to earth and try to change things. But I doubt it.
You've been warned that Amorim is stubborn. It's his way until the end, I don't see him changing things. He only knows his 3-4-3 tactics and dynamics, I guess he would be in uncharted territory for him, to change tactics.
He complains he has no time to train. And the official games aren't really training... So I see no point in keeping his system, if it's not to get better. He has no time to really teach his players nor he has enough players suitable for his model. I think he would need at least 7-8 new players to actually make this work.
But he's young and maybe these defeats will make him come back down to earth and try to change things. But I doubt it.
Its not the system. With fullbacks who are shit at attacking and piss weak midfield what formation is going to heal that? Look at Newcastle, people cream themselves about Amads workrate, look at Gordon, he is delivering the same workrate. It is a bad game to miss Ugarte in midfield and playing Eriksen is kind of a joke but at the same time, the options are restricted. Don't get all the whining about positioning, we conceded two plain and simple cross-header combinations today
It's the opposite of ten Hag. We signed him for the football he got Ajax playing, and them he never attempted to get us playing that way here, which we all complained about.
Now, we've signed Amorim for the football he got Sporting playing and we want him to immediately change what got him the job in the first place.
I'd much rather he stuck to his guns, weed out the players who just don't fit, and potentially kick on next season.
Scapegoated? He wasn’t the one who can’t defend or acting like a statue on the line, but we improved when he went off and when he was on he might as we’ll have been wearing a Newcastle shirt. He’s shite, he’s been shite since he arrived, he’s scapegoating himself by playing shite every time he gets a run out.We improved Vs Bournemouth as well when 3 nil down. We will see some 'encouraging stats' later on.
I'm starting to get worried here: he's been handed a horrible squad, none of them signed by him and barely anyone suited to his system - you haven't a hope with Casemiro - an absolute disgrace - and Eriksen in your midfield, combined age 64, a 5ft 9 centre-half, who constantly gets beaten in the air, no wingbacks and no sort of striker. Not that we've created many chances in the last few games.
We'll get thrashed by Liverpool and lose badly to Arsenal before it might, just might, start getting a little bit better, if we can bring in a couple of decent additions. Even so, we're heading for a bottom half finish.
It's grim but he needs to get backed to get rid of most of these players, get a chance to recruit better and be given some time.
We'll get thrashed by Liverpool and lose badly to Arsenal before it might, just might, start getting a little bit better, if we can bring in a couple of decent additions. Even so, we're heading for a bottom half finish.
It's grim but he needs to get backed to get rid of most of these players, get a chance to recruit better and be given some time.
We want him to change something that is literally going to get us relegated.
Starting Casemiro and Eriksen was just criminal. Casemiro needs to end it's already fully tried.
We need about 8 to 10 signings in the summer. Everyone signed under ten hag and Ole need to go
Right there with you
I'd take lower mid-table mediocrity for a few seasons blooding youth players rather than letting this lot destroy any future we have. The squad is rotten.
I don't care about posturing. If he can help us out I'd take it. For 300k a week!
Tonight's game is a shambles, I have no problem agreeing with you on that.
Overall, though, there has been an improvement, I don't think that's debatable.
Ineos has completely and utterly fecked our season. Insisting on Amorim joining now rather than in the summer was one of the stupidest decisions they’ve made.
I don't care about Zirkzee one bit I agree he is not good enough, I hope he's sold but Martinez was far more culpable in us conceding two goals here.
Brother.
I just want to see some improvement by appointing a new manager. We have progressively got worse. Changing players isn’t going to be easy with PSR. A lot of these players will be here so he will need to work with them.
I dont think they're any more athletic than what we currently have. I'd say Dalot and Maz are even more athletic than Zabaleta was. D silva, B silva, Gundogan aren't exactly physical specimens either. They just all have great technical ability and would run all day for the manager and know how to pass a bloody ball at pace, accurately!
I know, he’s a disgrace and has been for a while now. It’s hard to scapegoat anyone in this team when none of them do the basics to a PL standard
True, not sure how to feel about it. Is it because Newcastle can't be bothered anymore or are we playing better.
I have a huge issue with our first half performances, it is always slow, devoid of idea's and way too cautious, whilst we concede easy chances. We always look better when chasing the game.
He has to understand that it wasn't his system that made Porto so good, but his charisma, communication, guts, and the way he handles players. He has a great future with his character, not that many managers have that. He needs to ditch his coaching team who's followed him from Portugal and ask the club to buy the best assistant coaches. With a club like United behind him, he should be very successful here unless he stubbornly stick to the 343 formation and his mediocre assistant coaches.
Ye exactly. Game flow is what makes stats so much less meaningful in this sport.
Needs to be ruthless with gis starting XI
It wouldn't surprise me one bit if Ratcliffe fires both this guy and Omar Berrada for having hired him too.
We'll end up with Ashworth, Ten Hag, Amorim and Berrada out the door by March.
Peak Man United!!
We'll end up with Ashworth, Ten Hag, Amorim and Berrada out the door by March.
Peak Man United!!
We can’t keep pretending it’s not at all a possibility. With the current trajectory, both results and performances, we could get in real trouble.
Too short a time, surely?
One (amongst many) annoying thing with this formation is that it requries our wingbacks to play like wingers, I'e beat a man and get a cross in. They quite clearly can't do thstz because theu are fullbacks. Meanwhile our actual wingers are on the bench.
Well at least he changed it when it looked like we were going to lose by 4 or more. Ten Hag would have just watched the ship go down
You've called them Porto and it's killed the post
Mainoo been really good tonight.
Why can’t we play like this from the beginning. It takes being 2-0 down to show some desire?
My bad all i know is he came from Portugal