This is true for sure, but it's just normality in top level football. By this definition Liverpool or other teams going deep into multiple competitions will probably only have 6 training sessions all season.
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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This is true for sure, but it's just normality in top level football. By this definition Liverpool or other teams going deep into multiple competitions will probably only have 6 training sessions all season.
It's certainly understandable feeling that way! If you don't believe or have hope then time to stop being a supporter though..
Look, of course success is not guaranteed but Amorim just has the air of someone who a) knows what he wants and how to get it and b) won't stop til he achieves it, no matter what gets in his way
Not really sure how it’s comparable. We are trying to do something new. How long did it take Klopp to get his style engrained into his team?
A lot longer! And Amorim should be given plenty more time and patience to train this squad.
The thing that was grating with me is this hyperbolic excuse-making about 4 training sessions. Come off it.
If we now only count training sessions where the circumstances are perfect, everyone can participate fully etc. then lots of managers who join mid-season get zero training sessions for weeks on end.
It's a minor gripe really so I've already posted too much about it. But sometimes it grates when you can see a bullshit media soundbyte start to be repeated as if it's realistic or factual.
Would be nice if you both agreed on something.
That's why top coaches don't want to take teams midseason.
No need to apologies mate. You're free to read and respond to what you want. I like the honesty of bothering to respond. That's more than what I would have done.
I was satirising soundbyte in the initial post, obviously.
like Zidane, Flick, Nagelsman, Tuchel among others did?
None of them wanted that, they tend to avoid it but Flick was the assistant manager for Bayern and his next club was Barcelona that he joined during summer. Nagelsmann never joined a new club midseason, Zidane also never joined a new club midseason, his second spell at Real Madrid was with the team he was coaching the previous season.
In that list Tuchel is the only counter example and there is always counter examples to generalities, though you could have mentioned SAF.
Journalists (bar a few) are sh!t.. and it’s Ladyman/the Mail. Step up from MEN
Yes, it‘s harder for a coach coming in mid-season though. We also were already in crisis.
took over in January after Benitez? Anyway point is it's a stupid point to make, Amorim clearly is a good manager, not sure what taking over United mis season has to do with credentials.
You seemingly misunderstood the point. Top managers tend to not want midseason moves because they are particularly difficult and top managers have the option to chose their moves. The point had nothing to with credentials but the challenging nature of midseason moves.
Also Zidane didn't join a new club, he was coaching Real Madrid's B team.
I can't believe Ian Ladyman is still a paid journalist in 2024. That's scary 
how have some of these kept their jobs for so long?
how have some of these kept their jobs for so long?Oh yes, it was Southgate wasnt it
The Daily Fail has an audience that believes anything served up to them.I can't believe Ian Ladyman is still a paid journalist in 2024. That's scary
Such a crap article, nonsense saying we haven't improved an inch. These lot probably backed ETH into his final season.
A bunch of nonsense, but we haven‘t actually improved overall, only in some aspects.
I don’t understand why people claim this season was over before Amorim arrived. Look at the actual points:
• When Ten Hag left, there was a 7-point gap to the Champions League places, with 29 matches to go.
• When Ruud left, there was a 4-point gap to the Champions League places, with 27 matches to go.
These gaps are not ideal, but with so many games left, it’s not unreasonable to think there is a chance to get back in the fight. Also, at that point, we were still in all the competitions. Even form was not that bad when Amorim came in. The last 5 games under Ten Hag and Ruud (including the League Cup) are 3 wins, 1 draw, and 1 loss. The further you go back to the start of the season, the worse it gets.
I don't understand how the season could be a write-off at that point?
Now is the time that we are getting closer and closer to a write-off. Form is dipping, we are 12 points off Champions League places, and we’re out of the League Cup. Only Europa is going a little bit better. That is why i don't understand that some are looking at these results and are already concluding that this is the right guy that will bring success? He deserves time and he will get it, but i have doubts. For now it is fine, but i feel like we are in a place where things can spiral out of control real fast.
Gutter press
If he can’t unearth a few gems from the youth set up I can see him gone by this time next year. There’s no way he can shift all the shitbirds in our squad for enough money to cover the refresh that’s needed to get players comfortable with his style of play. The likes of Kukonki, Martin, Lacey, Amass, Fitzgerald might need to come good for him to be successful.
I can't believe Ian Ladyman is still a paid journalist in 2024. That's scary
I nearly choked when he stated that Dalot had improved under Amorim.
The potential gems are all well known and he went to an early game of theirs (not sure if 21s or 18s). There’s 2 or 3 that age and then Ibrahimov and Obi.
The money issue… one decent sale changes a lot if home grown (pure profit vs amortised buys). Rashford for £50m+ …
Funny how we beat city then lose the next 3.
Is he seriously legally named Ladyman
How a journalist likes to ‘identify’ is up to him.
Her.
It.
If they work for The Mail, they can expect lots of names though.
Players do have conditioning under ETH since the Summer break. It seems like you're implying that EtH's conditioning is totally useless, and Amorim had to start from the scratch; which is hard to believe. Amorim's may be more intense, but to dismiss EtH's totally is a bit of an excuse.
On the tactical drill. I also find it hard to believe that we can only have 90 minutes per week. It's a tactical drill that emphasize on a positional sense, not a full physical battles. And I imagine tactical drill is also part of the training to prepare against next opponent. So if we have another 30 games this season, it means we have at least 30 sessions of tactical drill.
But then, have to admit that not many big managers want to take over when almost half season gone. So most likely I just missed a crucial understanding with all these explanation you and Cheimoon have given.
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Absolutely convinced there's a cohort of journos still seething that Southgate didn't get it and wasn't anywhere near getting it.
What the feck is he on about? If you fix the problem with the fish/aquarium then why would he get sick again when you put him back in?! And how does that relate to the coaches at United?
If you keep the fish hungry they have a tendency to eat each other which gets a bit grim when you have bits of fish floating around on the top of the aquarium.
Yeah that’s fair enough. But the bottom line is, he hasn’t had enough time. Which is the message to take away. I guess I’ve learnt to filter out all the noise that comes with anything United related these days!
I think he means if you fix the aquarium then put the sick fish back in?What the feck is he on about? If you fix the problem with the fish/aquarium then why would he get sick again when you put him back in?! And how does that relate to the coaches at United?
Honestly he's a plonker, god knows. I thought his issue was Ten Hag, you know the coach.
It's a metaphor. Ronaldo says that no matter what manager you put in at United football club, things will go wrong. This is because the club itself is a toxic environment and there is nothing wrong with some of the managers who have been here.What the feck is he on about? If you fix the problem with the fish/aquarium then why would he get sick again when you put him back in?! And how does that relate to the coaches at United?
In doing so, Ronaldo points to the Glazers who are ultimately responsible for the football club's toxic environment.
No matter what fish/manager you get in the aquarium/club, things will go wrong as it is the aquarium/club that is the problem.
You can try to take the fish/manager out of the aquarium/club and replace it/him, but it will go wrong when the fish/manager is put back in the same aquarium/club
You almost got to give some applause for the stupidity this journalist is spewing out.
Very true. At the time ETH/Ruud where let go it felt like another season where the club where treading water and there would be a push in the later half of the season to paper over the cracks. Say a 5-8th finish, maybe a cup. Was it an ideal situation? No. However, massive payout to Sporting mid-season for Amorim seemed more dangerous - despite him being a (very) good manager. I mean SJR only had to look at the Potter situation at Chelsea to see how that could go wrong quickly despite the manager being a good bloke/manager. This looked like a situation where SJR panicked and thought doing something looked better than doing nothing.
The fear ATM has to be the spiral. I do not think Utd will get relegated, simply because of how poor the bottom 4-5 are. However, the outside noise if two heavy defeats are inflicted by the Dippers and Newcastle are then followed by a poor showing at Soton is going to crank up the volume to 11.
The previous clubs Ratcliffe brought were supposedly learning platforms for the Big One.
Well he needs to see what have been shown: we have scored ALL of our goals since he took over when we have played a winger at the wingback.. When we have played 2 fullbacks we have scored 0 goals... If he fails to see that then he will deserve to get fired sooner than later
For Zidane it was a promotion, obvious the balance of power was lopsided with the club as he was unproven in his first stint.