Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

[Toshey]

I continue to be amazed.

So people actually want Amorim to revert to hoofball because that's the only thing our fragile little superstars are kinda okay at?

feck that. Even if we finish fecking 14th. The place needs to burn and be repaired all the way from the foundations. Otherwise we're going nowhere, just like we've been going nowhere for years!

In the past seasons we had INSANE amount of luck to get some kind of results - Mainoo producing wonder goal, Mctominay and Maguire to the rescue in last minute, Rashford purple patch, Antony somehow scoring a late goal while falling on his ass etc.

For the little time Amorim is here, we OBVIOUSLY have much better structure. It's been individual mistakes that fecked us.

And also, last night we played the whole half with 10. And we still managed to put pressure on Wolves and create situations where competent players could equalise or even win. During ETH's reign a red card means "ok, we are done".

Let. It. Burn.
Don't try to salvage a lost season, trying to please our pathetic footballers.

 

[Leftback99]

Managers do not buy football players. Football clubs buy football players. Even if the club only bought players ten Hag wanted, it's the clubs mistake for not aligning their purchases with their vision.

The fact that they bought all these players for a certain system, to then sign the one managing prospect who plays a radically different system says a fair bit about how this club is (still) run. Now our biggest assets in terms of value do not fit anywhere on the pitch (see Garnacho, Bruno for instance) and we are severely lacking in key areas for the new system (think wingbacks and channel 10's).

So no, ten Hag didn't create this mess. Ten Hag was part of the mess that is created by the people running the club and ten Hag has been scapegoated by the fanbase for everything that went wrong so to not look at the big picture. Ten Hag didn't ruin the squad, squad planning or lack thereoff did. He didn't ruin the stadium, didn't ruin the press office, didn't sack half the workforce, didn't let mice loose in the stadium and so on and so on.

He wanted control over recruitment, he got it and however you want to describe it he at least played a major part in putting together the worst squad we've ever had in the PL era.

The system they bought these players for isn't the issue:
- Antony is £90m down the pan whatever the system
- Malacia is no more a full back than a LWB, just unsuited for the PL either way
- Mount is more suited to this system than anything Ten Hag was doing
- Hojlund and Zirkzee just aren't very good
- Martinez has too many weaknesses for a CB in the PL whether it's in a back 4 or 5
- Casemiro was a ridiculous allocation of funds
- Onana...

 

[Licha-Vidic]

In Amorim's system, you don't need experts in each position, just the right profile of player and it works, he successfully chopped and change players and still got results at sporting.

Good players can adapt, that's why he praised Amad and Mazraoui as the future of the team. His system has exposed the limits of tej players further.

Also you mention fans wanted trophies, yesterday to an extent they do, but even after 2 fro ETH the football was so dire,they still wanted better football. With Ruben you can see improvement objectively in the stats. We just need to iron out the individual mistakes and change some players.

ETH was given years and people are turning on Amorim after a month, .

If then Amorim doesn't need 11 experts then, he should work with what he has.

It can't be both ways. Amorim system needs very specific players. That's why nobody is performing well now. Only Amad probably. Even him he needs to do it for 20+ games we know it's not just a purple patch.


Possession stats will be better because you have 5 defenders on the pitch passing to themselves.

But our problems have compounded in recent time.

Now we have a set piece problem, still concede many goals, we don't score enough goals.

We are LAST 5th on goals scored in the league this season. or rather 15th on goal scored.

We have conceded 10 set piece goals, 6 is after Amorim arrived.

Our form has plummeted. 2 wins for Amorim since he arrived. 12 goals conceded in the league. 9 scored. - 3 on GD for Amorim.


The big difference we have now is, we don't rush passes, but it's negated by us having 5 defenders and us not being very attacking.

 

[Wolfbot]

It really is sad how a number of "fans" on here are already gunning for Amorim.

Cleaely have zero understanding of what the problems are.

It's a lack of understanding of the fact it appears we have to sacrifice results to practice playing Amorim's system with a squad full of players with glaring weaknesses (although they have their strengths too).

The alternative is to go back to the counter attack to get the most out of Bruno, Rashford and Garnacho. That might yield some better results in the short term but the fans will grow frustrated with the football and let's keep in mind, these three are amongst those folk criticise most often.

We don't have any truly exceptional players in the team, we lack players that will try to outwork the opposition and have a few absolute clowns to boot. There are also other teams in the league that are performing way above expectation this season which is making it even more difficult.

Ultimately I think the club has to decide whether they support Amorim's way of playing and roll with it regardless of the results to see which players can cut it, then replace and improve on those that can't. If we're not going to do that, there wasn't much point in hiring Amorim in the first place.

It is painful to watch us conceding shit goals so regularly though.

 

[kunal18]

I remember most here were going gaga over Ten Hag and his Ajax system when he joined and wanted us to play the Ajax way.
Anyways, I think a good coach can do better than 14th even with the bunch of players we have right now. Amorim has to get better results than we are getting right now.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

I remember most here were going gaga over Ten Hag and his Ajax system when he joined and wanted us to play the Ajax way.
Anyways, I think a good coach can do better than 14th even with the bunch of players we have right now. Amorim has to get better results than we are getting right now.

Well that went out the window after the Brentford disaster and his statements when he said his United side can't play like Ajax.

He wasn't building or showing anything after the cup final.

If Amorim's results are still this poor 3-4 months down the road, I will understand the critiques, but for now, some people have lost their minds on here.

The same people who absolved ETH of any blame are now jumping on Amorim's neck.

Let's see how we look in a few months.

 

[Berbasbullet]

If then Amorim doesn't need 11 experts then, he should work with what he has.

It can't be both ways. Amorim system needs very specific players. That's why nobody is performing well now. Only Amad probably. Even him he needs to do it for 20+ games we know it's not just a purple patch.


Possession stats will be better because you have 5 defenders on the pitch passing to themselves.

But our problems have compounded in recent time.

Now we have a set piece problem, still concede many goals, we don't score enough goals.

We are LAST 5th on goals scored in the league this season. or rather 15th on goal scored.

We have conceded 10 set piece goals, 6 is after Amorim arrived.

Our form has plummeted. 2 wins for Amorim since he arrived. 12 goals conceded in the league. 9 scored. - 3 on GD for Amorim.


The big difference we have now is, we don't rush passes, but it's negated by us having 5 defenders and us not being very attacking.

My favourite part of this post is that you said something as crazy as “last 5th”, and instead of just deleting it and saying 15th you corrected yourself in the post itself.

 

[AndySmith1990]

It's a lack of understanding of the fact it appears we have to sacrifice results to practice playing Amorim's system with a squad full of players with glaring weaknesses (although they have their strengths too).

The alternative is to go back to the counter attack to get the most out of Bruno, Rashford and Garnacho. That might yield some better results in the short term but the fans will grow frustrated with the football and let's keep in mind, these three are amongst those folk criticise most often.

We don't have any truly exceptional players in the team, we lack players that will try to outwork the opposition and have a few absolute clowns to boot. There are also other teams in the league that are performing way above expectation this season which is making it even more difficult.

Ultimately I think the club has to decide whether they support Amorim's way of playing and roll with it regardless of the results to see which players can cut it, then replace and improve on those that can't. If we're not going to do that, there wasn't much point in hiring Amorim in the first place.

It is painful to watch us conceding shit goals so regularly though.

Maybe we do need to sacrifice something to get out of this decade long cycle. The season started terribly, it's still going terribly. We're obviously not going to win anything, we're obviously not going to qualify for Europesn football. The manager has stated clearly we need to go through the short term pain. Why not trust him? Why not sacrifice this season and trust its for the greater good? What do we have to lose?

Any talk of relegation is nonsense. The bottom teams are worse than us. So what's it matter if we finish 14th or 10th? Feck it. We've put up with a decade of shit, I'm sure we can handle another 6 months of this. If what Amorim says is true then we should see significant improvements next season, in which case all of this will have been worth it. If not then he will be sacked anyway. But if people are just going to have a hissy fit after less than 2 months, and demand the manager throw away all his plans, principles and lose all conviction in his ideas, for the sake of potentially guiding us to a top half finish do we can consolidate 8th, then I don't see how they think we'll ever fix the issues that have been plaguing us for years. Lets just put up with it and maybe, just maybe, having a plan and sticking to it for a change will serve us better than what has come before

 

[Ljungster]

He needs to switch to get results.. Ole got fired after finishing 3rd and 2nd during a rebuild and got fired because "he can't take us the last step". We cant play 5 at the back which we do at the moment. He needs to switch to Amad on the wingback and get another attacker in Rashford or Garnacho.. He also needs to show the same treatment of Höjlund that he have done to Rashford: He plays really bad and his attitude towards his fellow players has been worse than Rashfords so time to show that you actually mean what you say..

 

[Tom Van Persie]

There's a lot of mental midgets in that squad. Some aren't good enough ability wise then you have some that I don't think have the mentality to play for United. Amorim knew what was coming, he warned us that we are going to suffer before it gets better. I'm fine with him sticking by his system and implementing a style of football as this season was really a write off when we decided to stick with ten Hag.

 

[Ljungster]

Maybe we do need to sacrifice something to get out of this decade long cycle. The season started terribly, it's still going terribly. We're obviously not going to win anything, we're obviously not going to qualify for Europesn football. The manager has stated clearly we need to go through the short term pain. Why not trust him? Why not sacrifice this season and trust its for the greater good? What do we have to lose?

Any talk of relegation is nonsense. The bottom teams are worse than us. So what's it matter if we finish 14th or 10th? Feck it. We've put up with a decade of shit, I'm sure we can handle another 6 months of this. If what Amorim says is true then we should see significant improvements next season, in which case all of this will have been worth it. If not then he will be sacked anyway. But if people are just going to have a hissy fit after less than 2 months, and demand the manager throw away all his plans, principles and lose all conviction in his ideas, for the sake of potentially guiding us to a top half finish do we can consolidate 8th, then I don't see how they think we'll ever fix the issues that have been plaguing us for years. Lets just put up with it and maybe, just maybe, having a plan and sticking to it for a change will serve us better than what has come before

Decade of shit? Ole took us to 3rd and 2nd and had a few bad games and you people forced him out.. One DM and we would have been challenging there and then.. Why should Amorin get more time than Ole?

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

Decade of shit? Ole took us to 3rd and 2nd and had a few bad games and you people forced him out.. One DM and we would have been challenging there and then.. Why should Amorin get more time than Ole?

Ole thought he can take the next step with a 36 year old Ronaldo.

He was never challenging for the title with that kind of viewpoint.

 

[MO_Football92]

No matter the system these players are not good enough.

If we had a capable striker we would be in far better position with just that alone. We create plenty of chances but striker quality is mid table at best

They've finish 2nd and 3rd twice within the last 5 seasons. Each coach, for different reasons have failed them. You shouldn't be 13th.

On the striker situation; if struggling to score, why not play 2 together? Or have Amad as a proper RW and Rashford LW, Bruno at 10? Simple football

 

[hellhunter]

Ole thought he can take the next step with a 36 year old Ronaldo.

He was never challenging for the title with that kind of viewpoint.

Highly questionable that was Ole's call to be fair

 

[TheReligion]

If then Amorim doesn't need 11 experts then, he should work with what he has.

It can't be both ways. Amorim system needs very specific players. That's why nobody is performing well now. Only Amad probably. Even him he needs to do it for 20+ games we know it's not just a purple patch.


Possession stats will be better because you have 5 defenders on the pitch passing to themselves.

But our problems have compounded in recent time.

Now we have a set piece problem, still concede many goals, we don't score enough goals.

We are LAST 5th on goals scored in the league this season. or rather 15th on goal scored.

We have conceded 10 set piece goals, 6 is after Amorim arrived.

Our form has plummeted. 2 wins for Amorim since he arrived. 12 goals conceded in the league. 9 scored. - 3 on GD for Amorim.


The big difference we have now is, we don't rush passes, but it's negated by us having 5 defenders and us not being very attacking.

The way you structure your posts is irritating me

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

Highly questionable that was Ole's call to be fair

He said so on the overlap that he was for the signing.

He thought Ronaldo would be a success.

In hindsight, he realizes it was a bad move.

 

[VP89]

I'd like to see a Casemiro-Ugarte midfield with Eriksen introduced as the 10. There's a serious problem creatively and with our mentality in the squad. Say what you want about Casemiro but I think he raises the standards in terms of mentality to win games and Eriksen can find attacking runs from anywhere.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

I'd like to see a Casemiro-Ugarte midfield with Eriksen introduced as the 10. There's a serious problem creatively and with our mentality in the squad. Say what you want about Casemiro but I think he raises the standards in terms of mentality to win games and Eriksen can find attacking runs from anywhere.

Casemrio can barely run anymore and neither can Eriksen.

Just sounds like a bad idea.

 

[Hester_manc]

Amorim has had the worst start as a United manager for almost 100 years. Not since 1932 has a United manager lost 5 of his first 10 games.

My guess is that Amorim will be gone from the club by this summer at the latest.

 

[fergiewherearethou]

Decade of shit? Ole took us to 3rd and 2nd and had a few bad games and you people forced him out.. One DM and we would have been challenging there and then.. Why should Amorin get more time than Ole?

Ole managed us for 2 full seasons and in 4 different ones, I think he did okay given the circumstances but he was far off challenging for any title, even with 3 DM's. The person you quoted said that if things don't improve next season, Amorim will be sacked and that will be an obvious and logical decision, so he won't get more time than Ole.
Only manager who got more time than he deserved was ETH.
As for Amorim, no one knows if he is ever going to be successful here, we might end up playing the same way and having similar results until he leaves, it wouldn't be a miracle.

 

[alexthelion]

This forum proves to me that many people don't want change or fixing the club.
They can't tolerate any setbacks, can't accept that we have bad players and it takes time and recourses to fix anything really.

Some fans will be happy if we sit back and counter and get some results here and there.

Old Trafford is leaking like drain pipe, we have fecking mice infestation, NOBODY in the world is interestes in our supposedly "best players", but you find problem with the manager who has been here since yesterday.

Speechless.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

Amorim has had the worst start as a United manager for almost 100 years. Not since 1932 has a United manager lost 5 of his first 10 games.

My guess is that Amorim will be gone from the club by this summer at the latest.

Doubt it.

 

[JE-365]

He’s forced to come now not in the summer. The board should have known that Amorim plays 3421 system but we don’t have wingbacks and we have wingers who shouldn’t be playing as no 10. In addition, we have below average strikers. Somehow, they still forced him to come now rather than in summer to play this 3421 system. The board better has some plan to give him at least wingbacks and striker in January.

 

[VP89]

Casemrio can barely run anymore and neither can Eriksen.

Just sounds like a bad idea.

That's not true at all - both came on yesterday when we had 10 men and improved us. Eriksen improved us when he played last too, and had a good little run under RvN for the 3 games he was in charge.

We are playing with a packed out midfield - 2 CMs and 2CAMs - they have more than enough legs around them. Mainoo himself has proven to be lightweight on too many occasions this season, I'm confused why Casemiro has been shunned out when he's actually been fine this year.

 

[Sarni]

He will 100% start next season with us and probably finish it at least even if we are still doing poorly overall but showing some progress. As he should.

We should have allowed him to join in Summer 2025 as he wanted. I can see the benefits of starting mid-season and assessing the existing squad but it's also going to create additional pressure as results this year are not going to be good. I am still hoping he can deliver in EL though.

 

[hellhunter]

He will 100% start next season with us and probably finish it at least even if we are still doing poorly overall but showing some progress. As he should.

As long as we don't get relegated, he's safe in my opinion

 

[Castia]

Amorim has had the worst start as a United manager for almost 100 years. Not since 1932 has a United manager lost 5 of his first 10 games.

My guess is that Amorim will be gone from the club by this summer at the latest.

The players need shifting out nobody could get this lot playing the squad is full of overpaid underperforming wankers.

The least of our problems is the manager and if he’s sacked I have absolutely no faith his club will ever get back to a competitive level again

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

That's not true at all - both came on yesterday when we had 10 men and improved us. Eriksen improved us when he played last too, and had a good little run under RvN for the 3 games he was in charge.

We are playing with a packed out midfield - 2 CMs and 2CAMs - they have more than enough legs around them. Mainoo himself has proven to be lightweight on too many occasions this season, I'm confused why Casemiro has been shunned out when he's actually been fine this year.

They did play well yesterday, but long term, they are not solutions.

Both shouldn't be at the club next season.

 

[Hester_manc]

Doubt it.

Do you really think that he will still be our manager, if we finish 14th (or thereabouts)?

 

[Hester_manc]

The players need shifting out nobody could get this lot playing the squad is full of overpaid underperforming wankers.

The least of our problems is the manager and if he’s sacked I have absolutely no faith his club will ever get back to a competitive level again

So you do not think that a manager has a responsibility to get the best out of his squad?

 

[JE-365]

Amorim has had the worst start as a United manager for almost 100 years. Not since 1932 has a United manager lost 5 of his first 10 games.

My guess is that Amorim will be gone from the club by this summer at the latest.

Getting rid of Amorim without any signings to support him after rejecting his proposal to come in summer? That’ll be awful management and plan from the board.

 

[Castia]

Do you really think that he will still be our manager, if we finish 14th (or thereabouts)?

Yeah? Of course he will

This isn’t an overnight fix it’s years of shite that needs sorting out. We just need to hope we have a good couple of windows and get a squad that can play into the managers system and build from there

 

[elmo]

Hi Ruben

If you are reading this, you must be really desperate for a solution to your problems.

Nevertheless. Here is my suggestion, what you should do to prepare for the Newcastle game:

Stick with Onana. Yes. I know, but Bayindir was even worse. Talk him up. Force him to watch his best Serie A moments ten times a day to get his confidence back.

Rip Bruno of his Captainship and let him fight for his place. He does not deserve special treatment anymore.

Move Anthony to the LWB-position. He is the only left-foot with the attributes to potentially do well there. Make him cross till he drops in training.

Let Amad or Dalot play RWB. It is obvious, that Dalot is wasted on the left. The guy can´t cross with his left foot if his life depended on it. Let them cross till they drop in training. I prefer Amad, because he will try to beat a man. We are lacking that.

Mazraoui was really good at LCB. Move him back there. If it ain´t broke, don´t fix it.

Maguire and De Ligt are both good in the middle of the back three, but don´t play them elsewhere. They are slow and will get exposed. (Play both for the Liverpool game though, where we will stand deep. They are really good at dealing with crosses.)

Keep Yoro in for speed. He has not been that good, but he needs to play to get anywhere. There is a good player in there.

Ugarte is out. That is a problem. He fits your system almost as good as Hjulmand did at Sporting. Talk to him about taking too many risks though. He is collecting way too many yellows, and that is hurting us now.

Casemiro is slow, but he is still the best option to replace Ugarte for the Newcastle game. He is also an asset on corners.

Mainoo has lost his mojo this season, and should be benched for a while. With Bruno and Ugarte out, your first instinct will probably be to go with Eriksen. Don´t. He is too slow to defend the Newcastle/Liverpool midfield, and he is also needed elsewhere. Let Martinez play here for the Newcastle game, He can pass, and he can win back the ball, which is what we need. We really need to get a new player in for this position in the January window.

Eriksen should finally get to play at 10, setting the attacking players up. This is his best position, and he can still do real damage here. We only got control/composure, after Casemiro and Eriksen came on yesterday.

For the other AM-position it is a toss up. If you go with Dalot at RWB, I would play Amad here, but I would rather see Amad on RWB. That leaves you with Mainoo, Zirkzee and Garnacho. I really miss Mounts skillset here, but we have to do with the players available. I would start with Zirkzee and bring Garnacho on at some point.

Rasmus is our best and only 9. He is starving at the moment, and you could see his frustrations with the service yesterday. He was really mad at Mainoo and Amad for not getting it right on a couple of occasions in the first half. Michael Owen called the 9 at United for the most difficult striker position in the PL at the moment due to lack of service. I think he is right. Set Rasmus up, and he will score.

This would be my starting 11 for the Newcastle game:

Onana
Yoro-Maguire-Mazraoui
Amad-Casemiro-Martinez-Anthony
Eriksen-Zirkzee
Højlund

Thats it, Ruben. Now it´s up to you.

Maz played mainly at RCB under Amorim. Not sure what you’ve been watching.

 

[spiriticon]

While Amorim needs time to implement his ideas on the team, he also needs a plan for the short term. He needs to extract the maximum out of the current team, which he is not doing well.

He won't get to the long term part of the job if he fails in the short term. That is football.

 

[fergiewherearethou]

Amorim has had the worst start as a United manager for almost 100 years. Not since 1932 has a United manager lost 5 of his first 10 games.

My guess is that Amorim will be gone from the club by this summer at the latest.

If things continue in the same manner, yes, he will not be here next season.
Even with the idiotic transfers we've made in the last couple of seasons and our squad situation, you just can't sell 20 players and bring others in the "hope" that the manager is right. What if he's not?
A good manager adapts to the squad at his disposal and makes as much as possible with what he has.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

Do you really think that he will still be our manager, if we finish 14th (or thereabouts)?

I'm pretty sure we won't finish 14th.

We'll finish 8th or thereabouts. And he will remain the manager. We're underperforming right now, but if our performances don't fully tail off, we'll start getting results.

We're not as bad as 14th(just like we were lucky last season to finish 8th).

 

[jderbyshire]

Were some of you not listening in Amorim's first press conference when he said there will be short term pain for long term gain??

 

[Castia]

So you do not think that a manager has a responsibility to get the best out of his squad?

There’s only so much he can do when not only the ability of the players but the culture at the club is on the floor, the place is a circus

We have seen these players and this club fail time and time again yet you seem to want yet another manager sacked. Jesus fecking Christ

I’d rather we stick with one of the highest regarded young managers in Europe thanks. There’s a plan and a system that we need to back and see through I’m certain it will be worth it in the long term

 

[VP89]

They did play well yesterday, but long term, they are not solutions.

Both shouldn't be at the club next season.

In my opinion they did, it was clear we actually pushed with greater urgency and had more control when they were on the pitch.

Long term I know they aren't a solution - but right now playing Mainoo in a deeper role certainly isn't a solution either. Nor is Bruno in a 10 without much consequence. Our best run of form was under RvN (quite sad) and both were in the team, with Casemiro developing a very good relationship with Ugarte.

 

[manichester]

Let the boss do his job he needs to find out who are his go to guys and then have a clear out. Just support Amorim and the team please.