Even spurs aren't dumb enough to go for ten hag.
Clearly we shouldn't have gone all in on ten hag to the extent we did but I struggle to believe other coaches/managers would have left us in such a bad position
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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Clearly we shouldn't have gone all in on ten hag to the extent we did but I struggle to believe other coaches/managers would have left us in such a bad position
What are you talking about? You’re the one saying nobody is worse than EtH, and i’m just saying Amorim might be, but we will have to see.
He doesn't have much experience in the Premier League.
Can he learn fast? Can he adapt?
Who knows?... I guess we'll find out.
(I hope that he does, but it is not guaranteed. A lot of managers did well in other leagues but failed in the PL.)
Can he learn fast? Can he adapt?
Who knows?... I guess we'll find out.
(I hope that he does, but it is not guaranteed. A lot of managers did well in other leagues but failed in the PL.)
It wasnt once or twice. Honestly you're adding nothing to the debate by just making up narratives. If you think differently to my critique about our current state feel free to post your opinion.
But the key difference between us and Liverpool is that they already had a squad capable of a title challenge. So bringing in a manager who would ill-suit that squad and need greater turnover would be a significant problem.
Whereas in our case even when the club was hoping ETH would work out, the CEO's ambitious aim was winning the league in 2028. In other words our starting point was an acceptance that squad turnover was needed regardless of who the manager is, which reduces the issue in switching to a 343 now.
Quality control
One of this club's main problems is holding on to managers for too long. 5 defeats in 7 - he is clearly not up to it. You dont get to play some fantasy idealistic tactics and complain players arent up to it. You are supposed to get the most of what you have. Needs to go.
I dread the next 3 matches!
Hopefully a Zombie apocalypse is on its way
Hopefully a Zombie apocalypse is on its way
Just find it funny that you are still into it after the man has been gone two months. Maybe it will subside when he finds a new club.
Still fully back him, at this point we'd be mad not to.
And that’s you supporting the manager?
Im still into what? I never brought him up. You appear more obsessed with ten hag than what you accuse me of.
As if it wasn't Ten Hag himself who created this mess.
Doing a huge tactical and approach change, as well as a cultural reboot, mid-season, was always going to be difficult; with a ton of teething problems and road bumps. Have to stay the course, not panic, make sensible decisions in January and slowly build. This season is probably a write off but we shouldn’t acquiesce to that sentiment just yet. Just take one game at a time and keep working.
This was always going to be a very difficult transition. No point mouth frothing, pushing panic buttons, losing our shit, because this is going to take some time. Let’s get through January, the rest of the season, and the summer and then have a proper look at where we are under the new coach next season. Decades of rot and terrible recruitment aren’t going to be erased in a few of months.
Ugarte and De Ligt look quality signings to me, who will need time to show their best. Yoro is a long term signing and one to be excited about. Mazroui is a good all round player and a great, versatile squad option. Zirkzee has been poor so far. We have some great young players in Mainoo, Amad and Hojlund. Who will all need time. Predictably Mainoo is being written off and scapegoated by some already, which is even faster than I predicted. It’s all just knee jerk.
We have to do the work, stay the course and see where we are next season. This season is about building familiarity in the new system, adjusting standards and expectations. Results will come.
This was always going to be a very difficult transition. No point mouth frothing, pushing panic buttons, losing our shit, because this is going to take some time. Let’s get through January, the rest of the season, and the summer and then have a proper look at where we are under the new coach next season. Decades of rot and terrible recruitment aren’t going to be erased in a few of months.
Ugarte and De Ligt look quality signings to me, who will need time to show their best. Yoro is a long term signing and one to be excited about. Mazroui is a good all round player and a great, versatile squad option. Zirkzee has been poor so far. We have some great young players in Mainoo, Amad and Hojlund. Who will all need time. Predictably Mainoo is being written off and scapegoated by some already, which is even faster than I predicted. It’s all just knee jerk.
We have to do the work, stay the course and see where we are next season. This season is about building familiarity in the new system, adjusting standards and expectations. Results will come.
Yes, now we are here...
343.
What if 343 does NOT achieve success in England? Even Pep has been found out in PL.
Because whatever name you call it, 343,433,541,442 it's end game is to achieve success. Success vary among clubs.
So as United, what will be our success with 343? A title? Probably.
Because with 4231 we have achieved number 2,3 with Ole and ETH.
So if we don't win a title under 343, will all this be trouble be worthwhile?
Or now we are in a position of using 343, just to be Top 4 team then use another formation to win the league.
Because we have regressed massively as a club, in results both in League and Europe and in playing style.
Check this analogy...
You're number 2,3 in your class.
You start new way of study, you plummet to number 8, and below 10th in class..
You shift to another new method of study ( 343) it hasn't changed much in your position in class,
Do you buy new books ( players) to try and better your position or you go back to the way you used to study which used to achieve number 2,3?
So, the tricky part is, if Amorim was achieving results even Ineos would support his exponential growth but now Amorim is not achieving any results. So is the problem the study style ( 343 formation) or you needing new books or reading materials ( new players)
Also remember, us as United fans we know, new players don't promise or guarantee success..
Fundamental issue is, we urgently need good and better results ASAP.
Its unfortunate that he does not have the personnel to play his system. Does changing to 4231 make us good enough to compete for CL football? I personally don't think so. Should he stick to his own 343 and just evaluate who he's able to use next season and who can go? It seems like the most likely option to me since he doesn't strike me as a guy who would quit on his own ideas.
But INEOS have high standards, set a high bar, I'm not even sure if they'll have the patience for it come June nor would they accept a season where we could possibly end up on the wrong side of the table (an outcome that I have already accepted). Maybe I have some Ten Hag trauma that I'm already too impressed by a manager who is able to see which players are problematic and isn't afraid to act. Maybe its easier for me to brush aside the bad performances because of that or maybe he just also isn't up for it.
I hope he gets the backing of INEOS since in my eyes he is a promising manager who inherited a broken squad and was always going to be set up for failure, but maybe INEOS also didn't make the right decision by hiring a guy who's football ideas do not align with the current squad that is assembled with a different style of football in mind. At the same time the thought of cutting him loose after half a season seems insane to me. I really don't know what to think of him, or this team, or this front office right now.
But INEOS have high standards, set a high bar, I'm not even sure if they'll have the patience for it come June nor would they accept a season where we could possibly end up on the wrong side of the table (an outcome that I have already accepted). Maybe I have some Ten Hag trauma that I'm already too impressed by a manager who is able to see which players are problematic and isn't afraid to act. Maybe its easier for me to brush aside the bad performances because of that or maybe he just also isn't up for it.
I hope he gets the backing of INEOS since in my eyes he is a promising manager who inherited a broken squad and was always going to be set up for failure, but maybe INEOS also didn't make the right decision by hiring a guy who's football ideas do not align with the current squad that is assembled with a different style of football in mind. At the same time the thought of cutting him loose after half a season seems insane to me. I really don't know what to think of him, or this team, or this front office right now.
He didn’t. He told the club to invest in quality experienced attackers and instead they signed Hojlund and Zirkzee and we wonder why we can’t score goals
Your posts always bring me some clarity. Please don’t go anywhere.
He'll need to win some games fast and the upcoming schedule is not exactly great. It's totally understandable that he needs time to turn things around but at some point the pressure becomes to much to turn it around.
Your posts are quite enjoyable at the moment. Find myself nodding in agreement with you very often.
Unless he gets us relegated (which he won't) I don't think there's anything that could happen this season to justify us binning him. It's ridiculously early days.
Jesus fecking Christ people, the man has been here for two months. These defeats are very annoying, but they don't mean anything.
Prime SAF could step in today and not get a tune out of this team. To call for a managers head after a month having had no preseason, no transfer window, and a squad of overpaid, underperforming players is insanity. Fans like you are a problem. Expect immediate results without a dose of reality.
I’d give Amorim two full seasons and wouldn’t even consider sacking unless we flirt with relegation. The overhaul needed is that massive and the quicker fans come to understand that, the better. In a best case scenario, we would be challenging for major trophies in 3 years. Best case.
can't believe there's legitimately real life people, not parody accounts, that hold views like this. At least it's given me a laugh.It's far too early to call anything, but it is starting to feel worryingly like what happens when you bring in a manager with completely different ideas to the last one, to inherit a squad that wasn't well-suited to either one.
Again, the lack of any joined-up thinking wins the day, as opposed to it being "bad manager", "bad players" etc. in isolation.
Having said that, it is the second time in a row where we have gambled on someone unproven outside of a "lesser" league (and a mad cup run like ETH's Ajax shouldn't be a basis for hiring for a manager), but it seems to be working out alright for Liverpool.
Again, the lack of any joined-up thinking wins the day, as opposed to it being "bad manager", "bad players" etc. in isolation.
Having said that, it is the second time in a row where we have gambled on someone unproven outside of a "lesser" league (and a mad cup run like ETH's Ajax shouldn't be a basis for hiring for a manager), but it seems to be working out alright for Liverpool.
Have you been at your grans sherry lad?Who's decision was it to keep ETH in the summer rather than give Amorim a pre-season to coach his system and money to spend on players that could make his system work?
And who were the fans on here who actually supported that decision?
Yeah it’s fair tbh. He was apparently told we’d get Kane, and then Hojlund as an understudy.. they hung him out to dry like they have every other manager really.. signing zirkzee looks like another costly mistake.. Man United should have the best attackers possible, end of.. we need to stop acting like we’re Bournemouth trying to get a tune out of these players with “potential”
Other teams will always up their game to play against United, we need players good enough to counter it
I don't disagree however it's still more of a risk to recruit players specifically for a system that few other managers use, and we will probably move away from should he leave
This squad is bang average and is even more ill suited to Amorim’s style of football. 95% of them panic when they get the ball under any kind of pressure and solely rely on rely on stretched games to have any kind of impact. They do not have the skills or the aptitude to play measured, intelligent football that can open up teams without playing the hail mary.
Their body positioning, first touches are horrendous, can’t play simple passes, can’t finish chances… I can go and on.
We have a very poor attack, found lacking in both quality and depth. Hojlund is very raw - he does some good things but is easily marked or blocked from the game. Zirkzee is distinctly average with a very laid back style of play. Garnacho seems like he has bought into his hype and stopped developing. Less said about Marcus’ attitude the better, even though he might carry the most attacking threat after Amad in this team.
INEOS need to find a way to back Amorim in the transfer market.
Their body positioning, first touches are horrendous, can’t play simple passes, can’t finish chances… I can go and on.
We have a very poor attack, found lacking in both quality and depth. Hojlund is very raw - he does some good things but is easily marked or blocked from the game. Zirkzee is distinctly average with a very laid back style of play. Garnacho seems like he has bought into his hype and stopped developing. Less said about Marcus’ attitude the better, even though he might carry the most attacking threat after Amad in this team.
INEOS need to find a way to back Amorim in the transfer market.
The problems at the club run far deeper than the manager. Said it before Amorim was here and nothing has changed my mind.
Quality control
You might fool yourself, but you can't fool us
Losing faith in him already is madness considering the sack of rubbish those players serve up. They will throw him under the bus time and time again with their brain farts. Today was the worst since he arrived
Whatever anyone says, whoever we have on the pitch, whatever formation we play and with whatever manager is in charge we SHOULD NOT be coming out of 2 games against Bournemouth and Wolves with 0 points and a minus 5 goal difference.
Struggling and regressing are two separate things here. Also, do you think the likes of Amad and Maguire were better a year ago than now ?
Of course. It's insanely stupid to make any judgement now.
So we are a lot worse than what? Than we were last week?
Normally I would agree, but the striking thing about the managers we were linked with to replace ETH is that nearly all of them play or have played three at the back systems, at least some of the time. Specifically Amorim, Tuchel, Southgate, Alonso, Inzaghi, Frank and Nagelsmann. Ditto other managers we weren't linked with, like Glasner and Gasperini.
God knows who the options will be if/when we ever get rid of Amorim, but if we were picking from that same selection at least then a 3-4-3 squad wouldn't be an issue. It's not that uncommon currently.
Such a tough position to be in for Amorim w no preseason.
3 losses in a row. Both goalies low on confidence. Local poster boy wants out. Captain red carded. Strikers misfiring. Games coming in fast & furious w the most in form teams coming up next.
Gonna be interesting to see how he responds now.
C'mon Amorim we're rooting for u!
3 losses in a row. Both goalies low on confidence. Local poster boy wants out. Captain red carded. Strikers misfiring. Games coming in fast & furious w the most in form teams coming up next.
Gonna be interesting to see how he responds now.
C'mon Amorim we're rooting for u!