In the kingdom of the blind, false equivalence is King.
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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Ten Hag is largely responsible for that rot setting in. We weren't in a great position before he came but we fell to new lows under his management, recording our worst ever Premier League and Champions League finishes in the same season after he spent hundreds of millions on this squad.
From the start of the 23/24 season I had no idea what Ten Hag was trying to achieve with this team. Bad habits and low standards were allowed to fester for almost 18 months, now Amorim is having to face the realities of that.
Completely agree.
Buy him out then then you can have a say
I hope so. But we simply cannot buy a whole new team, so he cannot have an endless excuse that the forum has got behind that we needs to sell 15 and buy 15 this summer, he has to get results from this group this season.
Our xG in last few games have been insane. Its like we have been conceding with every shot on goal.
That's where I am at too
The people who are meant to be controlling it. Keeping it clean etc.
I'm not worried yet, as most of us know, this squad has little quality throughout, weak mentality and more snails that a french restaurant, as long as we avoid a relegation scrap ( which could happen) and go deep in EL, I'd settle for that till the summer, when we can hopefully offload a few, n bring in what Amorim wants
What is the point of picking a fight with Rashford and his friends? If you don't want him, sell him next week. Till then, praise him, that he is talented, a hard worker, great player, and so on, ... just to make it easier to sell him.
It seems to me that Amorim is self-defeating here. He is just making it harder to sell Rashford. Do we have here a repeat of Ten Hag mistakes?
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/c390p9n18mlo
Amorim questions 'choices' of Rashford's advisors
It seems to me that Amorim is self-defeating here. He is just making it harder to sell Rashford. Do we have here a repeat of Ten Hag mistakes?
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/c390p9n18mlo
Amorim questions 'choices' of Rashford's advisors
Ten Hag was a good manager for the Dutch Eredivisie. He was a terrible manager for us. He broke many negative records and he is the main reason we are 13th during Christmas.
Don't think it'd do us any favours to lie about him when any interested clubs will have scouts analysing videos of his performances
You don't need to lie. You also do not need to depreciate your assets, it is a naive, self defeating behavior.
They probably had been tbf.
It feels more like Amorim is again trying to protect him and offer an olive branch. First time he said that he’d responded well to being dropped, now he’s putting it down to his advisors.
Did you read what he said? Rashford has given an interview saying he wants to leave the club immediately after being dropped for a bad attitude. Who the feck wants to sign a player who behaves like that?. By blaming Rashford’s advisers for what happened it gives the player a chance to distance himself from events. Which can either help build bridges (if he stays) or make him seem like less of a loose cannon to anyone who wants to sign him. Far better to sign a player who’s been badly advised than someone who’s personally responsible for this shit show. How Amorim’s handled this is the exact opposite of “naive, self defeating behaviour”
Which is exactly what he did. Didn't say a single bad word about him. Not sure how he could have handled this any better.
I don't think so. Telling the press that Rashford is listening to the wrong advisors, is again directly blaming Rashford, it is like saying that Rashford is not smart enough to pick the right advisors.
Amorim should have said nothing. Absolutely nothing. You don't like Rashford, that's fine, just sell him and get over with it. There is no point discussing this issue with the press, especially if you are going to say something negative about the player or his friends and his advisors.
Yeah he’s a red tinted glasses type of guy
I don't think you are getting what others are saying to you to be honest.
No, it is not the same. The title says Amorim questions 'choices' of Rashford's advisors
And what Amorim said is:
"I understand these players have a lot of people around them, making choices that are not the first idea from the player.
"They chose to do the interview as it is not just Marcus."
This implies that Rashford is not smart enough to make his own choices! This is really degrading for the player.
"Endless excuses"
He's been here less than a month. Had no pre season. Walked into a team that was in free fall.
Your agenda is really showing now as you're just lying. No one had said he needs 15 new players before he can be judged. You lied yesterday about the way the game went just to fit your agenda, too.
Oh come on he's protecting an asset and possibly leaving a return path open by saying this.
I very much doubt Rashford would take it that way.
This is getting painful...
No it's not. It's Amorim once again trying to give Rashford a way out of the situation without him looking as bad as he does - if he wants it. If anything, Amorim is trying to protect him.
Amorim simply should say nothing negative about Rashford, or his family, or his friends, or his advisors, or his manager, ... simply saying nothing negative about anyone.
How hard is this? Just wait a week, sell the player, and it's over.
Amorim gets nothing saying something negative about "advisors", and about Rashford "following the advisors". It is a lose-lose situation for Amorim. He gains nothing. I don't understand why he wanted to do this. He should talk to the teams PR people before saying anything like that in the future.
Sorry I don't agree with you at all. Amorim is handling it as well as anyone could.
You honestly think it will be that easy to sell Rashford without giving him away? That's bonkers.
How players like Beckham RvN were treated.. no player is bigger than the club
Not sure how it proves EtH was a good manager, I'd say it proves he was fecking shite.
If a manager can come in with a new system, begin to improve our play and implement a visible plan in just three weeks then I fail to see how thats a positive for EtH after we had no idea what he was doing after multiple seasons. The form might be the same, but EtH had been here two and half years and was going backwards.
A good manager does not spend 600m on dross.
Bit worried if you can’t see how we’ve improved under him.
You really think a player of Rashford’s ability, on Rashford’s wages, will be that easy to shift?By the way, for those still scoffing at xG, think back to the last year and a half.
Under ten Hag, we were playing ghastly stuff but were still getting results, so those of us who were criticising him and his football were being labelled as "moaners" and whatnot. When we tried backing up our arguments with xG where it showed we were being outplayed every week, it was laughed off because most just looked at the results.
Well, as predicted, xG caught up with us and we stopped lucking out in regards to our results, and ten Hag was ultimately sacked.
Now, we're seeing the opposite happen. We're constantly outplaying our opponents but the results aren't going our way (which has mainly been down to individual errors rather than us being a fundamentally poor football team). Like how our previous xG caught up with ten Hag, I'm sure our current xG will catch up with Amorim and our results will eventually start to turn around.
Under ten Hag, we were playing ghastly stuff but were still getting results, so those of us who were criticising him and his football were being labelled as "moaners" and whatnot. When we tried backing up our arguments with xG where it showed we were being outplayed every week, it was laughed off because most just looked at the results.
Well, as predicted, xG caught up with us and we stopped lucking out in regards to our results, and ten Hag was ultimately sacked.
Now, we're seeing the opposite happen. We're constantly outplaying our opponents but the results aren't going our way (which has mainly been down to individual errors rather than us being a fundamentally poor football team). Like how our previous xG caught up with ten Hag, I'm sure our current xG will catch up with Amorim and our results will eventually start to turn around.
He's done well for an idiot.
He's like any fan. He can change his mind/opinion from time to time. I'm sure you changing your mind could be seen from your posting history.
I think you have to be able to criticise a manager for his choices in one game without being labelled as some sort of "manager out" type.
You think he's going to gain something right now from slating Amorim? I don't see it.
Has Ratcliffe sacked 25% of the staff already?
Jesus talk about nitpicking at anything at all to beat Amorim with, some of ye really are unbelievable
how does any manager have any chance here with some of ye.There could be a rapist living under a stand at any other ground in the UK and it wouldn't make the news. Somebody blocks a bog at OT and it's trending on twitter.
Did they block the bog with mice?
Blocked it with Brunos corners.
There IS of course a choice. You have evolution rather than evolution. And if Prem games are now training matches, freeze ticket prices to where they were including the cheaper children's briefs and stop cheating the fans and the kids.
A fifth place finish seems like some drunk's fantasy. Systems don't win games. Players do.