Absolutely, nobody said the medicine was going to taste nice, but it’s certainly work in progress.
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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The club has been let down most by Rashford, Bruno, Maguire, Case Antony, De Gea & Onana over the last 3 seasons. That and the medical team. Antony and Onana are on Erik. Casemiro was never going to be a long term solution. He got Rashford firing by playing deep on the counter but no one liked that so opened up in year 2 and 3 and we look crap, just like under Ole. It's not a surprise.
I'm not sure coming out of our busiest period with a squad we've all identified as shite is really the best time to judge the manager.
Feels sorry for him as he's been strong armed into joining mid season when it was obvious this would happen. It's always going to take a lot longer and losing games really threatens to derail things.
Does this squad have a strong enough mentality to develop whilst losing games? I doubt it.
Whoever does should be banished from the forum. There should be sack watches for around 10+ players if we lose.
This is nonsensical thinking. Amorim could certainly get it right in time as he is a talented coach, but I think Iraola and Frank would both be doing better with this team right now.
No he's safe until February at least. If results are still like this in February I'm sure there will be conversations as panic will set in.
I’d say the club has let itself down by rewarding the likes of Rashford and Casemiro with absurd wages that has disincentivized them from wanting to play at the highest level, which wasn’t entirely unpredictable given Casemiro’s previous success. Buying Antony, Onana, Mount, and Zirkzee we’re also all the wrong decisions given ETH’s eventual sacking.
You really need to look up Bournemouth’s results in the season when Iraola first took charge. Hint: they didn’t win a single league fixture until the end of October.I think among all the issues that manager has to fix, one major issue that keeps happening is recently is that we soo lax and lacking intensity in the start of 2nd half. All the recent three matches (Nots Forest, Spurs and Bournemouth) we have lost the game by same pattern, at the start of the second half (to being a goal down) where the expected response is putting pressure on team and getting the goal back, what we have observed is conceding another goal and then within a few minutes conceding another, manager has to instil the same in team and stop us becoming all chaotic and lose all composure once we concede.
The third goal was the perfect example, we had a great chance to spring a counter, first Bruno with a shocking pass gives it away, then Mainoo tries to be extra clever and tries some dink and losses it again in the middle and before we know it we are 3 down.It makes it an impossible task for the team mentally to recover from such heavy deficits.
Plus the sooner Amorim understands that he needs calm heads like Eriksen to gain control of the game instead of taking stupid decision of Ugarte and replacing him with Chaos Master (Bruno) in the middle, its just makes us very open in the middle. Plus the obvious sub when taking off Ugarte should be Casemiro, it will also help us in terms of set pieces as he is a great header of the ball and you need those when chasing with free kicks and corners will be gained.
The third goal was the perfect example, we had a great chance to spring a counter, first Bruno with a shocking pass gives it away, then Mainoo tries to be extra clever and tries some dink and losses it again in the middle and before we know it we are 3 down.It makes it an impossible task for the team mentally to recover from such heavy deficits.
Plus the sooner Amorim understands that he needs calm heads like Eriksen to gain control of the game instead of taking stupid decision of Ugarte and replacing him with Chaos Master (Bruno) in the middle, its just makes us very open in the middle. Plus the obvious sub when taking off Ugarte should be Casemiro, it will also help us in terms of set pieces as he is a great header of the ball and you need those when chasing with free kicks and corners will be gained.
ETH had to untangle what others left him
You are basing that on absolutely nothing other than a hunch though. Neither of those guys has ever won anything. Amorim has literally done the job we need done with a similar club in another country.
Did anyone see the fecking roof leak in Amorim's presser. Well embarrassing.
When it rains, it pours.
"Press conference disrupted by on-the-nose metaphor"
Old trafford is weeping
He is getting way too much of a pass. Matches that have already happened? Fair enough to give him a pass. Saying that this form is acceptable through the end of the season, for any reason, is not okay. People are rushing to defend him which I get but the only way they know how is exaggerating how bad the squad is. How can it be we came 8th last season and thought that was a sackable offence (most did, me too), had a good window (most think this, me too) and ruben can have form that gets us 13th this year and he is entirely devoid of blame and needs to sign a whole new team? Neville perpetuating this nonsense as if it isn't the exact same thing we have seen for several managers in a row.
Frank can stay at poor little old Brentford, at best he's a Spurs level manager. Who'll get sacked after 18 months like the rest of them.
Iraola didn't win any of his first 10 games with Bournemouth. There were people questioning his appointment after only a handful of games, especially after they lost to O'Neills Wolves. One year later, O'Neil is sacked and Iraola has Bournemouth well up the table.
Surely that’s a rhetorical question? Because you know damn well we’re not talking about an entire season in charge from Amorim, even at the end of this one. Never mind the two seasons in which ETH steered us to 8th. The differences are enormous. He’s been in charge for 9 games and hasn’t signed a single player. The idea that this is comparable to opinions on ETH after entire seasons (and hundreds of millions spent on players over multiple transfer windows) is bonkers.
You are a child.
There's no way
Ten Hag took over a team that finished 6th. People thought it was a sackable offence when he finished in a worse position (8th) in his second full season. And he was actually sacked when he had us as low as 14th at the start of his third season.
Obviously holding Amorim to anything like the same standard when he's taken over a team at that mid-table low point mid-season would be ridiculous.
Context matters, and the context here is the previous manager bombing the team to its lowest point in 30 years and then only getting fired when the following season started going even worse. Expectations naturally get reset at that point as we realise we've been brought backwards.
Right after EtH was sacked, there was (I thought anyway) a consensus here that no matter the results, we would be happy to see a definite style of play and progress towards establishing an identity. I am pleased that that has actually happened fairly quickly, but it turns out that people don't really have the kind of patience required to see it through.
Once the schedule eases up, I expect the team to become more consistent. If by end of February, we are still in this kind of form, then that would be the time to worry.
Once the schedule eases up, I expect the team to become more consistent. If by end of February, we are still in this kind of form, then that would be the time to worry.
Ruben has shown more improvement in 1 month, than ETH in his whole time here. This is an extended preseason for him, almost every game is a new team.
If he had settled on a team and was playing them week in week out then maybe some complaints are valid. But he is not, plus I only think 5 players are United quality.
If ok, in 2 years we haven't improved, then I would reassess my stance but for now, he has my full support. Amorim is exposing the level of the squad no papering over the cracks with a win here or there.
United fans need to come out of their bubble and face reality, this squad is mid, hence us being midtable, even Ratcliffe said our squad is bad, hopefully Ruben has the full backing of the board.
If he had settled on a team and was playing them week in week out then maybe some complaints are valid. But he is not, plus I only think 5 players are United quality.
If ok, in 2 years we haven't improved, then I would reassess my stance but for now, he has my full support. Amorim is exposing the level of the squad no papering over the cracks with a win here or there.
United fans need to come out of their bubble and face reality, this squad is mid, hence us being midtable, even Ratcliffe said our squad is bad, hopefully Ruben has the full backing of the board.
Correct. Although he did have two years and managed to go backwards in terms of league position by over populating the club with former Dutch league players, and without a proper executive team supervising him.
well he started in lower half and if he finished lower half that would mean he had lower half form
do you think we should be happy with a 13th finish this season? And that the teams perfornances can't be judged until amorim has brought in all his own players?
Of course no one should be happy with it. But we have to accept the current situation and the state we're in, and in that context there is no quick fix to undo years of decline and bad management across the club. Provided we don't progressively get worse, and Amorim isn't demonstrating he's completely hopeless - which so far he certainly isn't - he deserves a season with a few new additions to key positions before we can properly judge the work he's doing. That's fair enough for any new manager no matter their quality. Just look at the difference in results when Klopp bought in players like Allison and VVD, they were a completely different beast to the team that finished 8th
That post hit many nails on the head
There are many on here who think a new coach is the same as a magician
Ah ok - agree with that. As fans, we just need to maintain perspective; can’t be turning on the manager, no matter how much the likes of TalkSport and other outlets might urge us to.
Surely you can't do much worse than malacia, zirkzee, casemiro and co?
I mean, yeah, I guess so? Although maintaining the club in the same league position as it was when he took over is still an improvement on a manager who was making us progressively worse, season by season. Your premise that a half season of mid table results would be comparable with ETH being worse in his second full season than his first and worse still in his third season in charge is ridiculous. And that half season of mid table results under Amorim hasn’t even happened yet!
Obviously we shouldn't be happy. But nor should we be particularly surprised if we don't finish much better than that.
The betting markets have us finishing 8th, currently 4 points ahead of where we are, and that's an entirely realistic vision of what we should expect.
As for Amorim bringing in his own players, that shouldn't happen at all. The recruitment team should be bringing in players. But obviously yes, recruitment will need to be the main driver in getting us out of the hole we've found ourselves in.
I would suggest that this situation is down to too many expensive signings who were over priced and over paid. I can remember lots of people on here having orgasms over signing Zirkzee, for example. We all know the bad signings, but no-one could have foreseen Rashford absolutely crashing. Garnacho has suddenly gone from the new Ronaldo to a show pony ( when in fact his lack of final ball and poor decision making was always apparent). We do have some decent under 18s but we all know the percentage of those actually progressing to be superstars. We have never bought a player for £20mill ( apart from Amad perhaps - there's probably a few more) who have gone on to be worth £100mill. We prefer to pay out 70 or 80 mill on presumed finished articles. And that is surely down to the transfer team. Amorim deserves time, to bring in the right player at the right price and right wages. He recognised that it would take time and there would be pain. I hope that he will get it right.
Yup. Trust the process. He will deliver.
There's no way
What an embarrassment. Sack them all.
Not a new problem, it's been an issue for years and has been reported multiple tims in the past as well
Sack the mice?
We're playing a new system with players that could hardly perform in ETH's system.They can't run(fast),can't score(did you watch the Bournemouth game!!),can't defend(Bornemouth again!!).
Yet Amorim has us controlling every game(yes we matched Arsenal until we imploded at set pieces and were far better than the credit we weren't given at City) .Our star player has shown his true self, no fecking application and has decided to wimp out and find another club.
He walked into a disaster.Has decided to play the way he knows will succeed with a lot of players that he knows cant do what he wants.
He is so much better than ETH, it will just take time
Isn't SJR doing that?