Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

[Sandikan]

How many more free hits until the board has a word with him about trying something different? These kinds of results are just not acceptable even for a coach who's just got his foot through the door.

This is the honeymoon period, and it's still very early days.

But I fear for us with that next run of games.

I assume he's only ever played this 3 at the back system? Danny Murphy got pelters for daring to say he'd probably switch off a back 3 in time, but we'll see.

 

[TsuWave]

A lot of this is just a byproduct of the mindboggling decision of keeping Ten Hag in the summer. We would undoubtedly be in a better position if we had brought Amorim in then

- on the table
- playing/performance wise
- and likely with fewer shit players

 

[JJ12]

What’s the point in trying something different? This is his system. He’s shown it works. No point chasing short term results to the detriment of long term. He needs to figure out who can play this and who can’t. He needs to drill in the movements to the players who can.

The sooner people realise this the better.

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

How many more free hits until the board has a word with him about trying something different? These kinds of results are just not acceptable even for a coach who's just got his foot through the door.

He needs a convincing win at Wolves next week.

Yeah mate let's bring back the 4231. Put Rashy on the left and Bruno at the 10! Hit them on the break!

 

[Hoof the ball]

I agree. I hate three CBs and i can't see it working consistently. Its a waste especially when you are conceding from all sorts of attacks. I also think you need outstanding forwards to make this system work and we don't have those.

It's demonstrably not when the statistics bear the evidence that we concede fewer touches in our own box than under ETH; we concede less xG per game than under ETH. What do you have to say to conceding less than 1 xG in each of our last 7 games? Did we achieve that under ETH's two-CB's? Yet we've done it seven games in a row in a completely new system that has had almost no training time at all to implement.

 

[HookedOnAPhelan]

It’s going to be crap again after this and many more times. Everyone was happy to accept this in theory but can’t take it when it actually happens.

This.

There was never a quick fix for this. Even Klopp couldn't get much more out of his Liverpool team than Rodgers when he took over in 15/16.

 

[siw2007]

He got the team and subs wrong today.

But at the same time, I don’t see how he can succeed long term with this group of players. He will win games this season but this group have and will continue to let the club down.

 

[Judas]

I

Not particularly impressed so far.

The rotation, the awful set piece defending, and outside of today since it has been brought up - not much xG or chance creation other than when teams give us a helping hand through mistakes.

Hoped for a bit more than what we've seen.

I genuinely can’t understand the problem with a new manager rotating his team. It just seems so logical and obvious to do?

 

[Sandikan]

Convinced majority of you lot have 0 clue what you're watching week to week

There seem to be 2 very distinct camps on here.

Those that think this is all fine, getting smashed, conceding 3-4 goals a game and putting them down to "individual errors" and we "could have scored more".

Or those who are slightly worried that a blagged late win against a hapless City is the single rose amongst a lot of defeats.

 

[Shark]

I

I genuinely can’t understand the problem with a new manager rotating his team. It just seems so logical and obvious to do?

Not all rotation is positive though. You also need to be aware that the players you're rotating into the starting eleven are diabolically poor. Like Zirkzee.

 

[AndySmith1990]

Two games? Its 9 games into his tenure. But according to you he needs much more than that to know his best 11 players to pick which is beyond laughable. But enjoy the losses as the rotation continues.

What is our best 11? It's quite debatable because so many of them have glaring weaknesses

 

[Offside]

It’s going to be crap again after this and many more times. Everyone was happy to accept this in theory but can’t take it when it actually happens.

Kneejerk reactions. Although you might have hoped we wouldn’t lose to Forest and Bournemouth at home, then again look at the table and they are no mugs.

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

A lot of this is just a byproduct of the mindboggling decision of keeping Ten Hag in the summer. We would undoubtedly be in a better position if we had brought Amorim in then

- on the table
- playing/performance wise
- and likely with fewer shit players

Yep.

It's like people can't understand that the issue can both be shit players AND a shit coach. We got rid of one, now we have to get rid of the other. Put Pep in charge of this side and it wouldn't be much better, but people want to moan about Amorim even though every metric shows we've out played majority of teams and individual mistakes are doing us in.

 

[lex talionis]

Erik gave Ruben a steaming pile and its going time, possibly years, to take the pile to the dump.

 

[Solius]

Kneejerk reactions. Although you might have hoped we wouldn’t lose to Forest and Bournemouth at home, then again look at the table and they are no mugs.

Yep. Forest game was an absolute freak and today was a mix. We’re getting very little luck at the min combined with some players just being very brain dead.

 

[Licha-Vidic]

Exactly. People are so dramatic.

Amorim hasn't won 2 consecutive Premier League games since he arrived.

Not to go at him.
But surely, winning just 2 league games on the bounce isn't that hard or isn't asking for too much.

 

[P-Nut]

He's got this season as a complete pass from me. Yes I expect to see some progress, but I'm not expecting much from us.

When we changed manager I wanted someone to come in and get us playing a recognisable style of play more than anything else. Get the team playing a modern brand of football and then go from there moving forward.

From the start of next season I'll start judging him more critically on whether what he's attempting to do is working.

 

[Chipper]

I

I genuinely can’t understand the problem with a new manager rotating his team. It just seems so logical and obvious to do?

It just seems excessive to me I suppose. Everything is fine in degrees.

 

[Lentwood]

Please stop making 5 or 6 changes to the lineup from game to game. We need consistency now, we need players to start forming partnerships.

 

[Hoof the ball]

Note that when we defend poorly and concede goals consistently for years under a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 system no one says, "think we should change to a wing-back system"
Note that when we defend poorly and concede goals sporadically for a month under a wing-back system everyone says, "Think we should change to 4 at the back again"

You need to listen to some of yourselves with your hypocritical takes. Never once willing to criticise good old four at the back the same way you would a 3 or 5 at the back system.

Why don't you just admit that you have a religious-like obsession with 4 at the back. You were the same clowns who refused to move on from 4-4-2 when everyone else already had.

 

[P-Nut]

Amorim hasn't won 2 consecutive Premier League games since he arrived. Not to go at him.

But surely, winning just 2 league games on the bounce isn't that hard or isn't asking for too much.

When you're rotating your squad so much it probably is. Think there's 7 teams that haven't won back to back games in the PL this season so far, it's one of those weird seasons where the middle of the PL is so condesnsed

 

[Red00012]

Its ok though. Some of the caf thinks he still needs time to get his "system" across to the players. Even after getting obliterated by bournemouth at home.

Insane how much standards have dropped here.

If it isn't working by Feb/March, then we need to be identifying the next manager and moving on.

Oh dear

 

[Salford_Red83]

Its ok though. Some of the caf thinks he still needs time to get his "system" across to the players. Even after getting obliterated by bournemouth at home.

Insane how much standards have dropped here.

If it isn't working by Feb/March, then we need to be identifying the next manager and moving on.

Good lord. Just... what an absolute whopper of a comment.

 

[Solius]

Amorim hasn't won 2 consecutive Premier League games since he arrived. Not to go at him.

But surely, winning just 2 league games on the bounce isn't that hard or isn't asking for too much.

It isn’t that hard as long as your goalkeeper doesn’t let in a shot straight at him, or your CB doesn’t watch a header bounce in instead of clearing it. Or your defender dives in giving away a pen for a no reason. He’s not been helped by some awful individual errors which have created platforms in the games for the rest of the squad to become nervous again.

 

[Judas]

Please stop making 5 or 6 changes to the lineup from game to game. We need consistency now, we need players to start forming partnerships.

Ok but which players? Because barely any of them are impressive.

 

[Cela shomana]

I will support him 100% til signs that he is not good enough. so far I like what I see despite a horrible squad composition. Any manager will struggle with this team. however, he needs to rotate less to get some consistence. I know it is crazy fixtures during this time but he need to strike a balance.

 

[Solius]

Note that when we defend poorly and concede goals consistently for years under a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 system no one says, "think we should change to a wing-back system"
Note that when we defend poorly and concede goals sporadically for a month under a wing-back system everyone says, "Think we should change to 4 at the back again"

You need to listen to some of yourselves with your hypocritical takes. Never once willing to criticise good old four at the back the same way you would a 3 or 5 at the back system.

People think we’d not concede from set pieces if the official line-up has 4 at the back

 

[Castia]

Its ok though. Some of the caf thinks he still needs time to get his "system" across to the players. Even after getting obliterated by bournemouth at home.

Insane how much standards have dropped here.

If it isn't working by Feb/March, then we need to be identifying the next manager and moving on.

You aren’t getting an overnight fix with that squad it’s fecking ridiculous talking about removing one of the best young managers in Europe

There’s no quick fix here years of bad signings and off field decisions have cost us and will cost us for years to come. I mean we talk about needing new players but the ones we’re signing aren’t up to it, Zirkzee looks championship level we’re just going round in circles until one summer clicks and 3-4 signings make a genuine difference

There’s a good chance we never get back to winning the league we’re miles away

 

[Chumpsbechumps]

Context is key. Spurs scored 4 from like 0.7 xG and three of the goals were absolute freaks. With the first two today there’s very little to mitigate that without much time on the training pitch.

In the Everton game where we got 4, our XG was .73,

 

[Eriku]

We might be the only team capable of bringing a new manager and some how makes things worse. No point in comparing against ETH but we certainly have the team to beat Forest and Bournemouth at home. This deadwood excuse doesn't hold water and its on him.

Worse?! Amorim has as many wins in 9 as Ten Hag managed in 14 matches. Amorim also has the disadvantage of having to do this while implementing a new formation and tactics.

It’s not been brilliant, but a clear improvement on Ten Hag, IMO.

 

[Yagami]

There seem to be 2 very distinct camps on here.

Those that think this is all fine, getting smashed, conceding 3-4 goals a game and putting them down to "individual errors" and we "could have scored more".

Or those who are slightly worried that a blagged late win against a hapless City is the single rose amongst a lot of defeats.

Very true. One is where people actually look at the performances in the context of the mess our new manager came into. The other is where people just look at the results and take everything at face value.

 

[CasaStreets]

Yeah mate let's bring back the 4231. Put Rashy on the left and Bruno at the 10! Hit them on the break!

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

There seem to be 2 very distinct camps on here.

Those that think this is all fine, getting smashed, conceding 3-4 goals a game and putting them down to "individual errors" and we "could have scored more".

Or those who are slightly worried that a blagged late win against a hapless City is the single rose amongst a lot of defeats.

Sorry I don't consider conceding set pieces constantly and watching a comedy of keeper errors to be "getting smashed". Conceding 25 shots like we did last year to relegation sides is getting smashed.

I brought it up repeatedly as well that Amorim wasn't going to be able to get great results with this team when he took over to start because our forward line is such absolute dogshit. You can do all of the tactics and coaching in the world but if Hojlund doesn't want to pass to a wide open Garnacho, or Bruno is going to miss sitters etc. then you aren't going to score goals and thus results will be poor. So yeah when what I figured might happen comes to fruition, I'm not going to suddenly act worried as if I'm watching a poor plan and tactics that are getting exposed repeatedly (I did that last season in September when watching ETH and said so at the time).

I still see dunces on here saying we looked better under Ruud when all of those results were just good finishing which just proves my point. Quality in front of goal can mask a lot of warts, and conversely a lack of it will make things look far worse than they are.

 

[AltiUn]

He's got the worst squad we've ever had at his disposal through no fault of his own... This will take time, a lot of time.

Exactly. It's incredible we spent over £600m with Ten Hag at the helm and we've just continually made the squad worse, how is that even possible?

I think the biggest crime is losing proven goal scorers and just not replacing them, at one time we had players like Greenwood, Ronaldo, Cavani, Martial etc who all knew where the back of the net was and could rescue us in a pinch. Absolutely no one knows how to score in this team.

Amorim's not even had a transfer window yet. A completely thankless task.

 

[Solius]

In the Everton game where we got 4, our XG was .73,

Yeah context is key. Everton weren’t as bad as that made out and two of our goals were from individual errors.

 

[Grizzly B]

I’m pretty sure it was explained when Amorim came in that one of the reasons he was going to rotate so much was when we play two games a week because of recovery times if a player starts both games they basically don’t train so it was to allow him time on the training ground with the players.

 

[poleglass red]

This is the honeymoon period, and it's still very early days.

But I fear for us with that next run of games.

I assume he's only ever played this 3 at the back system? Danny Murphy got pelters for daring to say he'd probably switch off a back 3 in time, but we'll see.

Right now though with such poor wing backs we essentially are playing 5 at the back. We need improvements in various areas but the addition of 2 decent attack minded wing backs would be a massive upgrade.

 

[Hoof the ball]

People think we’d not concede from set pieces if the official line-up has 4 at the back

I'm sick of it. These tools know next to nothing about football. Everything is always so binary. Wouldn't dawn on them that formations are fluid in game and conceding has feck all to do with whether you're lining up in a Plalanx or a Maniple formation.

 

[Sandikan]

Very true. One is where people actually look at the performances in the context of the mess our new manager came into. The other is where people just look at the results and take everything at face value.

I'm in the middle. I can see we create a few chances, but look such a mess that we're losing frequently against traditional midtable at best clubs.

 

[Andersonson]

The short pasning in our penalty box followed by a long pass by Onana needs to stop