Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

Underlying metrics are mostly positive, and that's what counts the most. Current results are being influenced by the players' mental fragility and terrible errors. The tides will turn, even this set of lacklustre players will get better results. Amorim now has to stick with the players that work for him, no point in trying to play deadwood into form.

The set piece issues highlight all the deficiencies in the United squad, very few players want to fight to get their heads on the ball and out of that subset of players there's like only 3-4 players that have the physicality to go head-to-head with the average Premier League team.
 
Judas said:
But we’d been all over them controlled it and been the better team? Some of you are genuinely not worth discussing football with as you don’t seem to have a clue. No offence.
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I don't think you can claim to "control" a game yet be 3-0 down. That's mad talk and almost suggesting it's a freak result, which it wasn't.
 
AnuRu-“I wouldn't put it past some of these loafers deliberately throwing goals because Rashy isn't getting picked, that's how low I think of them.”

You could have a point.
 
Sandikan said:
I don't think you can claim to "control" a game yet be 3-0 down. That's mad talk and almost suggesting it's a freak result, which it wasn't.
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But they were daft individual mistakes? Again you just seem to look at the score and no deeper, which just seems ignorant. It was baffling to be 3-0 down in that game, we’d been much better than them.
 
AneRu said:
Wouldn't want to pile on him but, after watching them for a few games, what does he think he will get from players like Malacia, Zirkzee etc that he wouldn't get, and more, from Wheatley, Amass etc? He is almost becoming too loyal to a treacherous bunch of mentally weak, physically shot and average talent players.

I don't mind us losing if it meant we are building to something, we are developing talented players and it's only a matter of them growing and us buying a few reinforcements. This is where I disagree with him, we have talented youngsters so use them and be held hostage by this pile of shit. I wouldn't put it past some of these loafers deliberately throwing goals because Rashy isn't getting picked, that's how low I think of them.
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You say he is becoming too loyal to players - how is that possible when he has been in post three weeks and constantly rotated?
 
Sandikan said:
You say that, but keep getting beaten / battered by the likes of Forest, Tottenham, Bournemouth for month after month...
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Well of course nothing is impossible - if he resides over a relegation, then perhaps questions will need to be asked. However, I think he’s going through the kind of situation Arteta found himself in early days.
 
saik said:
Well, I said this before but we better hope results pick up soon. The pressure will be immense in the next couple of months if the results are going to be as inconsistent as this.
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Amorim cannot waiver from his demands on the players even if the inconsistency continues. The club has capitulated in the past under media pressure to throw managers under the bus and managers alike have wavered from their philosophies to get results: terrible combination. There will always be pressure managing United, so we cannot use that to allow the club to continue operating in an incompetent manner. Back Amorim, stick with him, ignore the media nonsense and allow him a full preseason to weed out the players that just don’t have it in them. Amorim is not the reason we shipped 3 goals to Bournemouth today.
 
He needs time and better personalities. Not better players but better personalities. Like he said, we need Roy Keanes. Dalot for example isn’t a bad player, he might not be the best around but he’s shown last season he’s at the very least a decent player. But now he plays shite, makes mistake and what does he do? Puts his hand up and just continues being shite. Bruno, class player, makes a mistake then spins around in frustration, looks to the sky looks to the ground before realising game is still in play before chasing back.

We do have a few who do seem to not let things get their heads down like Hoijlund, De Ligt, Maz, Diallo, Ugarte and I would say Maguire as well. But Amorim’s got a job on his hand and he needs more of these fearless personalities.
 
We've been showing progress in the last few games but today was a return to the form.

Today didn't have much to do with the system though. These players just always have this type of performance in them. We've seen it happen to most of them enough times to know that.
 
jem said:
Well of course nothing is impossible - if he resides over a relegation, then perhaps questions will need to be asked. However, I think he’s going through the kind of situation Arteta found himself in early days.
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I suppose that is the most positive possible outlook to getting beaten easily every week
 
Matt851 said:
You say he is becoming too loyal to players - how is that possible when he has been in post three weeks and constantly rotated?
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It’s simply nonsense. He’s literally binned off the player people wanted binned off the most. To think this fella has loyalty to any of this lot already having watched what he’s watched is hilarious.
 
redshaw said:
It's the 22nd of December, his first PL game was the 1st of December

22 fecking days
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Where we've played 6 league games.


Won against Everton and Shitty only. Lost 3. Drawn 1.

Give or take Shitty scoreline (last minutes penalty and goal(, the reading would be very grim.

We need results ASAP
 
Honestly this is a huge task for Amorim. He's clearly a good manager with an idea of what he wants to do. The issue is that he's working with a group of players who are both technically poor, and mentally weak or lazy.

The issue here is going to be something of a race against time I think. Can Amorim get enough decent players in, and get rid of enough bad apples before the toll of being in charge of a rapidly sinking ship gets to him and he loses some of that confidence in himself?
 
The man gets his chance like most have, the last two games have been a roller coaster, Wrong side imo v spurs and Bournemouth to start. Shit hits the fan and he makes changes OK thats good. Malacia does not work as a wing back he's to slow the CB have to come across way to much to cover that's one point about his team selection v Bournemouth.
He also got now the Rashford shit show he didn't need ie ETH and Ronaldo ..

Give this guy time he be OK.. Europa league he needs 2 wins for top 8, then he needs to know his best 14 players at least to go all out for that league, top 4 or top 10 isn't happening. So his best chance is the Europa league.
 
I blame SJR and INEOS for this shitshow. Instead of sacking Ten Hag and hiring Amorim in the summer, we’ve wasted another 40m on Zirkzee, and Amorim has had to come in mid season with a new system.

I get the xG was in our favor, but we were having a really hard time with their high press and counter press, didn’t match their intensity and looked awkward going forward. I thought we deserved to lose.
 
It is frustrating reading the forum at the moment - some of urgency to improve in recent weeks has been replaced with a lot of fans seeming to be quite happy with that performance today and the most recent ones.

I feel some positivity to the change in manager too, but that will be long gone for everyone if we just drift the rest of the season to a middle bottom half finish. There is urgency to improve. It is not enough to win the xg points at home against bournemouth in a match that looked so easy for them. I don't know where the demand to improve from a few week ago has gone to.
 
DRJosh said:
Amazing how Amorim is now being criticised by some after being praised in previous games for establishing a clear pattern of play.

He has inherited a poor quality team - selling these overpaid players (to buy new ones) will take a couple of seasons at least. I don’t know if our fans will have the patience for this necessary overhaul.

One thing is certain - our recruitment has been absolutely shambolic. To just have Zirkzee and Hojlund as attacking threats is laughable considering our supposed top-4 aspirations.
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I actually don’t think we have as much deadweight in the squad as we think. Some obvious players need to move on: Rashford, Casemiro, Eriksen Shaw, Malacia, Lindelof and Evans (for him it’s just his age). There is talent in the squad though that has been mismanaged in the past and is learning a new system on the fly. That’s a hard ask for any big club. It’s not as if Amorim didn’t warn us, there would be pain as the players adapted to his demands and style of play.
 
euv2 said:
Underlying metrics are mostly positive, and that's what counts the most. Current results are being influenced by the players' mental fragility and terrible errors. The tides will turn, even this set of lacklustre players will get better results. Amorim now has to stick with the players that work for him, no point in trying to play deadwood into form.

The set piece issues highlight all the deficiencies in the United squad, very few players want to fight to get their heads on the ball and out of that subset of players there's like only 3-4 players that have the physicality to go head-to-head with the average Premier League team.
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:+1: Good post, fully agree.
 
I think he should play the best team available at this point. Kill the game and then make subs.
 
The current situation looks a lot like the first phase of Liverpool team under Klopp.
 
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I think he's inherited a fractured squad by way of profile and balance especially in the attack. However, his accountability as a manager is still viable, he can't consistently lose games throughout the rest of the season.

With his contract theoretically up at the end of the 26/27 season pending a years extension, he's not going to get 3 years for instance as Arteta did, I would say that by next season United would need to finish / challenging top four comfortably.

Lots of work to do, some positives as others have mentioned but the team need to make drastic improvements specifically in the defense.
 
We are seeing improvements, but we don’t attack the box with numbers and lack of crosses seems like utd wants to score the perfect goal which is rediculous given lack of goals overall since last season.I guess too early to ask for more attacking impetus and adding extra layer of attack
 
Redstain said:
I think he's inherited a fractured squad by way of profile and balance especially in the attack. However, his accountability as a manager is still viable, he can't consistently lose games throughout the rest of the season.

With his contract theoretically up at the end of the 26/27 season pending a years extension, he's not going to get 3 years for instance as Arteta did, I would say that by next season United would need to finish / challenging top four comfortably.

Lots of work to do, some positives as others have mentioned but the team need to make drastic improvements specifically in the defense.
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Funny because I think it's the opposite, we need a full on attacking rebuild.
 
Giggsy13 said:
Amorim cannot waiver from his demands on the players even if the inconsistency continues. The club has capitulated in the past under media pressure to throw managers under the bus and managers alike have wavered from their philosophies to get results: terrible combination. There will always be pressure managing United, so we cannot use that to allow the club to continue operating in an incompetent manner. Back Amorim, stick with him, ignore the media nonsense and allow him a full preseason to weed out the players that just don’t have it in them. Amorim is not the reason we shipped 3 goals to Bournemouth today.
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Was coming on to have my say but you covered it well. Well said
 
Valencia Shin Crosses said:
What exactly is that though? People keep complaining about "rotation" as if our best XI is some obvious set in stone thing, but I don't really know what it is personally.
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He needs to find it and stick with it for a few games. Maybe one or two players can be changed based on performance but this stop start thing is hindering us.
 
Giggsy13 said:
I actually don’t think we have as much deadweight in the squad as we think. Some obvious players need to move on: Rashford, Casemiro, Eriksen Shaw, Malacia, Lindelof and Evans (for him it’s just his age). There is talent in the squad though that has been mismanaged in the past and is learning a new system on the fly. That’s a hard ask for any big club. It’s not as if Amorim didn’t warn us, there would be pain as the players adapted to his demands and style of play.
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Onana, Maguire Bruno Mount Anthony Zirkzee and Martinez (as a starter anyway) have no place in a team looking to win big trophies,
 
Valencia Shin Crosses said:
What exactly is that though? People keep complaining about "rotation" as if our best XI is some obvious set in stone thing, but I don't really know what it is personally.
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Exactly my thoughts. I’ve no idea what our best lineup is with this formation honestly. The options aren’t great. I’m sure he’s getting closer to working it though.
 
Redstain said:
I think he's inherited a fractured squad by way of profile and balance especially in the attack. However, his accountability as a manager is still viable, he can't consistently lose games throughout the rest of the season.

With his contract theoretically up at the end of the 26/27 season pending a years extension, he's not going to get 3 years for instance as Arteta did, I would say that by next season United would need to finish / challenging top four comfortably.

Lots of work to do, some positives as others have mentioned but the team need to make drastic improvements specifically in the defense.
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First point based on good and credible sources like Mitten is absolutely true. Apparently there are factions within the squad and squad unity has been a major issue. Amorim has a monumental task on his hands and the club and supporters need to absolutely back him.
 
jem said:
Only Bournemouth beat us easily
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And they only beat us easily because we coughed up three incredibly soft goals. On balance of play we were much the better team. Apart from those three goals they didn’t lay a glove on us. Did Onana have to make a save? It was a very different pattern to when we got the same result last season.
 
We really need to sort out our wingback positions this summer. Amad at RWB actually provided some danger and threat at the other end of the pitch, but any other option barely does much in attack. Mazz is ok going forward but our squad lacks so much explosiveness, it’s unreal.

It’s a pity Amad is also our best attacker, so he’s rightfully moved up but we lose a ton of impetus with nothing coming from our wingbacks.
 
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