Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

romufc said:
I never said they should have scored 5. I just said we were quite poor. There was a 2 v 1 where De Ligt intercepted the cross for a tap in.
There was Beto through on goal but he took it wide.
There was 2/3 where their players ran in behind our wing backs.

We got lucky that we scored when we did as our build up was really poor as well in the first half.

Actually our build up has not improved since Ten Hag. We still struggle to build out properly.
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I generally agree, first half I thought we were really poor but second we were good - although it's always easier when an opponent then chases the game because we have a front line that is good in transition. it is early days in a new system though so I think we wait at least a few more games before judging how well it's going.

What I would say about build up is that fielding an extra CB and now having Maz as well as Licha to receive the ball is a pretty mental upgrade on what we had before. De Ligt is also no slouch on the ball. If Shaw comes back and we can put out a back 5 of Shaw - Licha - De Ligt - Yoro - Maz it is an unbelievable change within on season. I would say technical abilities and athleticism were our main issues before, the latter is now the only think I think we're really lacking in.
 
V.O. said:
People making sweeping statements about who the manager does and doesn't rate based on who has been starting after three games when he's come out and said that he wants to rotate is hilarious.
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Exactly. At this stage, he is just getting everyone minutes, working some players back in that have been unfit or completely out of form and seeing who may be able to fit into his system. Not easy doing that when there is 9 games in December.

Plus, we may see that he seems to prefer certain players over the next few months, but that doesnt mean they are going to be in his long term plans. Even on their best days, there are few of these United players that would have walked into Sportings team - certainly not from what they have been showing over the past couple of years. Can they adapt and reach the level of players like Goncalves, Gyokeres and Trincao - that is to be seen.
 
romufc said:
I never said they should have scored 5. I just said we were quite poor. There was a 2 v 1 where De Ligt intercepted the cross for a tap in.
There was Beto through on goal but he took it wide.
There was 2/3 where their players ran in behind our wing backs.

We got lucky that we scored when we did as our build up was really poor as well in the first half.

Actually our build up has not improved since Ten Hag. We still struggle to build out properly.
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Yes, i agree. Everton were crap.

Also, when they opposition is in rest defence, United dont seem to know how to move the ball from front to back. We are still seemingly aimlessly passing the ball back and forth across the back line. Our midfield two were not making themselves available. Hopefully that changes when Kobbie is upto speed as he is the only center mid we have that wants to take the ball in tight positions. I would like to see our back 3 move forward with the ball at feet to start attacks more. That will help open up space for others.
 
gaffs said:
Yes, i agree. Everton were crap.

Also, when they opposition is in rest defence, United dont seem to know how to move the ball from front to back. We are still seemingly aimlessly passing the ball back and forth across the back line. Our midfield two were not making themselves available. Hopefully that changes when Kobbie is upto speed as he is the only center mid we have that wants to take the ball in tight positions. I would like to see our back 3 move forward with the ball at feet to start attacks more. That will help open up space for others.
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Yep, hopefully Amorim can work on that as I feel once we improve on this, we will create more chances.

We are too predictable at the back, passing for passing sake and teams can set traps. We always go sideways and the out ball is the wing back, once it goes there, its a trigger for opponents to press and the ball is recycled back into the CB's, from there we struggle to find our forwards with decent balls and peg teams back.
 
Ali Dia said:
I think Mount or Mainoo with Ugarte is probably our most well rounded midfield as things stand.
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I feel Amorim prefers Bruno over Mainoo in midfield, particularly for this game of magnitude (if Mainoo is available that is) but of course its still early days with Mainoo is still a kid with plenty of time to develop.

I recall the head coach said Mason Mount can play in two positions, assuming the second position is in midfield so that will be interesting as he offers some physicality that Bruno lacks.
 
-Supreme- said:
I feel Amorim prefers Bruno over Mainoo in midfield, particularly for this game of magnitude (if Mainoo is available that is) but of course its still early days with Mainoo still a kid with plenty of time to develop.

I recall the head coach said Mason Mount can play in two positions, assuming the second position is in midfield so that will be interesting as he offers some physicality that Bruno lacks.
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Yep, he came on yesterday to replace Bruno in CM as well. He seems to really like Mount but we will only tell what players he really likes once we have played the big teams.

Right now, it seems like he is rotating the team and will continue to do so until January.
 
romufc said:
Yep, he came on yesterday to replace Bruno in CM as well. He seems to really like Mount but we will only tell what players he really likes once we have played the big teams.

Right now, it seems like he is rotating the team and will continue to do so until January.
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Yes completely forgot he came on for Bruno yesterday.
 
-Supreme- said:
I feel Amorim prefers Bruno over Mainoo in midfield, particularly for this game of magnitude (if Mainoo is available that is) but of course its still early days with Mainoo is still a kid with plenty of time to develop.

I recall the head coach said Mason Mount can play in two positions, assuming the second position is in midfield so that will be interesting as he offers some physicality that Bruno lacks.
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I think he actually mentioned the second position for Mount being RWB but maybe that is just my memory playing tricks
 
Rashford zirkzee Garnacho

Mount Hjolund Bruno

These are the best combos for the front 3 Id think based off these few games.
 
romufc said:
Yep, he came on yesterday to replace Bruno in CM as well. He seems to really like Mount but we will only tell what players he really likes once we have played the big teams.

Right now, it seems like he is rotating the team and will continue to do so until January.
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I imagine if Mount can stay fit he will start. He is well suited to the system and I'd have in that right CAM spot. I can see Bruno playing next to Ugarte. Mainoo is the interesting one, he has so much talent yet it seems he might not have the engine for a b2b role nor the positioning. I'm also not sure he is that creative for a 10 role. Will be interesting who Amorim eventually settles on. I'd imagine he would look to see if he can make Mainoo and Ugarte work at some point.
 
flameinthesun said:
I imagine if Mount can stay fit he will start. He is well suited to the system and I'd have in that right CAM spot. I can see Bruno playing next to Ugarte. Mainoo is the interesting one, he has so much talent yet it seems he might not have the engine for a b2b role nor the positioning. I'm also not sure he is that creative for a 10 role. Will be interesting who Amorim eventually settles on. I'd imagine he would look to see if he can make Mainoo and Ugarte work at some point.
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Yep, looks like Mount is ahead of Mainoo in all positions they can both play.

With Mainoo it is interesting because you want to see him improve and become a top player but I have my doubts in this system.

He is not a 10, many who think Mainoo should start there, need to have a look at his creativity, it isnt there. In the 10, you need to be able to pass, make the move into the box, create and score.

His best attributes are press resistance, short passing and dribbling, in the 10, he needs a bit more dynamism to excel there.

No doubt, we will see Mainoo used with Ugarte alot.
 
romufc said:
Yep, looks like Mount is ahead of Mainoo in all positions they can both play.

With Mainoo it is interesting because you want to see him improve and become a top player but I have my doubts in this system.

He is not a 10, many who think Mainoo should start there, need to have a look at his creativity, it isnt there. In the 10, you need to be able to pass, make the move into the box, create and score.

His best attributes are press resistance, short passing and dribbling, in the 10, he needs a bit more dynamism to excel there.

No doubt, we will see Mainoo used with Ugarte alot.
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I think it's too early to say that. He's not even had a go at the role yet.

And we have already seen some pretty brilliant stuff from him in and around the opposition box. At youth and first XI.

Quick feet, great brain, great first touch, can finish. A lot of that translates to a 10. Especially when there's another 10 to do the winger type stuff.
 
romufc said:
Yep, looks like Mount is ahead of Mainoo in all positions they can both play.

With Mainoo it is interesting because you want to see him improve and become a top player but I have my doubts in this system.

He is not a 10, many who think Mainoo should start there, need to have a look at his creativity, it isnt there. In the 10, you need to be able to pass, make the move into the box, create and score.

His best attributes are press resistance, short passing and dribbling, in the 10, he needs a bit more dynamism to excel there.

No doubt, we will see Mainoo used with Ugarte alot.
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I don't think Mount is ahead of Mainoo at all for the CM position. I think there is a huge underrating of Mainoo defensively, his positioning is actually one of his skills. Of course he has a few lapses occassionally that people jump on, but for the most part he is always there to nip away so many threats. When you add to his physicality and ability to battle for the ball, then you have one hell of a CM for Amorim's system.
 
Darlington Padgett said:
I think that might be the perception because he looks really slow.
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Sure he's not that fast but he's still quite good in duels and puts in a lot of defensive work along with being out best midfielder under pressure.

Just think people are acting like he's a 0 defensively who just takes neat touches when that's not really the case.
 
romufc said:
Agreed. Whilst there is so much to be optimistic about, we have seen this dance before. We cannot be fooled with results this time around.

That was a very poor first half performance against Everton, there were numerous nearly moments for them. I recall them going through on goal a few times but made the wrong decision, I saw numerous times our midfield was dominated in the first 30 minutes where they kept playing in between the lines.

If we play like that against Arsenal, unfortunately, we could hold 4/5 goals against us.

This is why the Arsenal game is quite intriguing for many reasons. a. How will he set up? to take on Arsenal in 90 minutes b. Will we press as high or be pragmatic. c. Did he watch how Arsenal can hurt his style? 5-2 v Sporting.

I hope he looks at all those factors and shows us how good of a tactician he is.
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He left Sporting and we lost already 2 games, 1 against Arsenal and the other one was a league game vs a crappy team. I guess Sporting needs to find another coach.
 
He has a level of self awareness and humility that comes across as so genuine every time he speaks. I find it quite refreshing.
 
Amorim is doing the right thing with squad rotation. He wants the team to press so it’s smart that he’s rotating which is helping his style work. Previous managers was asking players to press for 90 mins with very little changes and the same line up starting 3 games a week. Ain’t happening.
 
romufc said:
Yep, looks like Mount is ahead of Mainoo in all positions they can both play.

With Mainoo it is interesting because you want to see him improve and become a top player but I have my doubts in this system.

He is not a 10, many who think Mainoo should start there, need to have a look at his creativity, it isnt there. In the 10, you need to be able to pass, make the move into the box, create and score.

His best attributes are press resistance, short passing and dribbling, in the 10, he needs a bit more dynamism to excel there.

No doubt, we will see Mainoo used with Ugarte alot.
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Mainoo has played once under the new manager after being injured. Have patience.
 
DJ_21 said:
Amorim is doing the right thing with squad rotation. He wants the team to press so it’s smart that he’s rotating which is helping his style work. Previous managers was asking players to press for 90 mins with very little changes and the same line up starting 3 games a week. Ain’t happening.
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Also keeps the squad engaged and players decently sharp, especially at a time when we truthfully have no idea what the ideal starting XI is even if we know a few names that are certainly in it.
 
Mainoo isn’t slow either. He has quite a relaxed, languid running style but he’s plenty quick when he wants to be.

Give him a few weeks to get up to speed and I can see him excelling in that more attack minded 8 role, carrying into the attacking line in the way we saw Morita doing so effectively for his Sporting side.
 
Werd. said:
No way should we be getting 'smashed' against Arsenal. An honourable loss? Sure, but it shouldn't be a disaster like 7 nil and I don't even think Amorim on his worst day could lose by that much. ETH was a total fraud.
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Under ETH, I think a loss would've been a certainty.
Under Amorim, I do believe we have a chance of a win. Arsenal are a better side though, overall.

I can't believe how bad ETH was. Not sure what happened to him. He was good at Ajax. He was quite good in his first season with us. Then it went downhill really fast.
 
tomaldinho1 said:
I generally agree, first half I thought we were really poor but second we were good - although it's always easier when an opponent then chases the game because we have a front line that is good in transition. it is early days in a new system though so I think we wait at least a few more games before judging how well it's going.

What I would say about build up is that fielding an extra CB and now having Maz as well as Licha to receive the ball is a pretty mental upgrade on what we had before. De Ligt is also no slouch on the ball. If Shaw comes back and we can put out a back 5 of Shaw - Licha - De Ligt - Yoro - Maz it is an unbelievable change within on season. I would say technical abilities and athleticism were our main issues before, the latter is now the only think I think we're really lacking in.
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The wingback position is crucial in Amorim 3-4-3 system. Amad is nailed on at right wingback and likely the first name on Amorim team sheet. But Luke Shaw is nearing 30 and prone to injuries. If we aim to improve and be genuinely competitive under Amorim, we cannot rely on Shaw as our primary option. He would either become an expensive backup or need to be moved on during the summer transfer window. Signing a top quality left wingback in the summer will be a key priority for United and Amorim.
 
red.knight said:
The wingback position is crucial in Amorim 3-4-3 system. Amad is nailed on at right wingback and likely the first name on Amorim team sheet. But Luke Shaw is nearing 30 and prone to injuries. If we aim to improve and be genuinely competitive under Amorim, we cannot rely on Shaw as our primary option. He would either become an expensive backup or need to be moved on during the summer transfer window. Signing a top quality left wingback in the summer will be a key priority for United and Amorim.
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Keep Shaw till Amass is ready.
 
gaffs said:
Yes, i agree. Everton were crap.

Also, when they opposition is in rest defence, United dont seem to know how to move the ball from front to back. We are still seemingly aimlessly passing the ball back and forth across the back line. Our midfield two were not making themselves available. Hopefully that changes when Kobbie is upto speed as he is the only center mid we have that wants to take the ball in tight positions. I would like to see our back 3 move forward with the ball at feet to start attacks more. That will help open up space for others.
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I think we have a very drastically different definition of "aimlessly" if that's what you saw. I saw the CBs were passing around trying to find space either in behind (which we exploited on both sides a couple of times, wide CB to WB) or to shepherd the Everton players to one side of the pitch and quickly switching to the other (usually from left to right with Amad as the receiver).

I really do not think we should be launching attacks just for the sake of launching attacks, that's what caused ETH's back and forth tennis match style games

And this isn't really anything special, most elite teams that utilises patient build up play would pass around the backline with very similar pacing. It ain't route one football
 
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tomaldinho1 said:
What I would say about build up is that fielding an extra CB and now having Maz as well as Licha to receive the ball is a pretty mental upgrade on what we had before. De Ligt is also no slouch on the ball. If Shaw comes back and we can put out a back 5 of Shaw - Licha - De Ligt - Yoro - Maz it is an unbelievable change within on season. I would say technical abilities and athleticism were our main issues before, the latter is now the only think I think we're really lacking in.
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I feel we should only be using this sparingly, against the likes of Arsenal, City, Pool, etc

Against inferior opposition we definitely should keep playing 1 winger and 1 fullback in the wingbacks position

Heck, against significantly inferior opposition, we might even be able to play 2 wingers as the wingbacks with 2 fullbacks as the wide CB
 
I still don't understand why he's reluctant to have Case - Ugarte in midfield. Case is pretty creative when he's not being a sole DM. Those games under RVN, he and Ugarte looked really solid providing platform and linking to attack.
 
Isotope said:
I still don't understand why he's reluctant to have Case - Ugarte in midfield. Case is pretty creative when he's not being a sole DM. Those games under RVN, he and Ugarte looked really solid providing platform and linking to attack.
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Why do you say he’s reluctant? He’s changed the side massively every game. He’s creating a competitive atmosphere to fight for places and giving them all a go. The Arsenal line up will be interesting now he’s seen most of the players.

5 goals in two PL games compared to ETH 8 before he was sacked is a strong start.
 
Steve 007 said:
Why do you say he’s reluctant? He’s changed the side massively every game. He’s creating a competitive atmosphere to fight for places and giving them all a go. The Arsenal line up will be interesting now he’s seen most of the players.

5 goals in two PL games compared to ETH 8 before he was sacked is a strong start.
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You'd think he'd try the pair already by now, if he had that in mind already.

It's a good start, continuing from RVN winning games with Case - Ugarte in midfield.
 
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