Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

Really early doors and won't judge him till the end of the season.

Good things

1. Early goals, looks like we're on it from early on, took forever to score in games under Ten Hag
2. Attack, attack, attack, we're pressing higher, creating more chances. I actually don't mind conceding as long as we score and entertain
3. He has a realistic aura that previous managers didn't have. Looks angry at times, knows a lot has to change and seems a nice coach but not too nice.
4. Seems to make personnel and tactical changes pretty quickly when needed.

Bad things

1. We're not controlling games, that will take time but this needs to change fast.
2. Shaw and Casemiro was madness at the end. Got away with that.

I hope he plays the likes of Garnacho, Diallo, Ugarte, Hojlund and Mainoo.

Players like Rashford, Antony, Casemiro and Mount shouldn't be starting. (People on here see a lot more in Mount than I do. He presses a bit but looks like a 2nd Van der Beek to me)
 
I think I'm starting to see the benefits of 3-4-3... Not necessarily based on the football itself, but it is so useful for 2 reasons:

1. It forces every player apart from the goalkeeper and CF to be prepared to change role and position at any time. You can no longer just be a CB. You might have to play LCB or RCB. As might the fullbacks/wingbacks. And the same principle is true for the CMs, AMs and wingers. And this will undoubtedly turn them into better footballers.

2. Because of the reason above we are far more prepared to deal with injuries! This is a HUGE bonus for us given our history.
 
Scandi Red said:
I think I'm starting to see the benefits of 3-4-3... Not necessarily based on the football itself, but it is so useful for 2 reasons:

1. It forces every player apart from the goalkeeper and CF to be prepared to change role and position at any time. You can no longer just be a CB. You might have to play LCB or RCB. As might the fullbacks/wingbacks. And the same principle is true for the CMs, AMs and wingers. And this will undoubtedly turn them into better footballers.

2. Because of the reason above we are far more prepared to deal with injuries! This is a HUGE bonus for us given our history.
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It also creates really good angles naturally in build up without having the players think too much
 
Valencia Shin Crosses said:
It also creates really good angles naturally in build up without having the players think too much
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That's true. It's very hard to pin down where everyone plays throughout the game. Ugarte and Bruno found themselves in good positions inside the box plenty of times, but they also dropped almost as deep as the CB. Garnacho sometimes looked more like the CF than Højlund and Mount sometimes looked like a winger.

It's made United interesting to watch again!
 
I find his openness and ability to interview well with interesting answers very refreshing.

You can tell he loves the tactical side of the game and very honestly admitted that he’s anxious before games due to his lack of experience with his team and he’s still trying to assess what works, what doesn’t.

I like him. Has a good vibe. He’s also not scared to make changes. HT sub and switched to a back 4 when off the ball with a transition to 3-4-3 when attacking. I don’t think I ever saw EtH make a tactical sub before 75 mins let alone change tactics mid-game.

It’s quite nice to see maybe 2 or 3 players open in the midfield for once rather than a great yawning chasm of no-one.

I’m ignoring some of the melts on here bashing the 3-4-3 system saying it doesnt suit our players. What system suits them then? The one where we don’t score and leak goals ending up 14th in the league? Sit down and have some fecking patience.
 
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Ole'sgunnarwin said:
Really early doors and won't judge him till the end of the season.

Good things

1. Early goals, looks like we're on it from early on, took forever to score in games under Ten Hag
2. Attack, attack, attack, we're pressing higher, creating more chances. I actually don't mind conceding as long as we score and entertain
3. He has a realistic aura that previous managers didn't have. Looks angry at times, knows a lot has to change and seems a nice coach but not too nice.
4. Seems to make personnel and tactical changes pretty quickly when needed.

Bad things

1. We're not controlling games, that will take time but this needs to change fast.
2. Shaw and Casemiro was madness at the end. Got away with that.

I hope he plays the likes of Garnacho, Diallo, Ugarte, Hojlund and Mainoo.

Players like Rashford, Antony, Casemiro and Mount shouldn't be starting. (People on here see a lot more in Mount than I do. He presses a bit but looks like a 2nd Van der Beek to me)
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1st bolded bit: Contradiction. Makes no sense.

2nd bolded: Mount was great tonight? Looked sharp and was key to the 3rd goal.
 
Camy89 said:
I find his openness and ability to interview well with interesting answers very refreshing.

You can tell he loves the tactical side of the game and very honestly admitted that he’s anxious before games due to his lack of experience with his team and he’s still trying to assess what works, what doesn’t.

I like him. Has a good vibe. He’s also not scared to make changes. HT sub and switched to a back 4 when off the ball with a transition to 3-4-3 when attacking. I don’t think I ever saw EtH make a tactical sub before 75 mins let alone change tactics mid-game.

It’s quite nice to see maybe 2 or 3 players open in the midfield for once rather than a great yawning chasm of no-one.

I’m ignoring some of the melts on here bashing the 3-4-3 system saying it doesnt suit our players. What system suits them then? The one where we don’t score and leak goals ending up 14th in the league? Sit down and have some fecking patience.
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The odd thing is that was something he was so good at in his first season up until the carabao cup final. The amount of times he made a change that fully impacted the game and it seemed like every decision was right. Then he just stopped and reverted back to what Ajax fans were very critical of in not making subs or making them far too late.
 
macheda14 said:
The odd thing is that was something he was so good at in his first season up until the carabao cup final. The amount of times he made a change that fully impacted the game and it seemed like every decision was right. Then he just stopped and reverted back to what Ajax fans were very critical of in not making subs or making them far too late.
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Any idea why he just stopped? The injuries? Bad advice from McLaren? Habit? Being bald? All of the above?
 
Some real promising signs there tonight.
The switches of play to the wingback found space time and time again, nice to see us actually put balls in the box for our centre forward but the biggest thing for me was our high press. Absolutely hunting in packs, both wide centre backs pushing up to press their holding midfielders and winning the ball so many times high.
Need to work on our transitions and rest defence but a real promising start.
Ruben also talks the talk, he is such a good communicator and is going to have the press eating out of his hands.
 
DJ_21 said:
Gonna be interesting when Yoro gets into the 11. Maz as been brilliant there the last 2 games and Amorim as seemed to prefer an attack minded RWB with the LWB being the defensive player.
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If that's the case then Mazraoui will displace Dalot with ease.
 
DJ_21 said:
Gonna be interesting when Yoro gets into the 11. Maz as been brilliant there the last 2 games and Amorim as seemed to prefer an attack minded RWB with the LWB being the defensive player.
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He's young, he'll rotate in to start. Don't think he'll be seen a starter for a bit
 
Some good things starting to happen, it was a good game to watch. Of course it was only Bobo Gimps, hopefully we will see improvement in PL league as well.
 
Can’t believe i’m seeing anyone advocate for abandoning the 343, as if this group of players have shown any sort of proficiency in any sort of formation or system. It’s very obvious that living through the growing pains of adapting throughout the season will set us up for success during the entirety of Amorim’s tenure. There are some players that will fit it like a glove, some that will work out just fine after time to adapt and learn, and some who will need to be shifted out which was always going to be the case regardless of who came in to take over.

I would trade missing out on Europe next year entirely as well as losing out on the cups if it means we go into the beginning of next season with a squad fully acclimated to the manager’s bread and butter system and ready to hit the ground running. Plus, sticking with the process will leave us with a very clear idea of what ins and outs we need in the summer and beyond. Players will know more than ever that if they’re not fit for the system that they absolutely will need to move on for the sake of their career.
 
Paul778 said:
Anyone just see his interview on TNT on the pitch with their talking heads inc Hargreaves?

The openness in his conversation is breathtaking
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I've never seen a manager that communicated as well as him.
He pretty much always answers all questions, I don't remember him once blaming refs or bad calls for defeats, even when they were warranted, and he has a way of getting his point across even when reporters were looking for blood or gotcha moments.
And keep in mind that his English isn't really up to the level of his communication skills yet. His discourse in Portuguese is very fluid, and you can see that he's doing "direct translations" when a different turn of phrase would be more effective to get his points across. I suspect he'll improve on that and he'll be amazing the press there like he did here.

bosnian_red said:
He's young, he'll rotate in to start. Don't think he'll be seen a starter for a bit
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Don't be so sure.
Quenda is 17, so you can bet that if he has quality and adapts quickly to what Ruben wants, age will not be a factor.
 
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I'm loving our pressing uptop. There's a clear identity in this now unlike how it was under ETH, which was frankly all over the place.
 
Scandi Red said:
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It's made United interesting to watch again!
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Such a key thing for me personally watching every match. The last 6 months or so of Ten Hag felt like I was rewatching a bad tv show I’ve seen numerous times already but was forced to keep running through the episodes over and over again

Amorim has freshened it all up and has me looking forward to every match day even when I know ultimately we aren’t that great of a team.
 
I do have a horrible feeling we will get battered the second we face a good side. Drawing with Ipswich away and looking vulnerable in a 3-2 victory v the mighty bodo… hopefully we get some good confidence by stuffing Everton
 
hobbers said:
You can see how 4 positions end up doubled up because so many players lack confidence and ability on the ball.

Garnacho Bruno and Malacia sort of had a triangle going but Mount was too busy hiding in someone's pocket on the other side. There's also no way the CMs are meant to act like islands and not pass to each other.
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What was apparent to me tonight, bar a good 25 minutes in the second half, was that we struggled playing between the lines. Both as a result of reluctance from the defenders and lack of movement from those central. We effectively were being forced to play in front of them and down the sides, and I think that’s why there’s a lack of link up centrally.

This is something we need to work on to unlock these tactics, it was key for him at Sporting, so I’m sure he’s working on it. Ultimately though we may need different players we have that ability. A Carrick in midfield, or a Foden type centrally who is always moving and has the ability to operate in tight spaces.

Tonight, in the second half, we’re played with more urgency, better movement, more bravery in passes between the lines and you could see what it could be. We need more of this.
 
I saw a lot of encouraging signs, particularly in the 2nd half. Dalot for all his mistakes made a huge difference on the ball.

As Bodo started pressuring us more, we managed to keep the ball and not just hoof it for them to attack and pin us in our half. That was the most encouraging thing for me. Last few months, we've just seen us retreat to defend the box in the last few minutes every time we were leading.

I saw a lot more pressing, lot more passing and supporting the different players.

I can see Mount/Amad/Mazraoui become a highly productive combination of players.

Also really encouraged to see Bruno play CM and not look lost and overrun. Also playing Shaw and Mazraoui as CBs... This type of approach with players requires lot of system based work and I'm really encouraged by this approach.

As has been said early days and it was only Bodo. Let's see how it goes in the coming months.
 
No miracles upon Amorim’s arrival, but I am seeing more joy on the pitch. The players looked miserable under ten Hag.
 
bosnian_red said:
He's young, he'll rotate in to start. Don't think he'll be seen a starter for a bit
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Once fit I’m quite sure he’ll be a regular starter. He use to always play a 17 year old at RWB for his sporting team.
 
DJ_21 said:
Once fit I’m quite sure he’ll be a regular starter. He use to always play a 17 year old at RWB for his sporting team.
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Sure but it always depends on your competition. If Mazraoui is seen as the main for RCB, he just won't feel the need to rush him in. There will be enough games to go around.
 
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Sure but it always depends on your competition. If Mazraoui is seen as the main for RCB, he just won't feel the need to rush him in.
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True. Like someone’s mentioned to me previously Yoro could always fit in at CCB also. We’ll have lots of options to choose from now so it’s healthy competition that will hopefully keep the players fit and in form.
 
I personally love what im seeing even if the results are not as clean off the start.

Our team already look like we have a fixed tactic and shape and we will try buy the best players for his tactics.

He looks like he is trying out players in all different positions to find out who is good and bad for him long term.
 
Haven't seen this mentioned, have the U-21s etc adapted the tactical and formation principles and philosophy of the first team?
 
Aside from anything else, at the very least he's immediately imposed a style of play on the team. The Erik ten Hag fan club spent two years telling everybody that he "couldn't" play the style of football he wanted because he didn't have the right players, and that's why everything was a disjointed fecking mess. Many of the players might not be good enough in the long run, but they already look better drilled than they ever did under the Dutch charisma vacuum.
 
amagomes93 said:
Pre-Amorim era was garbage for us. Both players and coaches were terrible.

Amorim landed on Sporting in The Middle of The season and finished 4th . Which was about expected, players didn't know any better

The Next season we did a shit ton of critical signings, most of which were nuclear for the league win - Pedro Porro, Pedro Gonçalves, Nuno Santos, João Mário, there was also Nuno Mendes ,Gonçalo Inácio , Tiago Tomás and Matheus Nunes promoted from Youth and João Palhinha returning from loan. I'm probably forgetting a lot! The Squad was truly revamped from One season to the Next.

Those players were very important to us and many of them are in top clubs atm.

Amorim was a great coach but he didn't do anything by his own. He also spent 2 entire seasons refusing a new striker - Paulinho is not good enough and never was, but was our only "9" for ages. Viktor Gyokeres changed our game more than Amorim ever did.

If I think we'll be better off without him? Absolutely fecking not. We are going to be much worse.
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Hopefully Sporting do well. We owe them a lot.
 
Clique said:
Just because you repeat it across the match day thread and here, doesn't quite make it true. Give him and the team time. I fear you want to be right more than you want the team to succeed.
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Well said, poster. Perfect put down, with a little spice
 
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