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Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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I could listen to the man speak all day. Clear as day to see what he is trying to achieve which is more than I could say about EtH even up until the end.
And the post was going so well. Suddenly lost control in the middle of typing and conceded 5 in as many seconds. Still, not a completely lost cause once poster let’s go of a few underperforming agendas.
How refreshing is he in interviews? Eloquent, honest and comes across extremely well. Every time Ten Hag spoke it was like that spot in a team meeting where there’s an invitee from another department who’s been brought in to do an awkward presentation in front of all us who just wanted to get to the pub.
What the actual f.
He has said that he is comfortable whatever tactics they play but he is more concerned with how they are developed in terms of attributes. I think it's right because 90% of those in the youth set up won't play for the first team so it wouldn't be fair to drill them in one tactic specific to a manager they might never play for.
I like that he realises when we need to change and makes them straight away.
It's an agenda being concerned about having Casemiro and Shaw as centre backs?
I get Casemiro but why Shaw?
He already played as a CB and was decent to solid every time.
Well I can confirm that I’m a big fan of the Amorin chant. Catchy and easy to remember.
I like Shaw and he's done OK there. But he's just back from injury and he's next to a very slow player and they got in behind at the end a few times. I think this manager is doing well, I just thought that was a bit risky. There's no agenda.
I dont think there's an agenda. He's just trying things to see what will work out.
ETH was a clown.... thats how I'll be remembering him
Casemiro is a class act. Maybe not the greatest centre back. Shaw was terrific last night. Your remarks about Mount were so off the mark, it’s hard to find the energy to debate them.
Wrong. Glib and disrespectful. You can do better.
Do the goals yesterday highlight a major defensive flaw in this setup, or are people of the opinion this is something that'll largely end up being eliminated once the players are more used to the system and quicker to react to the flow of the game?
The immediate thing that stood out in each was Lisandro Martinez' position and I was ready to lay much of the blame on him for both goals, but this can only be down to instruction. Especially the 2nd it's very apparent he's been asked to press their RCM probably to help with the 3 v 2 overload in midfield in the build-up, and though we don't see some of the build-up to the 1st (as the camera's on Amorim before switching as they take the goal kick) he's high-up the pitch here as well initially rather than alongside De Ligt.
When facing a 3-man midfield, are the wide CB's being tasked to step up and press the wide midfielder if play is building up on their side? If so this seems to be a real danger because if you take the 2nd goal for example - Martinez is charging out far too late to make any impact on the play and as a result Bruno is left stuck between covering that RCM as well as the CM, who is the player who ultimately gets on the ball in space behind him and plays the direct, first-time ball over the top.
Haven't watched much of Sporting so I'm not sure how they have managed this but it appears incredibly risky... (especially if you don't have very quick players in that backline and we know already this is going to be key, but still - I'm not sure there's any CB in the world that would have been able to get out quick enough on that play yesterday to prevent that happening)
The immediate thing that stood out in each was Lisandro Martinez' position and I was ready to lay much of the blame on him for both goals, but this can only be down to instruction. Especially the 2nd it's very apparent he's been asked to press their RCM probably to help with the 3 v 2 overload in midfield in the build-up, and though we don't see some of the build-up to the 1st (as the camera's on Amorim before switching as they take the goal kick) he's high-up the pitch here as well initially rather than alongside De Ligt.
When facing a 3-man midfield, are the wide CB's being tasked to step up and press the wide midfielder if play is building up on their side? If so this seems to be a real danger because if you take the 2nd goal for example - Martinez is charging out far too late to make any impact on the play and as a result Bruno is left stuck between covering that RCM as well as the CM, who is the player who ultimately gets on the ball in space behind him and plays the direct, first-time ball over the top.
Haven't watched much of Sporting so I'm not sure how they have managed this but it appears incredibly risky... (especially if you don't have very quick players in that backline and we know already this is going to be key, but still - I'm not sure there's any CB in the world that would have been able to get out quick enough on that play yesterday to prevent that happening)
ETH clearly wasn't a clown, he got us to 3 cup finals and won 2 of them. All 3 finals were against top 4 opponents. This doesn't happen if you're a clown.
He deserved to be sacked and it wasn't working out. There's no need to go in so deep on him.
What are your thoughts on Mount?
Why all the chat about the centre backs? We didn’t have any on the bench and he said that all of the subs were made due to fitness issues.
A few posters seem worried about the lack of control. For me it’s the opposite. At this point, new coach, new style, need to rotate and to try out players, what we can still hope for is an increase in game domination. What we can’t expect, what’s completely unrealistic, is consistency.
Looking at the four halves we’ve played, the first half (v Ipswich) we had next to no control of the ball, of the midfield. In the second half, ee controlled the ball and the midfield for 95% of the time up to the last third but not farther. In the third half (v Bodø Glimt) we controlled the midfield 85% of the time (I’m not talking about possession!)) up until the last third, a few times only in the last third, and in the fourth half we controlled the game for 95% of the time, including in the last third.
Of course there are stretches and moments in all four halves were we crack up, that’s inconsistency and to be expected now, the point is that they are becoming fewer and shorter stretches continuously.
Looking at the four halves we’ve played, the first half (v Ipswich) we had next to no control of the ball, of the midfield. In the second half, ee controlled the ball and the midfield for 95% of the time up to the last third but not farther. In the third half (v Bodø Glimt) we controlled the midfield 85% of the time (I’m not talking about possession!)) up until the last third, a few times only in the last third, and in the fourth half we controlled the game for 95% of the time, including in the last third.
Of course there are stretches and moments in all four halves were we crack up, that’s inconsistency and to be expected now, the point is that they are becoming fewer and shorter stretches continuously.
I'll give you Casemiro, but Shaw has put in outstanding performances at centre back for us before.
Someone unfunny who wasn’t good at his job?
Not my question, but I’ll take a bite:
For me, Mount yesterday did a tidy and useful job, and probably quite important for the team. He constantly were available, got on the ball, came into pressure from good angles, let the ball flow, made Glimt’s play harder and oiling up out play. Apart from the neat flick through on 3-2 and the shot in the crossbar, there were no Bruno moments (I still love Bruno), but the team players who does all that consistently to set the stave for players like Højlund, Diallo, Bruno,, Garnacho. I thought he had a solid 7 out of 10 performance yesterday, and by no means were a weakness.
I'd really like to see Bruno and Mount as the two 10s.
Very happy with him so far. We're not good, we don't play well but we can clearly see that things are changing. We can see what he wants to do. I enjoy watching our games again.
I cant help it... He overstayed and it went spectacularly wrong. He's in the same boat as some of the other failed managers for us...clowns
You can still be a clown and do that.... Wenger was a clown, as was Benitez (not comparing pedigree obvs)
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It's nice to have a manger that's watching the same game as everyone else tbh The first thing he said post match is that he sees what everybody sees - how many times would ETH try and claim we played well when we played like shit?
The first thing he said post match is that he sees what everybody sees - how many times would ETH try and claim we played well when we played like shit?Playing with the defensive line quite high and proactively pressing up the pitch is inherently a high risk/reward strategy regardless of the specifics of the system being applied.
It's why we've seen some of the best teams in Europe concede goals like the ones we conceded last night.
It gives you the platform to recover the ball quickly and maintain pressure on the opposition for much of the game. But all it takes is for someone to make and individual mistake, lose a 50-50 in the press or for the opposition to make a couple of slick passes and they can be away on the counter.
I think we'll get better at it, but it'll probably always be how we're likely to concede when playing the three at the back.
We’re not going to see things firing on all cylinders for a while yet, and he definitely needs some proper wing backs, but there’s definitely an idea there in terms of keeping the ball better and playing like more of a team rather than a bunch of individuals.
With our physical limitations it’s going to be so important we try and keep the ball as much as possible in the league.
With our physical limitations it’s going to be so important we try and keep the ball as much as possible in the league.
I'm getting those vibes to, though he was fortunate to have Mane.
Yes.
Top 5 possession this season (% figures taken from manutd.com results page):
72% - Man Utd 3:2 Bodo/Glimt (Amorim)
67% - Crystal Palace 0:0 Man Utd (ETH)
65% - Man Utd 7:0 Barnsley (ETH)
60% - Ipswich 1:1 Man Utd (Amorim)
58% - West Ham 2:1 Man Utd (ETH)
Yesterday was a real glimpse of why I can see some of the reasons the manager loves Mount. I don’t really understand how anyone who watched last night couldn’t see the potential there.
That's genuinely promising. To be 1st and 4th already is positive. Too many times in the last couple of years, we've no control even against the lower teams.
He was picking up so many great positions on the pitch but was ignored a lot. Promising alright.
Let's hope he can stay fit for a good spell of games. This formation suits him to a T
Why not Amad & Mount? Think they both have the discipline to hold the shape than a Bruno who I think is a better 8.
Could work. I think the high workrate of Bruno and Mount could be quite destructive in that area.
I agree but then the honesty can backfire, people will interpret his words and misquote them to further an agenda, we have already seen him clarifying that he wasn't criticising Evans but explaining the system, it is an unfortunate reality but an honest man cannot risk speaking honestly because of what others will do with his words.... on a personal note I hope he continues in this vein but also smartens up, last thing he or utd need is needless drama, don't want any factors derailing what I feel is a really promising appointment
There was a point in the first half where Antony had the ball and he went into the space behind the defender and if Antony played him in he'd have been right in behind their defence for a cut back or square ball across the face of goal. The pass involved Antony using his right foot, so it obviously didn't happen!
There was another situation later in the half that was a carbon copy of that too, didn't get the ball then either.