You can still see progress but maybe not the results. They don’t have to go hand in hand.
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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Agree. These are the player I think he will want to progress with.
The issue is, there are not many goals coming from these players.
He said post game that he did more interviews this weekend than he did in 4 years with Sporting
Ya I can imagine the multiple cameras and the Utd manager holding a microphone speaking with 3 pundits alongside him also holding microphones must have looked like they were discussing the evolution of dinosaurs .
It was a dick move from Ed Sheeran , Redknapp licking his hole and then him speaking over the presenter after probably been told in his ear to speak to Ruben.
The sky sports social media team then decide to continue the unprofessionalism and post it with a laughing emoji.
Rant over . Sky annoy me
That’s the concern really as we’ve discussed. I’m not sure what the answer is.
People making such a big deal about Ed Sheeran. The guy was obviously buzzing with the result. Had it been a famous United fan (Stormzy, Usain Bolt or Eamonn Holmes
) coming up and hugging Keane or Neville during an interview, we would be laughing at it. Sometimes we as United fans are so thin skinned over these nothing incidents.As for Amorim, he may not have even known who Ed Sheeran was. Is he popular in Portugal? If you don't know who Ed Sheeran is, then a little ginger hobbit coming upto the interview desk must be very bewildering.
God help Scholesy if he approaches Amorim at the wrong time…People making such a big deal about Ed Sheeran. The guy was obviously buzzing with the result. Had it been a famous United fan (Stormzy, Usain Bolt or Eamonn Holmes
As for Amorim, he may not have even known who Ed Sheeran was. Is he popular in Portugal? If you don't know who Ed Sheeran is, then a little ginger hobbit coming upto the interview desk must be very bewildering.
People making such a big deal about Ed Sheeran. The guy was obviously buzzing with the result. Had it been a famous United fan (Stormzy, Usain Bolt or Eamonn Holmes
As for Amorim, he may not have even known who Ed Sheeran was. Is he popular in Portugal? If you don't know who Ed Sheeran is, then a little ginger hobbit coming upto the interview desk must be very bewildering.
What happens when you’re a new manager at the biggest club in the world. All the attention focuses on you. I get what he’s saying though… he wants to be a loud to just focus on the players but you don’t train 24/7.
Results determine if the progress was enough or not. You can show progress like we did in this season but still not enough because we didn't get the results we wanted. And I hope to see enough progress by the end of the season where I don't need to separate performances from results and be right up there challenging for CL spots. Amorim has been given a lot of raw tools to work with. It's upto him to show his coaching mettle and get this squad to perform to their potential.
Amorim has to find a way to get by with either Rashford, Hojlund or Zerksee uptop for now.
For me, it has to be whoever Amorim thinks can hold the ball up the best and allow the number 10s to be brought into the game while they are facing towards goal. If you have seen Sporting, they are not all about playing out from the back - Inacio and before him Coates would often play long balls upto the forward. As would the keeper.
Amorim had Paulinho at Sporting prior to Gyokeres. His hold up play was great. He was scoring one goal in three games, which is pretty average for a striker at a top team in Portugal.
Who can do that for United? Rashford cant. I liked the look of Hojlund's hold up play when he first came to us, but this year he seems more inclined to hit the deck as soon as he feels contact. Zirksee maybe not be that strong, but could be used to lead the line if he is told to play on the last man - the issue with him though is he has no speed.
Gotta be Hojlund for me, he's shown enough since he's been here to be given a good run. Injuries have disrupted his start to this season but I like his attitude and physical attributes.
We need Amorin Sack watch thread.
Who's that?
You like watching Amorins balls?
I'm torn on whether I like his comments on the media or not...it's a risky game...if he snubs them, you guarantee he'll get a hard time from them.
On the other hand, he's United manager, he will anyway...maybe fighting fire with fire isn't a bad idea, considering they need us more than we need them. What is needed though, is the unequivocal backing of the exec. team - if he's going to make certain decisions about how he deals with the media, it needs to be "one voice" from United.
On the other hand, he's United manager, he will anyway...maybe fighting fire with fire isn't a bad idea, considering they need us more than we need them. What is needed though, is the unequivocal backing of the exec. team - if he's going to make certain decisions about how he deals with the media, it needs to be "one voice" from United.
Maybe ease down a bit with the aggressiveness in your post just because you disagree with it?
Arteta does this, Fergie did this a lot. But yeah go ahead and spin it like I don't get anything. I'm fully aware of all of what you mention, but to a certain extent a manager might not want to put everything out there in detail? If he does this in all 38 gameweeks, you gotta be a bit sceptical and think whether it gives too much away.
It's okay to disagree with another poster and not come off as arrogant as your post right there, you know?
I think this is slightly different though in that he's not necessarily saying the media are coming for him/the team (bar some comments about them not believing) but rather he's saying he wants to strip it back and focus on his job for a while.
I actually think media outlets like The Overlap would commend this way of thinking and hopefully it pays dividends
He isn’t snubbing them per se nor can he say he won’t attend any interviews. He will be fined. I think he was referring more to the post match interviews on the pitch like last night. He has to do the flash interviews post match though. He also doesn’t need to consent to Sky Sports doing a 15-20 minute interview during the week like he did with Gary Neville.
He played it fairly safe at weekend. I get it first game and all but I'm hoping unlike those before him he quickly learns it won't work.
Casemiro, Eriksen and Rashford were safe picks. Maybe even Bruno.
Don't trust the big names Ruben.
Casemiro, Eriksen and Rashford were safe picks. Maybe even Bruno.
Don't trust the big names Ruben.
Not sure where you saw progress this season before ETH got the boot. He was getting neither progress or the results
That was my understanding as well, doing mid week interviews with Gary etc. which I’m all for him cutting out.
Forever Utd tv but your titles better haha
Those were the players he had a chance to work with barring Bruno.
Bruno got a yellow and came back early
Bruno returned early, so he had more time with him than the rest of the internationals.
There were clearly games where we dominated but didn't get the results we deserved. I hate to keep referring to these games, but in my opinion, we should have won against Palace, Brighton, and West Ham. The progress in terms of creating chances was evident. Especially against Palace and West Ham, we should have been out of sight by half-time. The changes they made after the break wouldn’t have mattered if we had already sealed the game, allowing us to control things in the second half.
Of course, we were inconsistent, and games like Liverpool and Spurs happened where we got spanked and deserved feck all. But had we won those three games, we’d be right up there, challenging for the top four—exactly what I expect from Amorim this season. In my view, I place the blame for the Liverpool and Spurs games on ETH, while the squad is to blame for under performing in the other three. So yea, I saw some progress this season but definitely not enough.
If Amorim can get them performing to their potential, I see no reason why we shouldn't be challenging for a top-four finish. Our players aren't as bad as many are making them out to be. I rate all of our summer signings, even Zirkzee, despite his struggles so far. There’s plenty of potential in him, and he could still develop into a useful squad player for us.
Sorry, I get your point. I was a bit strong in my reply. But you are contradicting yourself, no?
"openly talk to the press about your tactics"
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"explained you play one way only? I mean why, give stuff like that away"
If it was that simple, what is he giving away?
I think Mount struggles in this system if he's anywhere but in the 10.
He's a tidy player when on form but has never been a press resistant profile. He almost single handedly lost United the game when coming on after conceding a chance when he was pressed in the wide side of the midfield and lost possession. He doesn't have the range of passing to offer even what Casemiro does in possession (who's underrated for spotting runs) and whenever the conversation turns into a Mount vs Bruno there's only one winner.
I really think Mount is in that one dimensional element, I know he played wide in the UCL for Chelsea but that feels like isolated instances rather than something that's in his arsenal.
If we assess the game yesterday United's biggest struggle was progressing the ball from defense to midfield, Ipswich condensed the middle and no one in the squad aside Mainoo has the technical capacity to overt playing in closed spaces.
If United can target another profile of player who can take the ball comfortably and composed on the half turn, then this team will be able to play through the press and they'll be very competitive with some more options up front.
For instance he said Amad was having an easy time only having to deal with Davis.. or Dalot not up to speed with the new system. Imagine if he goes into details like that all the time that adresses where we’re currently weak and strong according to him.
For me it’s not just this time - it’s the combined value of how often he might do it, the combined knowledge other teams could gather over 38 gameweeks.
Anyways, my original post was an open question. Of course every team in the league has a data team and analyses everything. I just dont get the point of making things easier for said data team.
Yeah hopefully was more a case of who was available
I don’t really buy it was impossible to play Ugarte. By Thursday he'll have played about 3 games in 3 weeks. He hasn't had much football this season.
Hojlund was available as well. Personally I'd like to see Bruno played as a CM. He's done it before and looked good. Would give us a combination of workrate and passing we don't have there.
Looking forward to Thursday though. We should see some changes.
Traveling is a huge factor obviously. He is coming from S.America and was one of the last to arrive. Why rush him and increase fatigue and injury?
Because that's how it is for footballers. They play Thursday, travel and play Sunday. Or Wed and Saturday. Been going on forever.As I mentioned he's also a guy who hasn't played much this season, fatigue shouldn't be an issue yet. Yeah it's not ideal but you do it when the alternative is two midfielders we know can't play together away from home.
We play away in Europe 12th Dec. City on 15th Dec. Do we rest the guys who play on the 12th to avoid fatigue and injury?
I completely agree. I’m not saying I know more than a professional coach but I’ve always been of the opinion if you’re fit enough to come on, you’re fit enough to start.
Especially when the alternative is football suicide.
Well playing on Thursday and again on Sunday is different when you’ve had 4 days to recover from the weekend. But traveling 8+ hours on a flight, with the time difference factor and coupled with the fact he prolly played Tues night/Wed morning isn’t the same situation. Surely you can see that?
This is silly. No reason the accept the status quo.
Very possibly. It’s the managers choice but Amorim seems to be a manager who rotates and makes use of everyone at his disposal. Thats why we have a squad of players and not just 11 + 3 subs.
Agree 100% with this. They need to do this now or we're going to never get anywhere. It's just too much.
Though Amorim seems like he's quite feisty and straightforward. Probably doesn't care if he pisses off the media.
The issue is getting the players to also not care about the media and social media. I think they focus too much on what is being said about them instead of just concentrating on their training. That I think is his biggest task - changing that mindset imho.
Lets us not Over-hype the coach and value him on progress and performances.