What I don't really understand is why is there only two training sessions a week?
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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What I think is insane is speaking about intensity only to play with Casemiro and Eriksen in CM while the likes of Ugarte sits on the bench. And yes we have to brace ourselves to a huge turnover in the first years. That's what the likes of pep and SAF did during their early reign. Else the bad apples will push the manager out before he pushes them
Jesus lads, it’s his first game! Let him get his feet under the table and give him time to work with the squad. He doesn’t strike me as the type to keep players who won’t work so give him time to do his stuff.
@devilish come on, give it a rest
@devilish come on, give it a rest
Ugarte got back late Thursday from international duty. Its been answered in this thread multiple times
I remember this year ETH said something like he was trying to implement a system (what I don't know) and we will start seeing result after some time. Amorim too is suggesting the same. But this time we are shifting from one philosophy to another in mid season. I don't know if that is a right idea or should Amorin stick to basic like set up what the players can execute. Just my thoughts. Not suggesting anything right or wrong. But one thing is sure, if Amorim is trying to get these players do something new then we are in for a bumpy ride for many games for sure. We need to mentally prepare to finish mid table if his idea doesn't click quickly this season.
He has a huge job on his hands. He cant magically instill energy and bite into players either, so god knows how long it will take him. This is the easiest United team to play against I've ever seen and there's no quick fix.
They may as well have.
All managers will want their own players. I checked the Sporting squad when he took over compared to this season and only two players remain.
Maybe the younger ones can be improved with coaching but a lot of them will need to be replaced.
Maybe the younger ones can be improved with coaching but a lot of them will need to be replaced.
I am not criticising the manager. This situation had been going on way before amorim. We bring in a manager who plays and believes into a certain way of football only for him to make a 180 once he's here. It's baffling really
It doesn't have to be that way though.The manager 's job is to manage the team, to get the best out of them.
Not to placate the mob.
Amazing how often someone has to point that out.
I think the standard of his team and that of the opposition may have taken him back abit . He was evidently disappointed in the showing last night.
I don't think anyone really truly impressed him.
I don't think anyone really truly impressed him.
remaining days are for recovery i guess
I support Darlington in the National League North who are part-time and even they have 2 sessions a week
The first thing is repetition, that is how they will learn the new system and unlearn what they have been doing under ETH, repetition takes time, the whole squad has not had time to train together for more than a couple of sessions.
The harder thing will probably be increasing the overall level of fitness, Ole complained about a lack of fitness when he came in, then ETH did the same, now Amorim raises it, is it just a thing for managers to say or is there genuinely some bigger issue with fitness levels
The starting 11 was really defined by injuries and players returning from international duty, he literally had no real option but to start Eriksen and Case, and TBH the rest of the 11 pretty much picked themselves, even if he looked to youth Amas and Gore have only just returned from injury, Collyer is still injured/just coming back, Biancheri and Obi-Martin and others are a way off yet, maybe Wheatly could have got a shout but that would have been a helluva call to play Wheatly in front of Rashford, Hoijlund and Zirkzee in your first game
Team and individual trainings for two days after the match. Then match specific tactical training for two days before the match. I guess.
Danny Murphy has been one of the best MOTD analysts imo, but he really doesn't believe in 3-4-3 be because "the 2 in midfield" will be overrun 90% of the games.. well it's 2 in the middle with 4-4-2 and 4-2-3-1 also.. 2 in the middle is the most common midfield setup atm in general. Not many play pure 4-3-3 or smth.
A fellow Darlingtonian?? Nice!I support Darlington in the National League North who are part-time and even they have 2 sessions a week
Why delay it though? Bumpy ride or not there's no point waiting until the summer which brings it's own issues around player availability. I don't think there's much chance of us getting relegated (touch wood) and if we have to suffer in the short term but start to see a positive change later in the season so be it. I couldn't care less if we're not in Europe next season either. Would be a bonus for me personally.
My opinion is it's one game and I doubt this 11 will be anywhere near what he actually ends up with by the end of the season. Centre Backs won't be the same, Centre Midfielders won't be the same. I think we can instantly improve those two areas with having the right players fit and available. I also think Dalot is not going to be good enough but we'll see. The only worry for me is scoring goals. We don't create enough and when we do we don't finish them. I'm hopeful he can get a tune out of Hojlund but if not that's the first area that needs addressing in the next transfer window.
Do you never bore yourself?
If he stays true to these words, i'm willing to back him for as long as he is the manager.
Ok I'll shut up since I'm boring you
I think it's contractual. It's probably the worst part of their job. They would rather deal with football matters rather than be ultra careful of their words knowing that the media is trying to stitch you up, especially at United.
Season is not a write-off still but I think it makes sense to not delay introduction of the new system. It is what he has immediate expertise in , and he can assess the squad and what will be needed for the summer (or January although low chance)
I'll take the Sportings players squad. Should have been on that plane with the coaching staff.
I don't accept they're bad.
Onana has been one of, if not THE best goalkeeper in the league this season.
Mazraoui is excellent...I watched Evra week-in / week-out and Neville...he's close or on par.
De Ligt is very good, Martinez is very good, Maguire is a good solid top half PL CB...even Lindelof, who's our 5th choice, is captain of the Swedish national team.
Dalot starts every game for Portugal, as does Bruno Fernandes. In fact, Bruno is arguably they're key man.
Mainoo nailed down a position for the English national team over the Summer at 18. Ugarte is a key part of a good Uruguayan team. Hojlund scores plenty for Denmark...
I could go on but you get the point...I DONT accept these are bad players.
Things don't change overnight. Of course it is the right idea. You're a good enough team that you won't get relegated despite the silliness on here at times so you don't need to do what teams at the bottom do and try to do the basics just to survive. You're able to take a risk, like he says and start implementing his plan and style immediately. There's no reason why you should stall that because, again, like he says, you'll just end up with the same problems and situation next season.
Nah. Good man managers give their players a chance. Even with availability, I thought it was striking that he played most of the senior players in the first half. I think he wanted a win, but also had other things he needed to achieve.
ETH abandoned his system pretty early due to those shocking defeats, the difference between suffering a little and full on torture. Utd fans can take a defeat especially if we can see there is a plan, at the very least though Amorim needs to keep it tight and competitive, he cannot repeat the drubbings that ETH put us through, but in fairness playing 343 we should be defensively solid, especially with the return of Martinez, Yoro and Shaw
Ugarte who was away in South America and hasn't really trained with the squad, you think that's crazy? Give it a rest, the manager already said that the selection was not ideal and based on the players who were available for training.
Sounds like you’re massively overrating the standard of international football honestly. As I said they’re not all bad, that much is obvious. Defending Lindelof by saying he’s captain for Sweden is just nothing really. It’s Sweden? No offense to them. As you literally say he’s 5th choice for us, doesn’t that show the level?
I remember LVG abandoning his more gung-ho approach after a early loss too.
Not just any loss, the 5-2 against Leicester with a great AdM goal
Portugal is not some world cup winning team , I don't see how Dalot starting for them makes him a good player. And it's international football at the first place. From what we've seen in the PL(which is what counts)time after time, he's a very limited player. Zirkzee, Hojlund are just toothless , no threat comes from them whatsoever. Case and Eriksen are past it physically as a regular starters. Rashford is done mentally and physically with this football thing. Amad and Garnacho are the only exciting players that could progress into world class (apart from Mainoo who you mentioned). Ugarte might come good but it's still early days.
The less said about Antony, the better.
In a 4-2-3-1 its often the #10 who acts as the 3rd midfielder. 4-4-2 going out of fashion had a lot to do with 2v3 man midfields.
Infact, Murphy is right. Against City, Sporting struggled with the 4v2 in midfield. That's why Amorim changed in at halftime making it more of a 3v4 with one of the inside forwards coming into midfield. We might see something similar with Bruno/Mount as one of the inside forwards.
It's not a huge deal but there's no rule saying a player coming back Thursday is incapable of playing on a Sunday.
In fact it's something that has happened and has to happen given that's our general pattern of games with the Europa.
Imagine dropping players on a Sunday because they travelled back from somewhere on a Thursday. We'd have no team left.
Perfect, thank you.
2 trainings with the full squad is what I thought it was?