Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

[Judas]

Disagree. EtH was a catastrophe, his football was confused, his emotional intelligence and ability to convey his ideas to his players was poor and his in-game management was abysmal.

These are not bad players, I'm not having it for one second. I have watched United week-in, week-out for 30 years, I know what "good" looks like and I know what "bad" looks like too! This is NOT a bunch of bad players, it's a bunch of confused players who have been poorly coached and organised for a long time now.

Surely after so long of being bad eventually you have to come to terms with the fact some of them are.....bad?

Not all of them are bad, but there's clearly a lot of square pegs in round holes, and not even just for these tactics and formation, I'm talking potentially in the league as whole.

 

[Yagami]

Ed Sheeran has a habit of showing up unexpectedly in things that don't concern him

 

[devilish]

Its all good to say now about "Short term pain for long term gain.". But patience has never been our fans' strong point.

yesterday itself we have had people questioning Amorim, his system, etc.

We will have ups and downs in the next few months, esp with 2 games a week till New years. Media will start jumping on the "Bash Amorim" bandwagon, and many of our fans will join that.

United fans are among the most patient in the world. There's no way Real Madrid fans would back a manager who leaves a black hole in central midfield and who think that football starts and end in the eredivisie

 

[P0GBA]

I was happy with the line-up based on his 3-4-3 system. Our 6 highest scoring players in all comps are

• Alejandro Garnacho – 7
• Marcus Rashford – 5
• Bruno Fernandes – 4
• Christian Eriksen – 4
• Casemiro – 3
• Amad Diallo – 3

He managed to integrate all six of them. Scoring goals is our biggest weakness and I think you'll get more goals with Erikson, Casemiro and Rashford than you will with Ugarte, Mainoo and Hoijlund.

 

[horsechoker]

Ed Sheeran has a habit of showing up unexpectedly in things that don't concern him

I hope he shows up in wwe, then gets speared

 

[Tarrou]

It's not like you are required to do so by law.

its in the PL rules that they have to do them I think

 

[devilish]

I genuinely thought Amorim was about to walk off at one point - which I'd have rated.

Sky cheapened football. Suddenly failed managers like Souness and Gaz and 3rd rated CBs with a record of own goals were made to look like football geniuses when in reality they would look average even inside redcafe

 

[Coops73]

His face

Sky sports really is becoming a bit of a joke, they should of just wheeled out that knob Cotterill

 

[Yagami]

I hope he shows up in wwe, then gets spared

If I was as good at making gifs as the legendary @Olly Gunnar Solskjær , I'd put Ed Sheeran's face over Vince's from that famous "IT WAS ME, AUSTIN! IT WAS ME ALL ALONG! moment

 

[Telsim]

This squad can't play his football. Can't keep possession and can't pass. Basic stuff and been like this for a long time, it's not a coaching issue. More importantly, the athleticism that his football demands - the strength, the pace, the intensity - is by far the weakest attribute of this group of players. Old, slow, weak, sloppy.

I don't see how he does it, to be honest. Not without cleaning the Augean stables. This squad isn't good enough. The damage Murtough and Ten Hag did is vast.

 

[GlasgowRedz]

With regards to the interviews, I think it's pretty clear he's talking about ones he's done outside of the pre and post match stuff.

There must have been quite a few purely because it's been his first couple of weeks in the job, the one on one with Gary Neville for example. No issue with him doing the bare minimum to allow him more time to prep with the players, which is what he was driving at.

 

[Stinkypete]

This squad can't play his football. Can't keep possession and can't pass. Basic stuff and been like this for a long time, it's not a coaching issue. More importantly, the athleticism that his football demands - the strength, the pace, the intensity - is by far the weakest attribute of this group of players. Old, slow, weak, sloppy.

I don't see how he does it, to be honest. Not without cleaning the Augean stables. This squad isn't good enough. The damage Murtough and Ten Hag did is vast.

How many old players do we have in the squad? Curious.

 

[Telsim]

How many old players do we have in the squad? Curious.

You can't check yourself?

Casemiro, Eriksen, Evans, Maguire all over 30. Fernandes is 30 but he at least has that body type that seems to age differently.

EDIT: Lindelof, too. I forgot about him.

 

[devilish]

I never understood why successive manager preach about intensity and workrate while sticking to/buying the likes of Rashford, Casemiro and Eriksen
We had polishing turds so much that at this point they should have turned into diamond

 

[RedC]

You can't check yourself?

Casemiro, Eriksen, Evans, Maguire all over 30. Fernandes is 30 but he at least has that body type that seems to age differently.

So 3 players that will be gone in the summer and 1 on big money, from the whole squad. We're doomed.

 

[hellhunter]

I never understood why successive manager preach about intensity and workrate while sticking to/buying the likes of Rashford, Casemiro and Eriksen
We had polishing turds so much that at this point they should have turned into diamond

Don't think either Casemiro or Eriksen were known for low workrate before we signed them. Apart from not being teenagers anymore

 

[devilish]

Don't think either Casemiro nor Eriksen were known for low workrate before we signed them. Apart from not being teenagers anymore

Don't think either Casemiro nor Eriksen were known for low workrate before we signed them. Apart from not being teenagers anymore

Father time is the most predictable thing in football mate

 

[Telsim]

So 3 players that will be gone in the summer and 1 on big money, from the whole squad. We're doomed.

3 out 6 defenders. For a coach that plays 3 at the back. Yeah, everything is absolutely perfect, indeed.

Besides, I didn't mean that the entire squad is old. But that it's a combination of all of those things. Which it objectively is.

 

[ScholesBrain]

The problem is, if we sell Rashford, who are affordable candidates to replace him in the LW/LCAM role? (Garnacho is surely not good enough at this moment)

 

[quadrant]

I never understood why successive manager preach about intensity and workrate while sticking to/buying the likes of Rashford, Casemiro and Eriksen
We had polishing turds so much that at this point they should have turned into diamond

As annoying as it may be for the fans to watch, I think the manager is right to give the players a chance and let them fail for him, rather than judging them on how they let down the last guy. I think the more important thing is not to keep flogging a dead horse when the players have shown their colours to him directly.

 

[hellhunter]

3 out 6 defenders. For a coach that plays 3 at the back. Yeah, everything is absolutely perfect, indeed.

Besides, I didn't mean that the entire squad is old. But that it's a combination of all of those things. Which it objectively is.

Maguire, Evans and?

 

[Telsim]

Maguire, Evans and?

Lindelof. Yeah, I forgot about him, too.

 

[FrankDrebin]

There will naturally be a another turn over of players in the summer then.

Ineos should surely know what to expect or they wouldn't have hired a manager who's clearly married to this particular set up.

I agree with Redknapp to some extent. It's pretty much pointless even analysing the United games now because you imagine half of this team will be moved on in the summer.

 

[BarstoolProphet]

Its all good to say now about "Short term pain for long term gain.". But patience has never been our fans' strong point.

yesterday itself we have had people questioning Amorim, his system, etc.

We will have ups and downs in the next few months, esp with 2 games a week till New years. Media will start jumping on the "Bash Amorim" bandwagon, and many of our fans will join that.

We have had shite thrown in our faces for 1,5 years and still about 50% of us wanted to have some more of that on the back of a single day off from it.

 

[RedC]

3 out 6 defenders. For a coach that plays 3 at the back. Yeah, everything is absolutely perfect, indeed.

Besides, I didn't mean that the entire squad is old. But that it's a combination of all of those things. Which it objectively is.

2 of them are centre backs, we will clearly sign a centre back if we manage to shift Maguire, and we've already brought a youth team centre back in the squad for Ipswich. You're being unnecessarily dramatic.

 

[devilish]

As annoying as it may be for the fans to watch, I think the manager is right to give the players a chance and let them fail for him, rather than judging them on how they let down the last guy. I think the more important thing is not to keep flogging a dead horse when the players have shown their colours to him directly.

That made sense when we had a manager. Now we have a head coach. The likes of Ashworth should have been around for enough time to present amorim with a detailed report on whom should he trust and whom not

 

[Withnail]

The problem is, if we sell Rashford, who are affordable candidates to replace him in the LW/LCAM role? (Garnacho is surely not good enough at this moment)

That's for the club to figure out but it's not as if he's really offering the team a lot at the moment. He did well for the goal but his contribution after that was quite poor. I don't think he's suited to Amorim's setup and he's never shown any aptitude or desire to press effectively.

 

[quadrant]

That made sense when we had a manager. Now we have a head coach. The likes of Ashworth should have been around for enough time to present amorim with a detailed report on whom should he trust and whom not

Yeah but ETH was here before Ashworth, so he will only have their performances under ETH to judge them on, and even then, only during a disaster season. Its not uncommon for players to fail to respond to one manager but enjoy working under another, which is why Amorim needs to start with a blank page. You can't separate people into trustworthy and untrustworthy based on their performances for a single manager, especially when that manager themselves came up short.

 

[zapp]

The problem is, if we sell Rashford, who are affordable candidates to replace him in the LW/LCAM role? (Garnacho is surely not good enough at this moment)

His numbers don't match his wage packet. If his performances were consistently of that level it would be a different matter. As it is we don't get that either.

It's not like we're replacing a Salah-level player here. If the recruitment department can't find a player to give us comparable or better numbers/performances than Rashford, well we're in real trouble.

 

[Lastwolf]

That made sense when we had a manager. Now we have a head coach. The likes of Ashworth should have been around for enough time to present amorim with a detailed report on whom should he trust and whom not

That's kinda insane though, IF there was such a list, those players would need to be sold at all costs, at the earliest convenience and maybe they will be but in the mean time, you have a squad, use them as you see fit. You employeed him to coach, let him coach.

If he suddenly got a tune out of someone thats been considered useless like Zirkzee, happy days, if not it doesn't change anything as they were already on your "get rid" list.

Even in an ideal world, you're not going to see a drift of "first team" players greater than 5 in 5 out at the end of this year, he will need to get the vast majority of this team playing well, which they aren't and haven't been.

 

[George Beast]

With regards to the interviews, I think it's pretty clear he's talking about ones he's done outside of the pre and post match stuff.

There must have been quite a few purely because it's been his first couple of weeks in the job, the one on one with Gary Neville for example. No issue with him doing the bare minimum to allow him more time to prep with the players, which is what he was driving at.

There’s also the MUTV interviews. He did 3 interviews yesterday at least after the game - with Sky sports, with MUTV and post match conference. I’d imagine ideally he’d do just one post match interview

 

[CallyRed]

I've removed all Ed Sheeran songs from my playlist and set fire to the Multiply album I was bought

 

[sugar_kane]

I have a lot of confidence in Amorim, but it's interesting that he has everyone's full backing to stick doggedly to his set-up without the personnel to match whereas that's exactly what ended up getting Ten Hag sacked.

The only difference is (on first showing at least) Ruben's set-up is a lot 'safer' so we're unlikely to get battered as often. That will buy him a lot of time, but I honestly wonder if we'll create as many chances initially as we did under Ten Hag (we just couldn't bloody finish them was the main problem)

At the end of the day, any team started with a midfield pairing of Eriksen and Casemiro (and Evans starting, as good as he's been for us since returning) is going to look average.

I think we'll look far better and his tactics will shine once we have Ugarte, Shaw, Mainoo, Mount, Martinez and Yoro fit.

 

[wolvored]

If it’s the official post match interview I saw, he didn’t say anything about particular players apart from lauding Onana and Amad.

Futv on YouTube this morning have video of all his important quotes and he does mention Bruno and Zirkzee

 

[Plant0x84]

The problem is, if we sell Rashford, who are affordable candidates to replace him in the LW/LCAM role? (Garnacho is surely not good enough at this moment)

If we are playing 2 no.10s then we already have Bruno, Mount, JZ, Amad, Eriksen who can cover that position. Obviously we have Rasmus and JZ for the no.9 position. We’ve got the cover if he is sold although I don’t think he will/should be.

 

[UnofficialDevil]

I’m not worried at all. We are still watching Ten Hag football which is why we were so bad. Amorim has only had the chance to train the team twice, no preseason, no time to implement tactics, no transfers nothing. With each game we will look more like an Amorim team and less like a Ten Hag team.

 

[yamo123x]

Love the new manager and 100% trust in him to change our luck around, he needs our time and our backing and i know our fans will give him this.
He has inherited a squad not a team, and in his first month in the job he will learn alot about these players, who he can work with and who he cant.

I hope Ineos will support him and allow him to be ruthless, because that is exactly what he needs to be , no room for sentiment, no room for reputation, get the inconsistent underperformers out.

 

[Skills]

Id start Casemiro and Ugarte in the midfield 2 until the rest of the team gets familiar with the system. Then you can replace one of them with Mainoo.

Keep a solid base, while the players learn their defensive roles in new position.

It's worth noting when Chelsea won the title under Conte with the 3-4-3 they had a middle 2 of Matic and Kante for the most part. Fabregas would then come in for one of them.

Tuchels Chelsea also used Kante & Joginho in the middle 2.

The only real option we've got is Cas + Ugarte to match that sort of profile. It'll be ugly for a while, but I think Mainoo will quickly learn the role. Investing this learning period into Eriksen is a complete waste of time - he's a liability defensively, and shouldn't be here next season. Bring him on in the last 30 mins.

 

[McTerminator]

The problem is, if we sell Rashford, who are affordable candidates to replace him in the LW/LCAM role? (Garnacho is surely not good enough at this moment)

This has to be a WUM. We could probably replace Rashford by wheeling Bebe out of retirement at this point…

 

[Tony247]

A team without proven goalscorer will get exposed in multiple other issues. First thing we need is a striker (ideally 2 but let's say atleast 1) who can bring that swag in the team. I know it won't solve all other issues but at least the team will have a purpose and confidence in final third.