They're both intense training... probably why. Add more and you're risking them getting knackered. Remember most of them have struggled with stamina under Ten hag.
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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Are you referring to ETH?
If so, that’s in the past. He wasn’t brought in by the INEOS crowd but was fired by them. Game over, that chapter is closed.
His face
"So Ruben, the team were a bit all over the place today weren't they? Speaking of useless piles of shit, look who's come to join us!"
Regarding interviews; Fergie often got pissed off with the idiotic questions and lost patience, so sent Schteve or Carlos out
The club need to protect him from doing too much interview and answering questions. Or just send the assistant to speak.
Where did you get that idea from?
I love how all sort of conclusions and assumptions are drawn from one game.
Hojlund doesnt start, that means he'll be gone soon and Amorim doesnt believe in him.
Eriksen and Casemiro started, that means Amorim has done a 180.
Hojlund doesnt start, that means he'll be gone soon and Amorim doesnt believe in him.
Eriksen and Casemiro started, that means Amorim has done a 180.
Great stuff.
I support Darlington in the National League North who are part-time and even they have 2 sessions a week
Nice to see some other people from Darlo are on this forum. I live on the new estate over at West Park
Exactly.Most of the sports media are acting in bad faith in my opinion.They should get the Fergie treatment.
What a clown show last night with Ed Sheeran interrupting and then Roy Keane telling a family he'd meet him in the car park.
That's what ETH did and look how it ended. Stick to basics I mean.
Sincere apologies for bothering you
I am fine to take a defeat as long as there is a progress and we play nice football. I think its about time we have done that after 14 years of shit. We dont have the squad to win things, maybe we can be a bit more pragmatic in cup games but league should be a playground for "experiments" and building up a system as quickly as possible.
I was referring to the trend were we buy/renew contracts/keep to players that doesn't align to the manager's style of play + managers having to switch to a completely different style of play mere weeks/months after they join us. It happened to lvg, rangnick and ETH. But as said I wish not to bore you guys. So this will be my last post on this matter. I'm simply answering this post because I don't want you to think that I'm ignoring an admin
Football wise, they're bound to be doing gym stuff on other days and playing twice a week too.
Over the next month we have 10 games!! Such a mad schedule means they'll have to very carefully manage recovery and training or we'll have most of the squad burnt out half way through the season.
Ed can and he did. Hope Ruben puts his foot down in this regard. Absolutely cringe.
Sheeran has apologised and said he didn’t realise there was a live interview going on.
There are many things wrong with this squad, where do you even begin as a new manager? Ashworth needs to be cutthroat and get rid of some of the big earners who don't perform and/or are never fit to play, but the club could hardly sell Sancho who came off of a good loan spell so i'm pessimistic.
I don't envy Ruben, it's going to be one hell of a job to get this team back to the top. Hopefully we'll steadily improve under him, I really like him thus far.
I don't envy Ruben, it's going to be one hell of a job to get this team back to the top. Hopefully we'll steadily improve under him, I really like him thus far.
Yeah, I'm sure the desk, microphones and other things didnt give it away.
Results is the answer really. ETH tried to play his preferred style and majority of time results suffered so he switched to a more pragmatic style of football.
I've said it before in this thread but it'll be interesting to see if Amorim has the character to stick to his system even if results continue to suffer. He said it himself that he needs to buy time but if results don't come along the pressure will be huge on him.
The good news is Everton are next at home
They didn’t score in November and Dyche is still sticking with Calvert Lrwin who is a target man not a striker
No risk of conceding more than 1 goal on Sunday and we should easily score 2 or more
Everton’s full backs are the worst in the league
Ashley Young who’s best days are well behind him and Mykelenko who is a poor left back who never goes forward
They didn’t score in November and Dyche is still sticking with Calvert Lrwin who is a target man not a striker
No risk of conceding more than 1 goal on Sunday and we should easily score 2 or more
Everton’s full backs are the worst in the league
Ashley Young who’s best days are well behind him and Mykelenko who is a poor left back who never goes forward
Lovely. Please stick with this principle and don’t give it to the players / others who might want the status quo.
Why would any player want to this status quo of continual failure to continue?
And them talking to the new manager
Manager gets replaced but not them
And how does this improve their situation?
I think he just meant two sessions with everyone available after international duty.
That's stupid though because eventually these players retire, leave or are sold anyway. This is not the same group of players every year, contrary to what most United fans on here think. Casemiro didn't get LVG fired? In fact, no player got him fired, for example.
More than half the CAF will be calling for his head if results don’t come along. Amorim is in a tough position to implement his ideas and style and get results at the same time. Let’s see!
I’ve got a soft spot for Darlington.Nice to see some other people from Darlo are on this forum. I live on the new estate over at West Park
We got our mate to be the mascot for a Darlo v Boston game 2 seasons ago for his stag do. Walked out with David Wheater and was given a strip a size too small. Had to do the pitch walk around with a 9yr old ball boy.
Absolutely hilarious day but was fantastic. Darlo were great sports with it. Won 2-1 too.
As I said above, Amorim said pretty much exactly that. See in the last 20 seconds of the interview: https://www.skysports.com/football/...h-interview-in-full-our-system-isnt-a-concern.
In response to this:
A two-second search shows that there's an Andrew Ward at United who's head of corporate and commercial communications. So yes, he did say that he complained about doing too many interviews to the one person who can decide on that, so it makes sense to say that he requested doing fewer. Whatever the quality of the account otherwise, this is simply correct (enough).
The thing that I'm afraid of is that if the results aren't going his way for the first couple of months, the self-doubt will start to creep in which happens with every manager here. This is when they abandon their tactics and start to experiment with what suits the squad. There's no way out then.
No issue with your post but I do find the posting of random aggregator accounts baffling when the poster could easily have just posted the actual journalists tweet.
Hi all! First time posting.
I am a big Sporting Clube de Portugal fan and, given all the Ruben-Amorim hype, I watched yesterday’s game closely. I watch Man Utd games occasionally, as I like to follow Bruno’s performances, but today I watched with the attention I usually only devote to Sporting and Portugal NT’s games. And I must say, Ruben has a lot of work to do…
Before getting into the performance of individual players, I should say that I thought the whole team seemed too tentative, too much trying to think about the correct positioning, players often too static out of the ball (players need to make their marker doubt whether they’ll be receiving the ball to feet or on space) and not enough confidence and aggressiveness on the ball. I hope that Amorim can improve this quickly, or Man Utd’s football will not be pleasing for a while.
Some thoughts on individual players:
- Rashford – He has pace and some skill. But barring a major change of attitude, I don’t think he will have what it takes to be the center forward for Amorim (or even to be in the starting squad at all). His work rate seems extremely low, as he rarely bothered to press. Also, he seems quite poor at receiving the ball with the back to goal, as both his first touch and strength are unimpressive for the role.
- Garnacho – Seemed the most dangerous player for Man Utd. Thinking about RA’s Sporting setup, I didn’t think that Garnacho would be ideal for an inside forward role, as I didn’t think he has the close control in tight spaces that best suits that role. But this game has made me change my mind about using Garnacho there for several reasons: (1) he definitely is quite skillful, and I think he can learn to play inside; (2) he has excellent work-rate, and I think Amorim will be happy with his willingness to press; (3) at least early on, Man Utd will actually be playing a lot more in the counter than Sporting CP usually does in the Portuguese League, so Garnacho will have a lot of opportunities to run.
- Bruno – My first impression is that BF will have more success as an 8 than as one of the inside forwards under Amorim. I think Bruno is most dangerous the closer he is to goal, as his main strengths are his shooting and passing ability; however, he is not an elite dribbler. Also, he often wants to come deep to get the ball, vacating the inside forward position. He has good workrate and stamina, so I think he can do a job in the box-to-box 8 role in Amorim’s system as long he keeps some positional discipline and limits the Hollywood passes. Early in the second half, Man Utd started to control the game more by having Bruno drop deeper when in possession and form more of an asymmetric 3-5-2 shape in possession. Later, when Casemiro was subbed, Bruno just become the 8. I think he should remain there…
- Amad – He has all the right skills and physical characteristics to play as a right wing-back for Ruben, and he showed them in the game's very first play. He is a similar type of player to Quenda and Geny Catamo, who’ve had great success as Amorim’s right wing-backs. However, later in the game, he seemed to be losing a bit of interest and was quite static in his positioning when off the ball. I hope that was just my impression, and not Amad not giving his 100% for not liking to be constantly in such a wide position.
- Dalot – I think he has good physical and technical attributes for the wingback position. But he seems to have very low confidence at the moment and is afraid of making mistakes. There was one play in which Garnacho was on the ball close to the line on the break with Dalot inside, and rather than making the run for the open space, Dalot preferred to just fall behind Garnacho in the wing. On defense, he also was giving up quite a bit of space to players on the ball, rather than get tight. I hope he can improve a lot…
- Hojlund – It was quite an immediate difference pressing-wise when Hojlund subbed in for Rashford. The lad seems to have quite good workrate and pace. But his decision-making was a bit poor in a couple plays, as he seemed afraid to shoot. Hope Ruben can get him to be more aggressive.
- Zirkzee – Good technique and good physicality, seemed like a player who could do well getting ball with back to goal and serving colleagues. He had a very poor shot at some point, but I think he will improve. I think Ruben may like him as a bench option for an inside forward slot.
I believe Ruben will ultimately be successful. He has implemented a style of play in Sporting that was both successful and a joy to watch, and I think he will eventually be able to implement it at Man Utd. But the path towards it may be a bit slower than my initial, overly optimistic projection...
I am a big Sporting Clube de Portugal fan and, given all the Ruben-Amorim hype, I watched yesterday’s game closely. I watch Man Utd games occasionally, as I like to follow Bruno’s performances, but today I watched with the attention I usually only devote to Sporting and Portugal NT’s games. And I must say, Ruben has a lot of work to do…
Before getting into the performance of individual players, I should say that I thought the whole team seemed too tentative, too much trying to think about the correct positioning, players often too static out of the ball (players need to make their marker doubt whether they’ll be receiving the ball to feet or on space) and not enough confidence and aggressiveness on the ball. I hope that Amorim can improve this quickly, or Man Utd’s football will not be pleasing for a while.
Some thoughts on individual players:
- Rashford – He has pace and some skill. But barring a major change of attitude, I don’t think he will have what it takes to be the center forward for Amorim (or even to be in the starting squad at all). His work rate seems extremely low, as he rarely bothered to press. Also, he seems quite poor at receiving the ball with the back to goal, as both his first touch and strength are unimpressive for the role.
- Garnacho – Seemed the most dangerous player for Man Utd. Thinking about RA’s Sporting setup, I didn’t think that Garnacho would be ideal for an inside forward role, as I didn’t think he has the close control in tight spaces that best suits that role. But this game has made me change my mind about using Garnacho there for several reasons: (1) he definitely is quite skillful, and I think he can learn to play inside; (2) he has excellent work-rate, and I think Amorim will be happy with his willingness to press; (3) at least early on, Man Utd will actually be playing a lot more in the counter than Sporting CP usually does in the Portuguese League, so Garnacho will have a lot of opportunities to run.
- Bruno – My first impression is that BF will have more success as an 8 than as one of the inside forwards under Amorim. I think Bruno is most dangerous the closer he is to goal, as his main strengths are his shooting and passing ability; however, he is not an elite dribbler. Also, he often wants to come deep to get the ball, vacating the inside forward position. He has good workrate and stamina, so I think he can do a job in the box-to-box 8 role in Amorim’s system as long he keeps some positional discipline and limits the Hollywood passes. Early in the second half, Man Utd started to control the game more by having Bruno drop deeper when in possession and form more of an asymmetric 3-5-2 shape in possession. Later, when Casemiro was subbed, Bruno just become the 8. I think he should remain there…
- Amad – He has all the right skills and physical characteristics to play as a right wing-back for Ruben, and he showed them in the game's very first play. He is a similar type of player to Quenda and Geny Catamo, who’ve had great success as Amorim’s right wing-backs. However, later in the game, he seemed to be losing a bit of interest and was quite static in his positioning when off the ball. I hope that was just my impression, and not Amad not giving his 100% for not liking to be constantly in such a wide position.
- Dalot – I think he has good physical and technical attributes for the wingback position. But he seems to have very low confidence at the moment and is afraid of making mistakes. There was one play in which Garnacho was on the ball close to the line on the break with Dalot inside, and rather than making the run for the open space, Dalot preferred to just fall behind Garnacho in the wing. On defense, he also was giving up quite a bit of space to players on the ball, rather than get tight. I hope he can improve a lot…
- Hojlund – It was quite an immediate difference pressing-wise when Hojlund subbed in for Rashford. The lad seems to have quite good workrate and pace. But his decision-making was a bit poor in a couple plays, as he seemed afraid to shoot. Hope Ruben can get him to be more aggressive.
- Zirkzee – Good technique and good physicality, seemed like a player who could do well getting ball with back to goal and serving colleagues. He had a very poor shot at some point, but I think he will improve. I think Ruben may like him as a bench option for an inside forward slot.
I believe Ruben will ultimately be successful. He has implemented a style of play in Sporting that was both successful and a joy to watch, and I think he will eventually be able to implement it at Man Utd. But the path towards it may be a bit slower than my initial, overly optimistic projection...
His face
Notable the idiot was all over him. Then, as soon as Ruben had answered his inane question he immediately turned round looking for him again.
High quality as always from BERKnapp
Because players like rashford get to run less and still collect their fat checks
I think the early attitude of Amorim is hugely refreshing.
EtH consistently played coy and defensive in order to potentially protect players. He was also bloody deluded at times.
Amorim has asked head of comms to reduce media commitments to focus on team - quite bloody right. Coming to United brings with it much more scrutiny, and with the British media being the way they are, this can be a minefield and an art to learn in itself for a new, foreign manager, taking time, resources and energy away from being a head coach. Glad he’s drawn a line.
He’s openly said the quality isn’t there. He mentioned about how the decision making is poor and that’s something you shouldn’t need to coach at this level. Quite agree with him. Seems to be ingrained poor decision making after years of lacklustre coaching needs to be burnt away from many of these guys.
He even called out Evans post match. These guys are grown men, if I was performing poorly at my job I’d expect to be called out. This whole ethos of ‘protecting the players’ boils my piss in certain circumstances. Time for these guys to take ownership of their performances and feel the consequences if they perform poorly. For years these guys have underperformed under various managers, he’s planting the seed early that if you don’t perform, he’ll let you know about it.
I would draw the line at criticising the younger, less experienced players who I think need a bit of protection in order to develop, but a seasoned professional like Evans doesn’t need that.
I like him. I can only hope people give him the time he needs, which, according to the state of the match day thread yesterday, doesn’t seem likely.
EtH consistently played coy and defensive in order to potentially protect players. He was also bloody deluded at times.
Amorim has asked head of comms to reduce media commitments to focus on team - quite bloody right. Coming to United brings with it much more scrutiny, and with the British media being the way they are, this can be a minefield and an art to learn in itself for a new, foreign manager, taking time, resources and energy away from being a head coach. Glad he’s drawn a line.
He’s openly said the quality isn’t there. He mentioned about how the decision making is poor and that’s something you shouldn’t need to coach at this level. Quite agree with him. Seems to be ingrained poor decision making after years of lacklustre coaching needs to be burnt away from many of these guys.
He even called out Evans post match. These guys are grown men, if I was performing poorly at my job I’d expect to be called out. This whole ethos of ‘protecting the players’ boils my piss in certain circumstances. Time for these guys to take ownership of their performances and feel the consequences if they perform poorly. For years these guys have underperformed under various managers, he’s planting the seed early that if you don’t perform, he’ll let you know about it.
I would draw the line at criticising the younger, less experienced players who I think need a bit of protection in order to develop, but a seasoned professional like Evans doesn’t need that.
I like him. I can only hope people give him the time he needs, which, according to the state of the match day thread yesterday, doesn’t seem likely.
It will probably take a lot of time since:
1. The players are poor. This is a place 7-9th squad. Poor technical levels and poor athleticism. Lot of fans overrate our players based on emotions.
2. Some underperformers such as Rashford and Antony are on huge contracts. Impossible to sell.
3. The squad is not built for or used to playing 343, eg lack of quality wingbacks. Will take time to implement new ideas and tactics.
4. Limited funds to buy new players.
5. We are absolutely terrible at scouting.
Pointswise we are not far off top 5 but we struggle against most teams in the league. Top 5 finish would be a miracle.
1. The players are poor. This is a place 7-9th squad. Poor technical levels and poor athleticism. Lot of fans overrate our players based on emotions.
2. Some underperformers such as Rashford and Antony are on huge contracts. Impossible to sell.
3. The squad is not built for or used to playing 343, eg lack of quality wingbacks. Will take time to implement new ideas and tactics.
4. Limited funds to buy new players.
5. We are absolutely terrible at scouting.
Pointswise we are not far off top 5 but we struggle against most teams in the league. Top 5 finish would be a miracle.
As long as there's progress on the pitch, it'll be grand. The problem with previous managers was lack of progress. I think the majority will accept an 8th place finish if we're starting to play functional football that's nice on the eye. For now.