Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

Frankly it's embarrassing seeing us at the top of the spending tree with such little to show for it. It's about time we got the most out of the current crop while adding a few players every window. I'm sure quite a lot need refining in their games while others just need to move on and have had plenty of opportunities to prove themselves. Signing 5 players every window is extremely costly while we hardly get anything back from selling. I hope Amorim extracts as much as possible from the players as he can.
Hate it say it but Liverpool have done well with so little turnover. Although I think that will end once their core players (Salah,etc) move on.
 
saik said:
Has been plagued with injuries. Not due to his quality as a player. If he stays fits(big if), he can easily contribute more. He has shown it previously in this very league.

Did we overpay? Yes, paying 55m for a guy with 1 year left on his deal is clear overpaying but I don't think anyone thought he'd be injured as much as he has.
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The injuries are certainly unfortunate. But he has also been fit for long enough periods to be able to show his worth here imo. Has not done nearly enough.
 
Plant0x84 said:
“United cannot play the way we play, they cannot be so defensive. We will have to adapt.”

“I know how I am going to play in the beginning because you have to start with a structure that you know. We don’t have a lot of time to train, so I have to show something that I know very well.”

These quotes for me point to a back 4. United don’t know how to play a back 3 with wing backs. He acknowledges there isn’t much time to train, and I think the last bit means he is aware he has to deliver from the start ( just my interpretation I could be wrong) as opposed to imposing a system that he knows but the players don’t.
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Time will tell but feel you have misinterpreted this one.

He is very specific, he will go with something HE KNOWS, not the players he doesn't say I will accommodate my philosophy or style to fit the team. He simply says they cannot play defensively. The 343 isn't defensive. That's a 1990s English 442 is king opinion.
 
One telling part of Amorim's interview that has been overlooked in these pages is the fact that he said, as a player, he played every position apart from GK and CF. He stated that that is partly what he meant by team and a team player. I suspect that he will be expecting many of the current squad to have that adaptability and to not moan about it.

Keane had it. He played anywhere in midfield, full-back, CB. Wes Brown, Phil Neville, O'Shea ... adaptable. Rio played everywhere! It was a privilege to pull on the shirt and play anywhere for United and the manager.

Of the current squad I think that Mazraoui, Dalot, Martinez, DeLigt, Mainoo, Fernandes, Mount, Shaw, Zirkzee, Amad, Garnacho, Antony and even Rashford to a degree could be adaptable. Malacia could play FB or LWB. Maguire, Lindelof and Evans are comfortable in a back 3 or back 4.

Now, I expect the usual suspects to chip in with "Rashford - get rid," and "Antony is the worst ever signing," and Mount, Shaw, Malacia are never fit etc. But there are plenty of other dedicated threads for spleen-venting.

I am optimistic.
 
Gordon S said:
The injuries are certainly unfortunate. But he has also been fit for long enough periods to be able to show his worth here imo. Has not done nearly enough.
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I have to disagree on that. I don't think he's had decent run of games staying fit to show something. Always been in and out after like 5 games.
 
P-Nut said:
Depends what a restricted budget amounts to. 1 or 2 big signings and a couple of squad fillers shouldn't be an issue. I'd say there's 3 glaring holes in the squad at present in a 343 and hopefully we have players that can grow and make at least 2 of those positions their own.

CM we hope Mainoo is the real deal and can adapt to Amorim
ST hopefully Hojlund benefits from Amorims coaching as much as Gyokeres.
LWB is looking a challenge, but there is potential in Amass
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Agree with this, we shouldn't be having £300m windows just to replace some of the rubbish we have with some more rubbish. Amorim said he has to win time, he also has to win money by turning some of the players we have into useful pieces in the squad and win some price money through high league finishes and deep Cup runs.

He can also save himself some money by cultivating the talented youth we have into credible first team players. Suppose he turns Amass into a workable wingback, that means in the summer he probably just needs a striker and CB. He will get money but to maximise on the impact of that money he has to fill out the rest of the squad with repair jobs and punts on youth talent.

That's how everyone else, who is not Man City does it, Liverpool wouldn't afford to spent what they spent on Van Djyk and Allison if they didn't develop Arnold, squeeze out some years out of Milner and do some brilliant scouting on Robertson.

Reddevildans said:
Frankly it's embarrassing seeing us at the top of the spending tree with such little to show for it. It's about time we got the most out of the current crop while adding a few players every window. I'm sure quite a lot need refining in their games while others just need to move on and have had plenty of opportunities to prove themselves. Signing 5 players every window is extremely costly while we hardly get anything back from selling. I hope Amorim extracts as much as possible from the players as he can.
Hate it say it but Liverpool have done well with so little turnover. Although I think that will end once their core players (Salah,etc) move on.
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Agree with this, it's incumbent upon him to recognize the players who are willing to revive their careers here and those who are just done and don't give a shit anymore. In as much as we disparage Antony, I am sure he is someone who has enough motivation to do well if he is managed correctly and that includes getting through to him to accept a role change and to be more aware of surroundings as he has the work rate and intensity needed in a modern team.

Dalot, Mazraoui, Casemiro, Mount, Mainoo,Amass, Shaw, Amad and Rashford all have it in them to be useful enough to allow him to postpone a few major purchases and get that £80m striker that will be a key difference maker.
 
No training pics yet is a little bit strange. Did he read that telegraph article and quit on the spot?
 
Blood Mage said:
No training pics yet is a little bit strange. Did he read that telegraph article and quit on the spot?
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Think he more educated than that... Telegraph who have got alot of things wrong or believe in who interviewed him... hmm
 
UnsungHero said:
That isn't the basics? It's about keeping a proper shape, tracking runners, being careful with the ball.

Under ETH there were huge gaps everywhere and it made the team easy to play against.

If people think Amorim is going to have this squad of players looking great in a 3-5-2 in the space of a week, you're in for a nasty shock...
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It was the ‘get the players giving 100%’ comment that I was replying to dude. Any player giving less than that shouldn’t be near the squad, let alone worrying about tactics.

Of course I don’t expect the finished article vs Ipswich or Glimt, but if we are in disarray and dropping points in those games then we really are in trouble this season and you know how that will play out on here and how quickly the mood will darken.
 
Plant0x84 said:
It was the ‘get the players giving 100%’ comment that I was replying to dude. Any player giving less than that shouldn’t be near the squad, let alone worrying about tactics.

Of course I don’t expect the finished article vs Ipswich or Glimt, but if we are in disarray and dropping points in those games then we really are in trouble this season and you know how that will play out on here and how quickly the mood will darken.
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Fair do's - there are big question marks over most of the players, so we'll see what they are made of!
 
Looking forward to next Sunday. We might even lose (wouldn't be surprised) but at least we're going into something new.
 
Stinkypete said:
Time will tell but feel you have misinterpreted this one.

He is very specific, he will go with something HE KNOWS, not the players he doesn't say I will accommodate my philosophy or style to fit the team. He simply says they cannot play defensively. The 343 isn't defensive. That's a 1990s English 442 is king opinion.
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Nonsense.
 
Plant0x84 said:
“United cannot play the way we play, they cannot be so defensive. We will have to adapt.”

“I know how I am going to play in the beginning because you have to start with a structure that you know. We don’t have a lot of time to train, so I have to show something that I know very well.”

These quotes for me point to a back 4. United don’t know how to play a back 3 with wing backs. He acknowledges there isn’t much time to train, and I think the last bit means he is aware he has to deliver from the start ( just my interpretation I could be wrong) as opposed to imposing a system that he knows but the players don’t.
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You have to be kidding me. Can you read? Or are you just engaging in engagement farming on forums?
 
Tom Van Persie said:


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Exactly what I've been saying for months.

The current squad is already capable of a 70+ points tally over a 38 game league season. Ten Hag had them massively underperforming for more than a year.

A good number of the players with no real future at the club are in the last year of their contracts: Eriksen, Evans, Lindelöf, maybe Maguire as well. We've already got rid of a lot of players last summer too: AWB, McTominay, Greenwood, van de Beek, Martial, Varane, Sancho.

Casemiro and Antony might be difficult assets to sell, but both of them provide at least some usefulness to the squad. Still, it's only just two players and I'm sure there will be opportunities to sell Casemiro to Saudi Arabia or somewhere outside Europe, and I think Antony will accept that he has to leave if he barely gets any game time, rather than warming the bench with no future at the club.

If you look at our wage bill, we've put ourselves in a really good position over the last 24 months and now actually have a lot of space for new players, and to offer our current best performers improved terms when the time for that comes.

Our lowish net spend last summer, combined with many "pure profit" sales (McT, Greenwood, Carreras, Kambwala) to help PSR, as well as the supposed continued external investment into the club by Ratcliffe should put us into a healthy financial status as well, with a lot of money to spend on the market, if we wish to.

I think this squad doesn't need gutting at all. A few departures and a few good additions each summer will see us turn into title contenders within the next two seasons IMO, if Amorim and his coaching staff are as good as we, and Ineos want to believe they are.
 
Demon Barber said:
One telling part of Amorim's interview that has been overlooked in these pages is the fact that he said, as a player, he played every position apart from GK and CF. He stated that that is partly what he meant by team and a team player. I suspect that he will be expecting many of the current squad to have that adaptability and to not moan about it.

Keane had it. He played anywhere in midfield, full-back, CB. Wes Brown, Phil Neville, O'Shea ... adaptable. Rio played everywhere! It was a privilege to pull on the shirt and play anywhere for United and the manager.

Of the current squad I think that Mazraoui, Dalot, Martinez, DeLigt, Mainoo, Fernandes, Mount, Shaw, Zirkzee, Amad, Garnacho, Antony and even Rashford to a degree could be adaptable. Malacia could play FB or LWB. Maguire, Lindelof and Evans are comfortable in a back 3 or back 4.

Now, I expect the usual suspects to chip in with "Rashford - get rid," and "Antony is the worst ever signing," and Mount, Shaw, Malacia are never fit etc. But there are plenty of other dedicated threads for spleen-venting.

I am optimistic.
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Its not been overlooked by me, I've mentioned his teamwork comments in a few of my posts.
He values teamwork highly. Which translates to, he won't allow players to not track back and do their due diligence, the days of these players allowing runners to skip past them without putting in a challenge or chasing them down is over now. Those players know who they are and we know who they are.... It's sink or swim time, im really looking forward to this.
 
Loved Rubens first interview, and really felt it when he said we will see 'an idea'. Which is what we've been lacking for a while. I don't expect the results to be the deciding factor in his first few games, but if he can give the fans something that encourages us all then I will be happy.

With that said, I will be judging him on the personel he picks in his first few line ups, for far too long we've tried to smash together as many attacking players as possible, to the detriment to the midfield, control of the ball/pitch/territory and overall chance creation. For me, chances are created when you have control, not by just having loads of attackers on the pitch at once.

I'd much rather see a team like this:
Onana
Back 3
Mazraoui - Ugarte - Casemiro - Dalot
Bruno - Amad
Højlund

Than something like this:
Onana
Back 3
Mazraoui - Ugarte - Bruno - Garnacho
Amad - Rashford
Højlund

Now ignoring those players for now as they are not important, it was more to illustrate the point that we need to be solid, have players in their natural positions and not asking them to do things that sacrifice the natural strengths of their games.

For instance, when Kobbie comes back, depending on how we are setting up, do we get him in those front positions where he can do damage (yet still provide defensive energy when needed) or do we stick him in a double pivot, taking away some of his attacking threat and placing more responsibility on the 6 all in order to get an 'extra' attacker on the pitch (which becomes moot when we don't have the possession high enough up the pitch)?

Having not watched loads of his Sporting team I'm interested to see if the back 3 in itself helps us keep it solid and keep good possession, or if we need to still get bodies in midfield, in which case I'd much rather forsake an attacker or two for control of the game. It always seems to me like ETH tried to get all his good players or attackers on the pitch at once, leaving big holes in the middle of the field and it being pointless anyway as we couldn't create any chances for them.
 
Malons said:
It's right the budget is restricted. We can't be signing a brand new squad every two or three years. He's going to have to work with what he has, utilise some of the young players, be expected to raise money to fund additional purchases and stick with one or two key signings each year. I think honestly that's preferable to what was going on before.
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Ruben amorim transfer budget charity car wash outside old trafford.
 
Rojofiam said:
Exactly what I've been saying for months.

The current squad is already capable of a 70+ points tally over a 38 game league season. Ten Hag had them massively underperforming for more than a year.

A good number of the players with no real future at the club are in the last year of their contracts: Eriksen, Evans, Lindelöf, maybe Maguire as well. We've already got rid of a lot of players last summer too: AWB, McTominay, Greenwood, van de Beek, Martial, Varane, Sancho.

Casemiro and Antony might be difficult assets to sell, but both of them provide at least some usefulness to the squad. Still, it's only just two players and I'm sure there will be opportunities to sell Casemiro to Saudi Arabia or somewhere outside Europe, and I think Antony will accept that he has to leave if he barely gets any game time, rather than warming the bench with no future at the club.

If you look at our wage bill, we've put ourselves in a really good position over the last 24 months and now actually have a lot of space for new players, and to offer our current best performers improved terms when the time for that comes.

Our lowish net spend last summer, combined with many "pure profit" sales (McT, Greenwood, Carreras, Kambwala) to help PSR, as well as the supposed continued external investment into the club by Ratcliffe should put us into a healthy financial status as well, with a lot of money to spend on the market, if we wish to.

I think this squad doesn't need gutting at all. A few departures and a few good additions each summer will see us turn into title contenders within the next two seasons IMO, if Amorim and his coaching staff are as good as we, and Ineos want to believe they are.
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Exactly, people are getting confused between gutting and money to spend.

I can guarantee that we will spend money, however not the reckless way we have done over the years, that will be the key difference.
Lets be honest, under a different regime, we pay 70m for De Light and 50m for Zirkzee.

The squad right now is in a good place, we could do with raising our technical floor but this will come. INEOS have had 1 summer window and you can see how its going.

Coaches should be under more pressure to improve players, something Ten Hag was not held accountable for. The problem he had was majority of the signings didnt do well.

This season, De Ligt, Mazroui, Ugarte, Yoro I can see doing well and they are all a good age.
 
Solius said:
Some of you are such glass half empty people.

There is absolutely untapped potential in the squad, especially from players just signed and those who have underperformed. Amorim is undoubtedly a better manager than ten Hag having done it in a more competitive league, and has the charisma to actually get players running through walls for him. It really could just be a case of these players being instructed poorly and we could see some playing so much better in a system where everyone knows their roles. Some might not but to just tar them all with the same brush is reductive.

It's the same as those saying ETH spunked 600m down the drain. Does this figure include Ugarte? Yoro? De Ligt? Martinez? It's just such a pointless catch-all way of looking at things.
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Not much point with the positivity Sol, it'll just get drowned out with the constant moaning and negativity. Misery loves company, and all that.
 
Solius said:
Some of you are such glass half empty people.

There is absolutely untapped potential in the squad, especially from players just signed and those who have underperformed. Amorim is undoubtedly a better manager than ten Hag having done it in a more competitive league, and has the charisma to actually get players running through walls for him. It really could just be a case of these players being instructed poorly and we could see some playing so much better in a system where everyone knows their roles. Some might not but to just tar them all with the same brush is reductive.

It's the same as those saying ETH spunked 600m down the drain. Does this figure include Ugarte? Yoro? De Ligt? Martinez? It's just such a pointless catch-all way of looking at things.
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Can’t we ban the dopes who try and drag us all down… please?
 
romufc said:
Exactly, people are getting confused between gutting and money to spend.

I can guarantee that we will spend money, however not the reckless way we have done over the years, that will be the key difference.
Lets be honest, under a different regime, we pay 70m for De Light and 50m for Zirkzee.

The squad right now is in a good place, we could do with raising our technical floor but this will come. INEOS have had 1 summer window and you can see how its going.

Coaches should be under more pressure to improve players, something Ten Hag was not held accountable for. The problem he had was majority of the signings didnt do well.

This season, De Ligt, Mazroui, Ugarte, Yoro I can see doing well and they are all a good age.
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We will keep spending a lot of money, no doubt, as we have been doing in most summers in the last 11 years.
 
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