New manager bounce coming soon.
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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Time will tell but feel you have misinterpreted this one.
He is very specific, he will go with something HE KNOWS, not the players he doesn't say I will accommodate my philosophy or style to fit the team. He simply says they cannot play defensively. The 343 isn't defensive. That's a 1990s English 442 is king opinion.
One telling part of Amorim's interview that has been overlooked in these pages is the fact that he said, as a player, he played every position apart from GK and CF. He stated that that is partly what he meant by team and a team player. I suspect that he will be expecting many of the current squad to have that adaptability and to not moan about it.
Keane had it. He played anywhere in midfield, full-back, CB. Wes Brown, Phil Neville, O'Shea ... adaptable. Rio played everywhere! It was a privilege to pull on the shirt and play anywhere for United and the manager.
Of the current squad I think that Mazraoui, Dalot, Martinez, DeLigt, Mainoo, Fernandes, Mount, Shaw, Zirkzee, Amad, Garnacho, Antony and even Rashford to a degree could be adaptable. Malacia could play FB or LWB. Maguire, Lindelof and Evans are comfortable in a back 3 or back 4.
Now, I expect the usual suspects to chip in with "Rashford - get rid," and "Antony is the worst ever signing," and Mount, Shaw, Malacia are never fit etc. But there are plenty of other dedicated threads for spleen-venting.
I am optimistic.
Keane had it. He played anywhere in midfield, full-back, CB. Wes Brown, Phil Neville, O'Shea ... adaptable. Rio played everywhere! It was a privilege to pull on the shirt and play anywhere for United and the manager.
Of the current squad I think that Mazraoui, Dalot, Martinez, DeLigt, Mainoo, Fernandes, Mount, Shaw, Zirkzee, Amad, Garnacho, Antony and even Rashford to a degree could be adaptable. Malacia could play FB or LWB. Maguire, Lindelof and Evans are comfortable in a back 3 or back 4.
Now, I expect the usual suspects to chip in with "Rashford - get rid," and "Antony is the worst ever signing," and Mount, Shaw, Malacia are never fit etc. But there are plenty of other dedicated threads for spleen-venting.
I am optimistic.
I have to disagree on that. I don't think he's had decent run of games staying fit to show something. Always been in and out after like 5 games.
Agree with this, we shouldn't be having £300m windows just to replace some of the rubbish we have with some more rubbish. Amorim said he has to win time, he also has to win money by turning some of the players we have into useful pieces in the squad and win some price money through high league finishes and deep Cup runs.
He can also save himself some money by cultivating the talented youth we have into credible first team players. Suppose he turns Amass into a workable wingback, that means in the summer he probably just needs a striker and CB. He will get money but to maximise on the impact of that money he has to fill out the rest of the squad with repair jobs and punts on youth talent.
That's how everyone else, who is not Man City does it, Liverpool wouldn't afford to spent what they spent on Van Djyk and Allison if they didn't develop Arnold, squeeze out some years out of Milner and do some brilliant scouting on Robertson.
Agree with this, it's incumbent upon him to recognize the players who are willing to revive their careers here and those who are just done and don't give a shit anymore. In as much as we disparage Antony, I am sure he is someone who has enough motivation to do well if he is managed correctly and that includes getting through to him to accept a role change and to be more aware of surroundings as he has the work rate and intensity needed in a modern team.
Dalot, Mazraoui, Casemiro, Mount, Mainoo,Amass, Shaw, Amad and Rashford all have it in them to be useful enough to allow him to postpone a few major purchases and get that £80m striker that will be a key difference maker.
Where the training pics at?!!!
The journalists are struggling to get pics over Ten Hag's wall
Amazed my phone hasn't pinged yet.
Nothing up on GettyImages yet.
feck all on mumsnet or Chilevisión.
No training pics yet is a little bit strange. Did he read that telegraph article and quit on the spot?
Amorim doesn't allow photographers, only court room artists
Where is @Art when you need him?
Think he more educated than that... Telegraph who have got alot of things wrong or believe in who interviewed him... hmm
It was the ‘get the players giving 100%’ comment that I was replying to dude. Any player giving less than that shouldn’t be near the squad, let alone worrying about tactics.
Of course I don’t expect the finished article vs Ipswich or Glimt, but if we are in disarray and dropping points in those games then we really are in trouble this season and you know how that will play out on here and how quickly the mood will darken.
Probably!
Fair do's - there are big question marks over most of the players, so we'll see what they are made of!
Looking forward to next Sunday. We might even lose (wouldn't be surprised) but at least we're going into something new.
Nonsense.
Are the lads back in training ?
You have to be kidding me. Can you read? Or are you just engaging in engagement farming on forums?
No harm in provoking discussion.
I’d struggle to engage on a discussion forum if I couldn’t read. There’s no need to be like that.
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Exactly what I've been saying for months.
The current squad is already capable of a 70+ points tally over a 38 game league season. Ten Hag had them massively underperforming for more than a year.
A good number of the players with no real future at the club are in the last year of their contracts: Eriksen, Evans, Lindelöf, maybe Maguire as well. We've already got rid of a lot of players last summer too: AWB, McTominay, Greenwood, van de Beek, Martial, Varane, Sancho.
Casemiro and Antony might be difficult assets to sell, but both of them provide at least some usefulness to the squad. Still, it's only just two players and I'm sure there will be opportunities to sell Casemiro to Saudi Arabia or somewhere outside Europe, and I think Antony will accept that he has to leave if he barely gets any game time, rather than warming the bench with no future at the club.
If you look at our wage bill, we've put ourselves in a really good position over the last 24 months and now actually have a lot of space for new players, and to offer our current best performers improved terms when the time for that comes.
Our lowish net spend last summer, combined with many "pure profit" sales (McT, Greenwood, Carreras, Kambwala) to help PSR, as well as the supposed continued external investment into the club by Ratcliffe should put us into a healthy financial status as well, with a lot of money to spend on the market, if we wish to.
I think this squad doesn't need gutting at all. A few departures and a few good additions each summer will see us turn into title contenders within the next two seasons IMO, if Amorim and his coaching staff are as good as we, and Ineos want to believe they are.
Its not been overlooked by me, I've mentioned his teamwork comments in a few of my posts.
He values teamwork highly. Which translates to, he won't allow players to not track back and do their due diligence, the days of these players allowing runners to skip past them without putting in a challenge or chasing them down is over now. Those players know who they are and we know who they are.... It's sink or swim time, im really looking forward to this.
Loved Rubens first interview, and really felt it when he said we will see 'an idea'. Which is what we've been lacking for a while. I don't expect the results to be the deciding factor in his first few games, but if he can give the fans something that encourages us all then I will be happy.
With that said, I will be judging him on the personel he picks in his first few line ups, for far too long we've tried to smash together as many attacking players as possible, to the detriment to the midfield, control of the ball/pitch/territory and overall chance creation. For me, chances are created when you have control, not by just having loads of attackers on the pitch at once.
I'd much rather see a team like this:
Onana
Back 3
Mazraoui - Ugarte - Casemiro - Dalot
Bruno - Amad
Højlund
Than something like this:
Onana
Back 3
Mazraoui - Ugarte - Bruno - Garnacho
Amad - Rashford
Højlund
Now ignoring those players for now as they are not important, it was more to illustrate the point that we need to be solid, have players in their natural positions and not asking them to do things that sacrifice the natural strengths of their games.
For instance, when Kobbie comes back, depending on how we are setting up, do we get him in those front positions where he can do damage (yet still provide defensive energy when needed) or do we stick him in a double pivot, taking away some of his attacking threat and placing more responsibility on the 6 all in order to get an 'extra' attacker on the pitch (which becomes moot when we don't have the possession high enough up the pitch)?
Having not watched loads of his Sporting team I'm interested to see if the back 3 in itself helps us keep it solid and keep good possession, or if we need to still get bodies in midfield, in which case I'd much rather forsake an attacker or two for control of the game. It always seems to me like ETH tried to get all his good players or attackers on the pitch at once, leaving big holes in the middle of the field and it being pointless anyway as we couldn't create any chances for them.
With that said, I will be judging him on the personel he picks in his first few line ups, for far too long we've tried to smash together as many attacking players as possible, to the detriment to the midfield, control of the ball/pitch/territory and overall chance creation. For me, chances are created when you have control, not by just having loads of attackers on the pitch at once.
I'd much rather see a team like this:
Onana
Back 3
Mazraoui - Ugarte - Casemiro - Dalot
Bruno - Amad
Højlund
Than something like this:
Onana
Back 3
Mazraoui - Ugarte - Bruno - Garnacho
Amad - Rashford
Højlund
Now ignoring those players for now as they are not important, it was more to illustrate the point that we need to be solid, have players in their natural positions and not asking them to do things that sacrifice the natural strengths of their games.
For instance, when Kobbie comes back, depending on how we are setting up, do we get him in those front positions where he can do damage (yet still provide defensive energy when needed) or do we stick him in a double pivot, taking away some of his attacking threat and placing more responsibility on the 6 all in order to get an 'extra' attacker on the pitch (which becomes moot when we don't have the possession high enough up the pitch)?
Having not watched loads of his Sporting team I'm interested to see if the back 3 in itself helps us keep it solid and keep good possession, or if we need to still get bodies in midfield, in which case I'd much rather forsake an attacker or two for control of the game. It always seems to me like ETH tried to get all his good players or attackers on the pitch at once, leaving big holes in the middle of the field and it being pointless anyway as we couldn't create any chances for them.
See below
Hopefully point clearly made.
1000 minutes of sporadic football.
Ruben amorim transfer budget charity car wash outside old trafford.
Exactly, people are getting confused between gutting and money to spend.
I can guarantee that we will spend money, however not the reckless way we have done over the years, that will be the key difference.
Lets be honest, under a different regime, we pay 70m for De Light and 50m for Zirkzee.
The squad right now is in a good place, we could do with raising our technical floor but this will come. INEOS have had 1 summer window and you can see how its going.
Coaches should be under more pressure to improve players, something Ten Hag was not held accountable for. The problem he had was majority of the signings didnt do well.
This season, De Ligt, Mazroui, Ugarte, Yoro I can see doing well and they are all a good age.
Not much point with the positivity Sol, it'll just get drowned out with the constant moaning and negativity. Misery loves company, and all that.
Can’t we ban the dopes who try and drag us all down… please?
Kukonki at centre half, Evans…
Around 8 players trained today from the first team, the rest start coming back tomorrow and Wednesday
We will keep spending a lot of money, no doubt, as we have been doing in most summers in the last 11 years.
Kukonki has played at LB too a few times.
Does that include the fans who relentlessly whinged about ETH the last 12+ months ?
The overly miserable doom merchants. You know who.
Look at his physique He'd be bullying half of our 1st team squad from day one.
He'd be bullying half of our 1st team squad from day one.I agree with all this but differ very much on Kobie, I think he has to be developed as a well rounded midfielder as I don't see much more in him in an attacking sense beyond great technique. As a first phase orchestrator he has potential and he has shown potential to develop his defensive game to a level where he won't need carrying in a double pivot. If he can increase his stamina he'd be a great midfield General.
Look at his physique
Maybe he doesn't have his full squad together yet..