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buckooo1978 said:
thats exactly the point

and if we paid for arguments sake 15 million pounds for Barkley or someone like that I doubt he'd be paid 20k a week

he'd be demanding a decent starting wage I imagine

thats assuming the pogba thing is an issue of money
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Maybe because - as it's turned out - he doesn't have the right attitude for the club. In that I don't mean that he shouldn't have been disappointed by some midfield selections last season, but he should've been all the more assured when SAF made the public effort of talking up his credentials and his future as a first-team player.

With regards to Barkley, I wonder whether there's any chance they'd sell him this summer - did he come back from his injury OK? I can't deny that it would help the development of our younger players to have a core group of same nationals. That could be Cleverley, Welbeck, Smalling, Jones and Barkley. Quite tasty.

Haven't really seen him enough - but Everton fans keep raving about him in the same manner they did Rooney. Has he not been linked with a move recently, gone off the radar? Intriguing at the very least.

Don't want to miss out on the next Oxlade-Chamberlain quality youth, and given the talk about Barkley, he sounds even more promising
 
Mersault said:
Maybe because - as it's turned out - he doesn't have the right attitude for the club. In that I don't mean that he shouldn't have been disappointed by some midfield selections last season, but he should've been all the more assured when SAF made the public effort of talking up his credentials and his future as a first-team player.

With regards to Barkley, I wonder whether there's any chance they'd sell him this summer - did he come back from his injury OK? I can't deny that it would help the development of our younger players to have a core group of same nationals. That could be Cleverley, Welbeck, Smalling, Jones and Barkley. Quite tasty.

Haven't really seen him enough - but Everton fans keep raving about him in the same manner they did Rooney. Has he not been linked with a move recently, gone off the radar? Intriguing at the very least.

Don't want to miss out on the next Oxlade-Chamberlain quality youth, and given the talk about Barkley, he sounds even more promising
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We havent missed out. Powell #25
 
Mersault said:
Maybe because - as it's turned out - he doesn't have the right attitude for the club. In that I don't mean that he shouldn't have been disappointed by some midfield selections last season, but he should've been all the more assured when SAF made the public effort of talking up his credentials and his future as a first-team player.

With regards to Barkley, I wonder whether there's any chance they'd sell him this summer - did he come back from his injury OK? I can't deny that it would help the development of our younger players to have a core group of same nationals. That could be Cleverley, Welbeck, Smalling, Jones and Barkley. Quite tasty.

Haven't really seen him enough - but Everton fans keep raving about him in the same manner they did Rooney. Has he not been linked with a move recently, gone off the radar? Intriguing at the very least.

Don't want to miss out on the next Oxlade-Chamberlain quality youth, and given the talk about Barkley, he sounds even more promising
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Are they but? Admittedly i only know one Everton fan, but he is completely underwhelmed by Barkley given the hype that surrounded him before he played for them. He wouldn't be against cashing in on him now before he becomes the next Franny Jeffers.
 
But are the comparable. Wouldn't Barkley be a more physical presence, capable of holding his own in that famous saying: midfield two :) he certainly looks more physical. He's got height as well. I was under the impression that Powell was a winger/behind the striker type of player. Then again, I've never ever seen Powell play so I don't know what to make of him...but always excited to see us go after young talent.
 
Cutch said:
Are they but? Admittedly i only know one Everton fan, but he is completely underwhelmed by Barkley given the hype that surrounded him before he played for them. He wouldn't be against cashing in on him now before he becomes the next Franny Jeffers.
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Yeah, the few I know wouldn't want him to leave for 20m. They seem to think he's going to be the next big thing. They're not that special about Rodwell though. If Barkley is half as good as the vibe they're transmitting, I'd be very interested...
 
Mersault said:
But are the comparable. Wouldn't Barkley be a more physical presence, capable of holding his own in that famous saying: midfield two :) he certainly looks more physical. He's got height as well. I was under the impression that Powell was a winger/behind the striker type of player. Then again, I've never ever seen Powell play so I don't know what to make of him...but always excited to see us go after young talent.
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6'0 and good in the air from what I've heard. Gradi said he tracks back well

Might not be his main qualities, but we'll have to see where Sir Alex has in mind for him. Its not likely to be the same position as Kagawa... Else why sign 2?
 
Ekeke said:
6'0 and good in the air from what I've heard. Gradi said he tracks back well

Might not be his main qualities, but we'll have to see where Sir Alex has in mind for him. Its not likely to be the same position as Kagawa... Else why sign 2?
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Interesting. He's only 18 though isn't he, and never had a taste of top level football, so probably behind Barkley in his development. The fact he's versatile and young could also allow for him to slowly be introduced into the first-team fold in the season likely to be Giggs' and Scholes' last. Can't wait for the pre-season games :drool:

Do you think he'll be thrown straight in there? It's a major step up, I'd expect him to take at least a year of playing reserve games and getting bench time with the seniors with the odd outing here and there...non?
 
Mersault said:
Interesting. He's only 18 though isn't he, and never had a taste of top level football, so probably behind Barkley in his development. The fact he's versatile and young could also allow for him to slowly be introduced into the first-team fold in the season likely to be Giggs' and Scholes' last. Can't wait for the pre-season games :drool:

Do you think he'll be thrown straight in there? It's a major step up, I'd expect him to take at least a year of playing reserve games and getting bench time with the seniors with the odd outing here and there...non?
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I think from the comments out there already from Gradi etc. we managed to convince him he'd get chances to play in the first team this season. He was told about how Ronaldo came in at that age and impressed off the bench, so he kept him in the team. I'm pretty sure we dont tell every young player about Ronaldo as if to say you can do this too

And at the same time I'm sure we arent talking about the next Ronaldo. But still it sounds to me like he'll be used as a sub and if he impresses he'll have every chance of staying in the team for a while. Whether thats in central mid, behind a striker or wherever else I have no idea. We'll just have to wait and see

But seeing that he's scored a number of blinders already in his early career and we sold Gibson, who Sir Alex was quite keen on in certain matches. Like some big champions league matches. Then my guess is he's going to replace that goalthreat from midfield in the squad. And at the start probably take the same sort of games Gibson was picked in or came off the bench in.
 
He's boss and according to our site (i didn't see the U-19 England game last night) he bossed the midfield in that game too. Started the move that lead to the goal and also hit a great strike off the bar.

Seriously, he's too good for that level and he should be getting chances this year.
 
Strong rumours that Cahill is leaving to an arab club, so if he does Barkley might get a run of first team games to kick on.

---Fellaini---Gibson---
-Pienaar-Barkley-Naismith
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Would be a great lineup if we manage to get Pienaar. Good thing about Barkley is that he's not afraid to do the dirty and track back. With our midfield as it is though (Rodwell, Osman etc in the squad too) i'd like him to unleash all his attacking threat.

Definitely good enough and has the attributes to play in a midfield two though.
 
SilentWitness said:
Strong rumours that Cahill is leaving to an arab club, so if he does Barkley might get a run of first team games to kick on.

---Fellaini---Gibson---
-Pienaar-Barkley-Naismith
--------Jelavic----------

Would be a great lineup if we manage to get Pienaar. Good thing about Barkley is that he's not afraid to do the dirty and track back. With our midfield as it is though (Rodwell, Osman etc in the squad too) i'd like him to unleash all his attacking threat.

Definitely good enough and has the attributes to play in a midfield two though.
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Just out of interest, what fee would you find acceptable for Barkley if pushed?
 
Maybe a bit cheeky but in the current climate and considering Baines is being touted at around 15 million (i think he's worth that as he's an excellent player, but Barkley will be better) then around 20-25 million...
 
Yeah. It would probably be in the player's best interests to stay for at least this season and get 25-30 games in the league if he can. I just worry that his value will rocket and it'll be between City and Chelsea after that. It could be a shrewd move to buy him now and loan him back for the season, if a deal is at all possible. We'll definitely have the space to accommodate him next season (and I'd argue now too)...
 
buckooo1978 said:
thats exactly the point

and if we paid for arguments sake 15 million pounds for Barkley or someone like that I doubt he'd be paid 20k a week

he'd be demanding a decent starting wage I imagine

thats assuming the pogba thing is an issue of money
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Smalling signed on for a very low wage, and then got an enormous increase after a good season in the first team. It's how it should be, you have to earn your money at this football club. Pogba can feck off.
 
how many years does he have left on his contract?

we need to start turning heads of players like barca and madrid early on and get them to run down their contracts. ozil, khedira, jordi alba, sahin all moved for buttons because of this.
 
VoetbalWizard said:
how many years does he have left on his contract?

we need to start turning heads of players like barca and madrid early on and get them to run down their contracts. ozil, khedira, jordi alba, sahin all moved for buttons because of this.
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Mersault said:
Yeah. It would probably be in the player's best interests to stay for at least this season and get 25-30 games in the league if he can. I just worry that his value will rocket and it'll be between City and Chelsea after that. It could be a shrewd move to buy him now and loan him back for the season, if a deal is at all possible. We'll definitely have the space to accommodate him next season (and I'd argue now too)...
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His contract runs until 2016 so I'm confident we can get 2 or 3 years of solid first team action from him. We might see a Jones situation if United are interested though. Buying him a year earlier if other clubs are interested.
 
Cina said:
I don't really think the clubs buying him care about what he's done for you, somehow.
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I agree. If he played crap for us they'd still be wanting to spend 15 million on him. Weird.
 
The premium on English players mean that you have to pay 20 million for players like Downing

With that in mind Baines is worth 15 million - if Baines was French/Italian etc he'd be worth 7/8 million

We have a strong English squad contingent - we can afford to go abroad for Evra's replacement/competition
 
Word at Finch Farm is that he got caught on some charlie back in December.

Bad news!
 
Signing Barkley would feel a bit like settling for second best after seeing Pogba dominate him for the reserves. Shame really as I thought he'd be our next signing from Everton based on some of his preseason cameos and what id heard about him.

As someone said above though, Barkley will end up at Chelsea if he has a good season for Everton. Lampards replacement.
 
pocco said:
Signing Barkley would feel a bit like settling for second best after seeing Pogba dominate him for the reserves. Shame really as I thought he'd be our next signing from Everton based on some of his preseason cameos and what id heard about him.
As someone said above though, Barkley will end up at Chelsea if he has a good season for Everton. Lampards replacement.
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So because Pogba dominated Barkley in that certain game he's now second best to him? I saw nothing special in Pogba's cameos that he made this year for you. You could argue that he didn't get enough time though. Whereas Barkley, at 17, started the first game of the season against QPR and was arguably MOTM.
 
I still see him ending up a United player. Very similar situation to Phil Jones. We will move when we have to. We are currenlty happy to let him get games at Everton.

That said its a bit strange from a glazers point of view. We surely could have save a lot of money by signing Jones earlier.
 
In the middle as a playmaker. I've said that for this season he'd probably get chances playing in the whole as Fellaini/Gibson/Rodwell/Osman pack the Midfield 2 so he might not get a run there. But if you mould him into an AMC you could end up losing what else he brings to the team... He has the strength and determination to get the ball back, but then the composure to dribble with the ball and find the pass whether simple or not.
 
are there any actual quotes from Fergie that we are even interested in signing this kid at all or is this all just caf-fuelled bull
 
SilentWitness said:
In the middle as a playmaker. I've said that for this season he'd probably get chances playing in the whole as Fellaini/Gibson/Rodwell/Osman pack the Midfield 2 so he might not get a run there. But if you mould him into an AMC you could end up losing what else he brings to the team... He has the strength and determination to get the ball back, but then the composure to dribble with the ball and find the pass whether simple or not.
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how often did he play last season

how good do you rate him

I remember a few Everton supporting mates claiming James Vaughn was the next big thing a few years ago
 
buckooo1978 said:
how often did he play last season

how good do you rate him

I remember a few Everton supporting mates claiming James Vaughn was the next big thing a few years ago
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4 starts and 5 sub appearances for the first team and 13 games for the reserves.

I think he will be an England starter and a top team starter.

Tbh, what has been the case with many of our promising youngsters is horrific injury problems.
 
SilentWitness said:
So because Pogba dominated Barkley in that certain game he's now second best to him? I saw nothing special in Pogba's cameos that he made this year for you. You could argue that he didn't get enough time though. Whereas Barkley, at 17, started the first game of the season against QPR and was arguably MOTM.
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Pogba put in some decent cameos for us, mainly against Stoke and Bilbao. I'm not saying Barkley is a bad player, I do rate him, but Pogba was very good in my opinion. It didn't help either that Barkley had a bit of a nightmare against us at Goodison this season.

What position do you think he will end up playing?
 
I've watched all his first team games and he looks like a brilliant prospect to me. For a player of his age he is way ahead of time in terms of decision making.
 
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