If it winds Kelvin McKenzie up, let's sign him.
Ross Barkley | Stays at Everton
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All luxury players. We already have Mata as a luxury player in the team and he will see less and less game time. A Kroos or Modric type player would be nice though. Barkley definitely will improve a little. Jose might take a punt on him if Fabinho goes elsewhere
I think if Sir Alex was still our manager, Barkley would have been snapped up a couple of years ago. I bet Fergie loves him!
As it is, I'm a huge fan. but he doesn't fit the requirements we need right now. We have Pogba as a class No.8 who carries the ball forward, we don't need Barkley. We need a solid DM to compliment Pogs and Herrera.
But make no mistake about it; whoever gets Barkley is getting 12-years of potential, but he needs to be managed right. Wenger would be a great gaffer for him.
As it is, I'm a huge fan. but he doesn't fit the requirements we need right now. We have Pogba as a class No.8 who carries the ball forward, we don't need Barkley. We need a solid DM to compliment Pogs and Herrera.
But make no mistake about it; whoever gets Barkley is getting 12-years of potential, but he needs to be managed right. Wenger would be a great gaffer for him.
First Barkley and Fabinho are different types of players, so the transfer of one has no bearing on the other.
Those 'luxury' players, like Hazard, Eriksen, De Bruyne etc, are usually essential in turning 1pt into 3pts, which we failed to do on many occasions last season. Yes we have Mata, but we need an upgrade in that department.
Getting Morata to replace Zlatan simply take us to a similar level to what we had early last season, we need to add more quality in the final 3rd to take us a level higher.
I'd really like him as a squad player. If we could get him cheap, last year of his contract etc., don't see why not. Doubt he expects to start here so he'd give us something interesting off the bench and if we're lucky maybe he develops incredibly, competition is always good
I would buy him. Try a 30m offer and lets see how they react
Not the kind of quality a club with our ambitions should be after. Even the Everton fans I've heard think he is brainless.
There seems to be very little interested in him for some reason by most clubs.
There seems to be very little interested in him for some reason by most clubs.
He had a good season and is quite underrated on here, since we only watch the top games mostly. The only English player gettable this summer alongside Keane, that would give us something we need. I would take James obviously, but Barkley wouldnt cost a bomb. He is still a bit too raw, but he needs to make the next step, and Everton doesnt seem to be the place for him to do that, same with Lukaku. Selling Rooney and buying Barkley wouldnt be a bad move.
Barkley is one of those very overrated just because he's English players. We should steer away from this one, just a waste of money.
It would at least send Rooney more signs he won't get any minutes.
I think he is better than others at the club, and would improve our options.
I'd take him at the right price.
I'd take him at the right price.
Fabinho and Barkley are very different but if Jose can't find a suitable alternative if Fabinho says no then he may look to play Herrera as a DM with Barkley and Pogba on either side.
Can't really compare Hazard to Ozil. Most deadly attacker in the league to a playmaker who gets berated most games for not showing enough heart.
For sure we need more quality in the final 3rd and that will naturally come if we can sign a Fabinho type player who will give Pogba and Herrera more freedom to attack. Mkhitaryan and Rashford should improve from last season and perisic and Morata will most certainly bring far more energy than Ibra and Martial so with Morata, Perisic and Fabinho if we get them we might just be fine without the need for an extra Ozil type player.
His progression has stalled.
Looked a United player few seasons ago. Not the last 2 seasons though.
Maybe a move to us it exactly what he needs, but i think that was a SAF us. Not a Jose United. A good player no doubt but has lost his way a bit, still young so could develop still.
I say no on this one, for now
Looked a United player few seasons ago. Not the last 2 seasons though.
Maybe a move to us it exactly what he needs, but i think that was a SAF us. Not a Jose United. A good player no doubt but has lost his way a bit, still young so could develop still.
I say no on this one, for now
I'd take him for £30m. He can provide cover for Herrera and Pogba. 6 players for 3 positions (ignoring Fellaini) as follows;
.......Fabinho
Herrera ... Pogba
.......Carrick
Pereira .... Barkley
.......Fabinho
Herrera ... Pogba
.......Carrick
Pereira .... Barkley
Mourinho will get his DM. If it is not Fabinho, it could be Matic or another, but he will get his DM. Herrera will not be our starting DM next season
Hazard and Ozil can be compared as the both play similar roles in their team in being the primary creator in the final 3rd. Since joining Arsenal, Ozil has led the team in assists and chances created. People accuse Ozil for not showing enough heart (worsened by his lakadaisical style), but that is reflection of the team than the player. Not many quality players will be enthused playing for a team whose perennial ambition is to finish 4th and get embarrassed in CL. You do not rack up 20 assists in a season without having the quality and putting in enough effort. Watched Ozil at Bremen and Madrid, and am sure that if he plays for a coach like Mourinho, Conte or Pep, he would be a different player.
Signing a DM will give more freedom to Pogba, but Pogba's strength is not in creating in the final 3rd. Mkhi and Rashford are more scorers than creators and an improvement for them will likely see them score more goals than create for others. The lack of creativity will also affect Morata. Zlatan often had to drop deep last season to help create chances. Mata is the best creator we have but he is simply not good enough. Without that improved creative attacking midfielder, qualifying for CL should be fine, but I expect us to struggle to compete for the PL and go deep in the CL.
If we want to compete with the best we need to add a quality AM. The other teams are not waiting around for us to catch up and we need to improve more than them to over take them. I like the signing of Lindelof and likely arrival of Fabinho and Morata. Think we just need a solid LB and a quality AM to make us competitive enough for the PL title next season.
Are we refusing a Barcelona transfer to get him benched? Worrisome, although Herrera is not likely to make a fuss about it. I just think we'll play a midfield two most of the time, and Fabinho/Matić/whoever and Herrera to play according to the needs of the particular game. Fabinho for more cover behind, Herrera for pressing ahead. Of course, in harder games, Mourinho might be tempted to revert to 4-3-3 and find room for them all.
Herrera will still play significant minutes just that it would likely be lesser than Pogba and Fabinho. Herrera would play in various situations like
- he would start when either Pogba or Fabinho is absent due to suspension, fatigue or injury
- he would start when we play 4-3-3 against a stronger midfield
- he would start in place of fabinho we want a more offensive line-up
- sub to close out a game
- tactical scenarios like needing to man mark Hazard.
He would likely be Mourinho swiss army knife, similar to how he used Diarra at Madrid. He would use him in different roles to implement a myriad of tactics
I really like Barkley, and would love him at United, but the bottom midfield three is not balanced. To me, put Fellaini in place of Pereira/Barkley, and we have that balance. A holding midfielder, a box to box player and a creative player.
I agree with you but there's no way Chelsea are selling Matic to us. Naby Keita is the only alternative I can think of who might be available. Everton and Spurs will not sell key DM players to us unless they only have a year on their contracts.
I agree with you also that we need a Modric or Kroos in the team but it's next to impossible these days to find a player like that who can both do defensive duties while slicing open the tightest of defences.
Mkhitaryan might turn into the assist machine he was in the Bundesliga with another year. Perisic will have the left all to himself next season. So will be interesting to see what Jose does over next month or two
He can also play on either wing, which is what he was doing in the last two months or so for Everton. However, I can't see him coming to United to be a squad player.
No Hart please, please....
If he came here he'd be what? 3rd / 4th choice for a position we dont use that often.
Mata and Mikhitaryian are flat out better players, I'd give pereira a chance ahead of him too.
He'd cost a fortune in transfer fees and wages and is mediocre, he a Charlie Adam level player.
Mata and Mikhitaryian are flat out better players, I'd give pereira a chance ahead of him too.
He'd cost a fortune in transfer fees and wages and is mediocre, he a Charlie Adam level player.
Not convinced he'd improve us. Would be a surprise to me.
He's very high up my list.
Of average players we shouldn't sign.
Of average players we shouldn't sign.
Agree with this, apart from the Charlie Adam level bit. He's definitely better than that, but I just don't think we need him. As you say, Mkhi and Mata are much better. Pogba can also play as an AM, as can Lingard, and even Herrera. Plus Andreas Pereira is coming back.
For the amount he would cost, he wouldn't improve us. It would be English for English sake. It would be nice to have a core of English players, but the few who are top level are not attainable. If City an constantly field starting 11s with no English players, then I don't think we need to buy an English player because he's English.
3 years ago, he looked raw with bags of potential. Now, hes 3 years older and looks to have made no improvement. He occasionally looks threatening, but mostly looks dumb as a post who doesn't use the ball smartly or make good runs.
For £10-15m? Sure. Anything else, I'd rather stick with what we've got. With Fabinho and Pereira coming in, I'd rather not waste money on averageness like him.
Barkley is like a player with great stats on FIFA being controlled by an autistic kid. He should be the shizzle, but just isn't. If United go for a number 10- which I think would be silly unless Mata and Mkhi leave- it would have to be a top level player, and James is the obvious one.
Priority, assuming Fabinho is on his way, should be a left footed wide player.
Priority, assuming Fabinho is on his way, should be a left footed wide player.
Barkley is one of several under-achievers who could finally get on track under Mou.
A Ballotelli reunion could be another interesting project... or not.
A Ballotelli reunion could be another interesting project... or not.
Looked like a world beater when he burst on to the scene a few years back, but unfortunately has not progressed at all. Surely we should be looking a little more upmarket for quality English talent, like Dele Alli for instance. Offer Spurs silly money and then offer Alli a wage packet that Levy simply cannot compete with. Then do the same with Kane. Simples.
Don't know why football managers complain so much, it's easy when you know how
Don't know why football managers complain so much, it's easy when you know how
The club will need english players so this is probably more viable than people think!
Looked like a world beater when he burst on to the scene a few years back, but unfortunately has not progressed at all. Surely we should be looking a little more upmarket for quality English talent, like Dele Alli for instance. Offer Spurs silly money and then offer Alli a wage packet that Levy simply cannot compete with. Then do the same with Kane. Simples.
Don't know why football managers complain so much, it's easy when you know how
Alli would cost more than Mbappe with Levys Man Utd tax. Not going to happen.
noThis would be such an underwhelming signing.
Fabinho and Pereira will be enough.
Fabinho and Pereira will be enough.
Love the comparison very apt indeed, great way of putting it.
Fabinho and Perreira will be enough considering Fellaini will still be here. We most certainly wouldn't be buying Barkley to sit on the bench and he wouldn't displace any of our current options, so it would be rather pointless.
Joking aside, it's all well and good for Levy to price his players out of the market, but unless he is prepared to redefine Spurs' wage structure and pay his players their market worth - which the likes of United, Real, Bayern etc will be more than happy to pay and then some - he will end up with a revolt on his hands, resulting in multiple transfer requests across the club. Footballers have been doing this for decades all across the globe. Why Levy would believe his players are of a different breed is beyond my understanding.
He doesn't. But most of them have recently signed new, long-term contracts and were happy to do so ... Levy didn't force them into it. It's simply that Levy happens to believe that contracts are worth more than the paper they're written on ... unlike some posters on here.
We are supposed to be buying players to help us compete in the Champions League for feck sake.
He's not better than Herrera or Pogba,not even close and he's not a DM. There is no point.
He's not better than Herrera or Pogba,not even close and he's not a DM. There is no point.
I totally agree. I just found Levy's hatred of us to be bizarre.
Spot on. The question is how long will it take for the revolt to start. It might take another season.
The problem for us is that he can still quite easily palm his players off to City, PSG etc rather than us and he's enough of a cnut to do that.
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