I think the stats just show he has compared a central midfielder in Pogba with a bunch of number 10s, pointless
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I think the stats just show he has compared a central midfielder in Pogba with a bunch of number 10s, pointless
He's talented, but not productive enough to play high up the pitch and not positionally aware enough to play in midfield.
I think he's potentially a top player, but only when played alongside partners that can cover for his specific shorcomings. As long as Pogba is at United, that won't be at our club.
I think he's potentially a top player, but only when played alongside partners that can cover for his specific shorcomings. As long as Pogba is at United, that won't be at our club.
Passing and creatively, Alli is the worst that's why. Yes, he scores goals, and will come up with the occasional assist, but he he doesn't create like the others do. He's very much a goalscoring number 10, ala Lampard.
I honestly don't. Just look at Silva and De Bruyne, with Yaya behind them. They blow teams away, especially teams outside of the top 5/6.
I'm not saying play it in every game, but we struggle to break teams down, at times. Having two creative midfielders like Barkley and Pogba, who both have the ability to do special things would obviously make it easier to break teams down.
Silva and KDB have two very different skill sets though...Silva can control the game with his intelligent movement and passing. While KDB is more direct, a goal threat and plays with speed
Pogba and Barkley isn't like that
Barkley isn't at the level of those 3 players either imo
Seeing Pereira's performance against Espanyol reminds me that he's another reason we probably shouldn't sign Barkley. We already have a young, fairly two-footed #8 who's better going forward than defending and can really beat a man in Pereira. He's got better range of passing and shooting too and is 2 years younger. Barkley is the better player right now, but it's not like he's consistent either.
I think the stats just show he has compared a central midfielder in Pogba with a bunch of number 10s, pointless
Those stats do mostly pass the eye test, for me.
De Bruyne and Ozil are incredible creators but De Bruyne has better teammates (Ozil just has Sanchez, really), Pogba is the best 2-way CM on the list but De Bruyne and Ozil create enough chances for teammates that it's close, Dele Alli is the best finisher and a pretty good tackler but still quite raw in every other way (this is why Pochettino has played him basically as a support striker) and Barkley is pretty good but not at the level of the top players in the Prem.
When we talk about 'United Quality' how does Barkley get a sniff, he's the last type of player we need right now, he would at best be squad cover for Herrera.
But he hasn't created that much, if you think this is the standard of player we need then get used to finishing outside the top 4
His favourite players are Fellaini, Rooney, and Lingard. I don't think he wants to see us do well.
Atleast he's an improvement on those (?)
Seriously clutching at straws to see a silver lining
Quite young, talented and English fits what all the top premiership sides would like. Sadly there are only two or three genuinely quality English players at the moment in my opinion and we already have one of them. Its a sad state of affairs really to see the likes of Dier, Walker, Rose, Keane lauded when none of them are actually really very good and then there have been good young English players like Barkley, Jones, Wilshire, Richards that have had genuine potential and just never progressed, virtually all of them were better players as teenagers than they are now
i don't think Barkley and Richards had genuine potential, Richards was just a physical brute with no footballing brain and Barkley got Rooney comparisons earlier because he was from Everton.
Neither for me have done anything of note to be considered potential worldies, both will have successful careers at a high level but not the highest
If Barkley has any sense he'll stay at Everton, he won't go to a higher level than them
I totally agree
They are?
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You are certainly right with Rooney. He is my favourite, and will always be my favourite, along with Andy Cole.
The guy is our all time top goalscorer, whether you like it or not. I have every right to call him my favourite player.
Let's be honest, though, even if the three players you mentioned weren't here, you'd still have a reason to moan.
I've been on this forum for a while now, and you've got to be the most negative person I've come across.
I mean, I'm looking through your posts and I honestly find it hard to find anything positive. It really can't be good for your health.
It's a massive factor as to why this place has become a bit of a shit hole of late.
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You're going on like he's a million miles away, in terms of chances created, assists and key passes.
What you have to look at is, Barkley is at Everton - a team that has created a lot less chances than the likes of United, City, Spurs and Arsenal. They all have superior players to Everton. Apart from Lukaku, he's not got much to pick out.
I personally feel if Barkley was to come here, he'd create much more.
Is he better than what we have? Not really.
We want to win the league next year not the 4th place trophy
Same number of goals as Batshuayi this season despite playing thousands more minutes
ca see where he would play for United when we have Pogba. both play better in a midfield 3 with both being better higher up the picth with less defensive work
You think Barkley is a striker? Ok dude.
I would not touch him with two bargepoles tied together. Not good enough now, doesn't appear to be learning very fast and almost guaranteed to have an early peak like Rooney.
Last thing we need is another mediocre English player.
He is obviously talented but has not done anything of note to warrant a move to a big club.
I can see him being a marque signing for Arsenal, would look good, but wouldn't elevate them.
Regressed like a lot of players who show early potential. Not for us.
For those that don't know he has been playing as a right sided midfielder since the turn of the year and his form has been great.
I really worry if he does leave. After Lukaku he is the main why we are better than the rest of the teams in the league. He is simply a wonderful footballer in full flow but he struggles against the better teams currently.
I really worry if he does leave. After Lukaku he is the main why we are better than the rest of the teams in the league. He is simply a wonderful footballer in full flow but he struggles against the better teams currently.
In what ways does he struggle? Are those weaknesses irredeemable, in your opinion?
Not good enough for us. He's at the right club presently.
I have concerns about his mentality. You can sort of tell in the first 5 minutes if he going to have a good game or bad game. He lets his head drop to easilly and is definitely a confidence player. Maybe the pressure of being the local saviour at Everton is to much for him ?
His work rate and tenacity is also an issue. He lets people run off him to easy and he dodges to many tackles for my liking. I think his triple leg break when he was younger took this side of the game away from him and i can't see him ever getting it back sadly.
He's also to hesitant in front of goal and isn't a great finisher of 'easier' situations.
In terms of playmaking though i can't fault him of late and most Everton attacks these days he's playing a big role in them.
Wouldn't be worth anywhere near the cost.
In short, I find him to be a very poor player compared to his reputation.
In short, I find him to be a very poor player compared to his reputation.
Is he better in midfield or behind the striker? If here is truth in our interest I can only think he will be deployed deeper?
So the Tines linked us to him, not a major thing, but we are monitoring the situation.
He has one year left on his contract and doesnt seem to be to keen to sign an extension, interesting
He has one year left on his contract and doesnt seem to be to keen to sign an extension, interesting
Very interesting indeed. We should be all over this if he goes. He would be an excellent squad option, and is only 23 years old. The market of English quality players is very limited, so if he is available at a reasonable price it's a no brainer.
We need quality not another overrated PL player
I personally think he's class.
Burn this thread with fire.
A tactical headache with a player that's not very good.
Rather see Pereira, who I think is more naturally gifted develop.
A tactical headache with a player that's not very good.
Rather see Pereira, who I think is more naturally gifted develop.
True. But I think Barkley is a pretty good player. He is only 23, and also have a lot of potential to rise his game further. We also have to keep in mind that we are a English club. We need a core of English players, and Barkley is one of the few English midfielders I would have here.
If he will go he will probably replaced by Ajax captain Klaassen.
He had potential 3yrs ago but since then has failed to take his game to the next level despite being almost a guaranteed starter at Everton, and I just dont see him ever making that step anymore. Wont be surprised if Mourinho sees a potential Lampard in him, but I dont think he has the quality to be that effective nor do I think we have the personnel to accommodate such a unique player.
As to being an English club, I dont remember anyone getting extra points for having more English players and dont think that should be an excuse to compromise the quality of the squad. Besides Spurs, who are yet to win anything, I dont remember any of the other top team brimming with English players. We should sign quality players independent of Nationality.
We need a top quality attacking midfielder that can create and score goals, and I just dont think Barkley is it. We need players like James, Ozil etc even the likes of Anderson.
Too inconsistent. Has all the tools and abilities to play at the top level. But has he got the mentality?!
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