Ross Barkley | Stays at Everton

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kundalini said:
He's not remotely like either Herrera or Lingard. Herrera is either our deepest midfielder or 2nd deepest; either way, he has a lot of defensive responsibility. Lingard provides movement.

Everton started the season with Barry + Gueye providing midfield protection. More recently Schneiderlin, Gueye and Tom Davies. Barkley plays behind Lukaku but ahead of the midfield, usually centrally but sometimes on the right. Closest approximation in the United team this season would be Rooney, Mata or Mkhitaryan.

Barkley's goals and assists over the last 2 PL seasons 30 in 5928 mins

Mata's goals and assists over the last 2 PL seasons 22 in 4455 mins
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The reality is the best performance of his career to date has been deep in the Herrera role; since then he's gone a bit feral, but he needs a coach to sit him down, tell him he's not a #10 and that the only way he'll ever be top class is if he becomes an orthodox central midfielder.

With some tough love from a proper coach and a willingness to learn, he could become a monsterous midfielder; lock him in a room for a few hours a day watching vintage Yaya Toure, because with his skill set he could become a similar player, as this performance suggests....

 
It's feeling more and more likely that he'll be headed to Spurs this summer from what I'm hearing.

I've got mixed feelings about it, but Poch has shown the ability to squeeze all the talent out of players like Barkley so that leaves me feeling optimistic.
 
He's just meh. Not a bad player by any means but United certainly has to aspire higher.
 
Sweech said:
It's feeling more and more likely that he'll be headed to Spurs this summer from what I'm hearing.

I've got mixed feelings about it, but Poch has shown the ability to squeeze all the talent out of players like Barkley so that leaves me feeling optimistic.
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Considering you play 2/3 from Eriksen, Dele and Son behind Kane, where and how often would Barkley play?
 
AP88 said:
The reality is the best performance of his career to date has been deep in the Herrera role; since then he's gone a bit feral, but he needs a coach to sit him down, tell him he's not a #10 and that the only way he'll ever be top class is if he becomes an orthodox central midfielder.

With some tough love from a proper coach and a willingness to learn, he could become a monsterous midfielder; lock him in a room for a few hours a day watching vintage Yaya Toure, because with his skill set he could become a similar player, as this performance suggests....

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He reminds me of Rooney so much with his build and body movements.
 
MadMike said:
Considering you play 2/3 from Eriksen, Dele and Son behind Kane, where and how often would Barkley play?
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He would either take Son's place or I could see Poch trying to push him deeper and fight for Dembele's place.
 
Bwuk said:
I'd take Barkley. He's a good player, and would happily see Rooney go and Barkley come in to replace him.

I'm of the opinion we need more british players in the squad.
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Is there seriously no better ones knocking about these days?
 
cheeky_backheel said:
The Dembelo role is more likely. They often missed dembele sorely when he was absent.
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I could see him doing all those roles. We needed more rotation than we could provide this season and I don't look at it as Barkley taking Alli, Eriksen, or Sons job exclusively, but providing the ability to rotate any of them and play Barkley instead.

Plus as you say also for Dembele. I just hope we don't stick him over Winks who played very well everytime he was given the opportunity and was simply unfortunate to get injured right when we really could have used him the most.
 
Barkley is inconsistent and quite frankly bang average at times. We would all be moaning about him in a year's time if he joined.

Let him go to a smaller club like Spurs.
 
Peanut Butter said:
Barkley is inconsistent and quite frankly bang average at times. We would all be moaning about him in a year's time if he joined.

Let him go to a smaller club like Spurs.
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I actually think he could do great for my smaller club if we sign him once Poch gets to work with him on the training ground. The lad has a lot of ability, he just needs to develop some aspects of his game and get more consistent.
 
balaks said:
I actually think he could do great for my smaller club if we sign him once Poch gets to work with him on the training ground. The lad has a lot of ability, he just needs to develop some aspects of his game and get more consistent.
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Good, you can have him.
 
Peanut Butter said:
Crystal Ball nonsense.
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Notice I did say IF - quite a big if of course but not impossible - one of Poch's big strengths is developing and improving players. Barkley has a lot of natural ability and I believe Poch could take him to the next level. All of this is assuming we even go in for him which is debateable.
 
balaks said:
Notice I did say IF - quite a big if of course but not impossible - one of Poch's big strengths is developing and improving players. Barkley has a lot of natural ability and I believe Poch could take him to the next level. All of this is assuming we even go in for him which is debateable.
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Couldn't give two shites about Spurs or Poch to be honest.
 
balaks said:
Fair enough though it was you that mentioned Barkley moving to Spurs in the first place that started it!
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And? It was a reply to Utd fans fancying him moving to Utd.

No offence but I didn't join RedCafe to discuss potential transfer of players to Spurs. I picked a name out of a hat - he could go to Dundee Utd for all I care, as long as it isn't Utd.

Surely you can discuss Spurs transfers in the Spurs thread?
 
K2K said:
Yes please.

I'd definitely take a punt on him.
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Gray, I would support. Seems like a proper winger to me than, let's say Rashford and Lingard. Sure, Rashford was a winger in his younger days, and Lingard his playstyle to me is more of an attacking mid that likes to roam across the field than a traditional winger that likes to attack the fullbacks.

In regards to Barkley, if Carrick and Fellaini is gone in the summer, a cheap-ish Barkley would be a decent acquisition considering he is in last year of contract and English (experienced in the EPL, home grown quota, etc.) Depending on the setup, he would be a good option for squad rotations, and different tactics considering he is explosive, direct type of an attacker.
 
AP88 said:
The reality is the best performance of his career to date has been deep in the Herrera role; since then he's gone a bit feral, but he needs a coach to sit him down, tell him he's not a #10 and that the only way he'll ever be top class is if he becomes an orthodox central midfielder.

With some tough love from a proper coach and a willingness to learn, he could become a monsterous midfielder; lock him in a room for a few hours a day watching vintage Yaya Toure, because with his skill set he could become a similar player, as this performance suggests....
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I agree with this, I really do.

I think under José or Pochettino he'd really excel.

I can so imagine him signing for Spuds and then next season people saying, "why didn't we sign him?".

Meanwhile we sign the more expensive James who starts sulking, doesn't like the cold, or the rough nature of the PL and becomes ADM II...

Cynical? Yes, but we've seen this sooo much over recent years. Overlooking the PL proven option for some expensive unknown PL quantity who then doesn't quite live up to their billing despite costing 3 times as much in fee and/or wages.
 
B20 said:
How many seasons do spurs need to finish above you before that tune changes?
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Well, it's been the same tune for the last 4 years, so I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for a change ....

Eriksen: "... let him go to a smaller club like Spurs"
Alderweireld: "... let him go to a smaller club like Spurs"
Dier: "... let him go to a smaller club like Spurs"
Alli: "... let him go to a smaller club like Spurs"
Son: "... let him go to a smaller club like Spurs"
Wanyama: "... let him go to a smaller club like Spurs" ....

... and so on.

Some United fans are mainly concerned with the where and when of the next world-record fee and who the next 'galactico' will be. The likes of anything less is apparently 'not good enough' for United.
 
B20 said:
How many seasons do spurs need to finish above you before that tune changes?
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So Spurs aren't a smaller club than United? Are they are smaller club than Liverpool?

What about AC Milan - they finished midtable again, are they a smaller club now?

Edit: Back to Ross Barkley. We need to aim for better or we will be scraping 5th/6th again next season. It's got nothing to do with Galactico signings @GlastonSpur - he just isn't that good.
 
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Peanut Butter said:
So Spurs aren't a smaller club than United? Are they are smaller club than Liverpool?

What about AC Milan - they finished midtable again, are they a smaller club now?

Edit: Back to Ross Barkley. We need to aim for better or we will be scraping 5th/6th again next season. It's got nothing to do with Galactico signings @GlastonSpur - he just isn't that good.
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In the grand scheme of things they are obviously not as big as any of those clubs.

In the present though, they have clearly overtaken you on a sporting level ever since ferguson retired. Dismissing players as "suited a smaller club than united" when clubs who are doing better than you sign these and they turn out better than the ones you actually end up buying seems a bit out of tune with the footballing realities of the present.
 
B20 said:
In the grand scheme of things they are obviously not as big as any of those clubs.

In the present though, they have clearly overtaken you on a sporting level ever since ferguson retired. Dismissing players as "suited a smaller club than united" when clubs who are doing better than you sign these and they turn out better than the ones you actually end up buying seems a bit out of tune with the footballing realities of the present.
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When Spurs are winning trophies, we will have this argument. Chelsea have overtaken us in recent years, for example.

But Spurs? Nah.

You oppo fans need to stop polluting threads every time a Utd fan calls Spurs are a smaller club. They ARE a smaller club for feck sake!

I don't want Barkley at Utd. He isn't good enough just like loads of our current squad aren't good enough.
 
Spurs fans are a joke. Haven't won feck all. Players don't suddenly think "wow I can't wait to join Spurs they finished ahead of United and Arsenal" until you start winning you are smaller then Arsenal Liverpool City etc
 
Zii said:
Spurs fans are a joke. Haven't won feck all. Players don't suddenly think "wow I can't wait to join Spurs they finished ahead of United and Arsenal" until you start winning you are smaller then Arsenal Liverpool City etc
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It was a liverpool fan questioning it, not a Spurs fan.

Edit anyway, back to the general point. yeah, you could see him doing well under Poch, sadly. He's been one of Evertons better performers this season.
Most fans on Grand Old Team tend to think he's been their 2nd best performer only behind Lukaku and it's finally "clicked" for him.
 
BennyBlanco said:
It was a liverpool fan questioning it, not a Spurs fan.

Edit anyway, back to the general point. yeah, you could see him doing well under Poch, sadly. He's been one of Evertons better performers this season.
Most fans on Grand Old Team tend to think he's been their 2nd best performer only behind Lukaku and it's finally "clicked" for him.
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I think hes benefited a lot from Koeman and been better this season, im not sure Poch would do that much better with him.
He'd probably do a job for Spurs but i dont think he'd be any better than good cover at best. Which is no bad thing, waste for him personally imo but spurs could use him

We just have no need for him, he wouldn't improve us and he'd be pushing another player of a similar level out the door in an area of the team were not that weak really.
 
The suggestion that Spurs are a bigger club than United or a more desirable destination for players is beyond laughable. I don't really care about Spurs and I'm a big admirer of Pochettino but the fact is we have only been in the wilderness 4 years and in our dark age we have won 2 (maybe soon 3) trophies to their 0 in their golden age so far. I suppose if our next 4 years are similar then the desirable destination claim becomes more arguable (though still laughable).
 
About as overrated as Stones was last year. No thanks.
 
BigTimeCharlie said:
May get slaughtered for this but

Lingard > Barkley

and Lingard will amount to more in his career than Barkley (already has an important FA Cup Final Winner under his belt).

For the record, Lingard is a fantastic squad player not a regular starter for a top Man Utd team but the kind of player you need over the course of 60 games a season.
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I don't particularly rate Barkley but he is much better than Lingard. The FA Cup final winner will be the best thing Lingard will ever do.
 
BigTimeCharlie said:
In which Barkley has done what?
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He hasn't had as such a 'high moment' but he has influenced alot more games than Lingard has.

One of the key differences for me is that Barkley's first instinct is generally to try and move the ball forward whereas Lingard's is always the sideways or back pass (the easy option more often that not). Lingard has better movement I will give him that but Barkley is probably better at nearly every other attribute.

If you ask any other opposition fan who they would rather have, you would find very few that would say Lingard.
 
I'm not interested in having someone with mediocre abilities join United. He's English and will cost a lot of money. The only English talent I would throw money at for the moment is Dele Ali. That's about it.
 
JoaquinJoaquin said:
He hasn't had as such a 'high moment' but he has influenced alot more games than Lingard has.

One of the key differences for me is that Barkley's first instinct is generally to try and move the ball forward whereas Lingard's is always the sideways or back pass (the easy option more often that not). Lingard has better movement I will give him that but Barkley is probably better at nearly every other attribute.

If you ask any other opposition fan who they would rather have, you would find very few that would say Lingard.
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Neither are first team materrial but Lingard can be better trusted in being a squad player.
 
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