Rooney - Wants to stay next season

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Wayne's World said:
if he stays next season then his legacy will be tainted (even though some say it's probably already gone that way). He's finished and we need to move on and he needs to move on instead of just picking up a huge wage from us.

But I doubt he cares about the club enough to do something like that....:rolleyes:
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Its very likely him deciding to stay is largely financial. But the likes of Scholes and Neville did similar and yet it didn't seem to taint their legacy, in fact barely anyone even gave it a second thought or a mention at the time or since.

And i'm pretty sure both Neville and Scholes cared about the club, but still took a weekly wage while effectively being semi retired.
 
stevoc said:
Its very likely him deciding to stay is largely financial. But the likes of Scholes and Neville did similar and yet it didn't seem to taint their legacy, in fact barely anyone even gave it a second thought or a mention at the time or since.

And i'm pretty sure both Neville and Scholes cared about the club, but still took a weekly wage while effectively being semi retired.
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Rooney is supposed to be hated for not being the player he once was. And he out to be hated for trying to take his contract money instead of going to a club which won't be paying 1/3rd of that money.
Only Ronaldo is allowed to do all such stuff, threaten his club for more and more money, because he is a great player and has Utd in his heart (which is why he gave his best years to Real) and he is one of us, while Rooney is a villian, trying to ruin the club and has done nothing for the club.
And these people call Di Maria a snake.
And the worst part is Rooney did it all for money and we owe him nothing, as if other footballers work for free everywhere or actively reject a contract if the club is paying them more than what they are worth.

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stevoc said:
Its very likely him deciding to stay is largely financial. But the likes of Scholes and Neville did similar and yet it didn't seem to taint their legacy, in fact barely anyone even gave it a second thought or a mention at the time or since.

And i'm pretty sure both Neville and Scholes cared about the club, but still took a weekly wage while effectively being semi retired.
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Didnt Neville retire from football once he lost his place and decided he couldnt compete at United's required level anymore? If anything its the exact opposite of what Rooney is doing.

Scholes also retired but was then talked into coming back. Its a fair comparison if Rooney is used sparingly but provides a worthwhile option and chips in with a decent number of games. Only time will tell whether that turns out to be the case but clearly the feeling among most is he is going to play less than he did in the second half of last season. That isnt offering the club anything, only Rooney, which is quite unlike Scholes.
 
RedDevil@84 said:
Rooney is supposed to be hated for not being the player he once was. And he out to be hated for trying to take his contract money instead of going to a club which won't be paying 1/3rd of that money.
Only Ronaldo is allowed to do all such stuff, threaten his club for more and more money, because he is a great player and has Utd in his heart (which is why he gave his best years to Real) and he is one of us, while Rooney is a villian, trying to ruin the club and has done nothing for the club.
And these people call Di Maria a snake.
And the worst part is Rooney did it all for money and we owe him nothing, as if other footballers work for free everywhere or actively reject a contract if the club is paying them more than what they are worth.

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Ronaldo give his all at the pitch. Rooney stopped doing so for the past few years.
 
He's like the Chernobyl of lingering fart stench, a delusional greed merchant. It's sickening to think he's going to eat up space on our bench again next season that will no doubt rob players like Pereira of an opportunity, I hope Jose deep fgreezes him like he did Schweinsteiger.
 
I have no problems with him staying if he's ready to take up maximum bench time. He might be a useful sub here and there.
 
Sky1981 said:
Ronaldo give his all at the pitch. Rooney stopped doing so for the past few years.
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Rooney is not as good a footballer as Ronaldo. But I dont think Rooney stopped giving it all on the pitch. His form, game went downhill drastically. It was not because he never tried. His workrate was still good in some games a few years back.
Again, I am not saying Rooney is all fantastic and deserves a chance. To think that he should have given up his contract and left Utd, when the club didn't want to sell him is really insane. And abusing him because he was not the player he once was is really over the top.
 
ike said:
With fitness he'll get his touch back and hopefully his drive and aggression. Too often he looks like he's been playing a round of golf and not football. Really hope the penny drops with Wayne and he digs deep and works hard to get fit again.
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Club captain and around 300k a week. The club should be ashamed this has allowed to happen
 
Adebesi said:
Didnt Neville retire from football once he lost his place and decided he couldnt compete at United's required level anymore? If anything its the exact opposite of what Rooney is doing.
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Not exactly mate no, in his book he said he thought he was done in 2010 and should have retired. But he signed a new 1 year deal when offered anyway, played two games before Xmas was awful tried to retire in the new year. At first he agreed to pretend he was injured and just keep coming into training, but then he told Ferguson he had to retire but it wasn't made official for another 5-6 weeks.

So i wouldn't describe that as the exact opposite.

Adebesi said:
Scholes also retired but was then talked into coming back. Its a fair comparison if Rooney is used sparingly but provides a worthwhile option and chips in with a decent number of games. Only time will tell whether that turns out to be the case but clearly the feeling among most is he is going to play less than he did in the second half of last season. That isnt offering the club anything, only Rooney, which is quite unlike Scholes.
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Scholes did come out of retirement and was good for a few months. But he thought he was finished in 2011, and yet signed a new deal in 2012. A few games into the season he was well behind the pace. He was then ''injured'' from January onwards in his last year but once the title was won quickly regained fitness to make a few cameos off the bench. Now i don't claim to know for certain but it's possible and likely that Ferguson told him the same thing as he tried to do with Neville just see out your contract and then retire at the end of the season.

Not trying to criticize either Nev or Scholes here but there seems to be a real double standard here with regards to everything Rooney does. He isn't the first player and won't be the last to see out a contract at United and pick up a wage when they know or at least suspect they are done at the top level.
 
Play like a king, cocky like a king, paid king's ransom, adored like a king : cantona, keane, ronaldo

Play like a pleb, cocky like a king, paid king's ransom, adored like a king : rooney.

The different is all in the pitch, rooney talk the talk but doesn't walk the walk.

Especially now that he's all talk he lost his only bargaining chip. If you're prepared to piss on the fans along your way to the big fat contract make sure you have what it takes.
 
RedDevil@84 said:
Rooney is not as good a footballer as Ronaldo. But I dont think Rooney stopped giving it all on the pitch. His form, game went downhill drastically. It was not because he never tried. His workrate was still good in some games a few years back.
Again, I am not saying Rooney is all fantastic and deserves a chance. To think that he should have given up his contract and left Utd, when the club didn't want to sell him is really insane. And abusing him because he was not the player he once was is really over the top.
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His all doesn't mean running around at the pitch, his all means more than that, simply taking care of his bodies? That's a simple thing he should have prepared to give.

And he's not abused because he stop delivering on the pitch. Players like john oshea, darren fletcher, even ole never stopped being praised and adored in here long after they decline. Because they never took the club ransom.
 
Sky1981 said:
Play like a king, cocky like a king, paid king's ransom, adored like a king : cantona, keane, ronaldo

Play like a pleb, cocky like a king, paid king's ransom, adored like a king : rooney.

The different is all in the pitch, rooney talk the talk but doesn't walk the walk.

Especially now that he's all talk he lost his only bargaining chip. If you're prepared to piss on the fans along your way to the big fat contract make sure you have what it takes.
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Wow!! Now plebs are becoming top scorers at the club. Must be so easy becoming one then.
 
Sky1981 said:
His all doesn't mean running around at the pitch, his all means more than that, simply taking care of his bodies? That's a simple thing he should have prepared to give.

And he's not abused because he stop delivering on the pitch. Players like john oshea, darren fletcher, even ole never stopped being praised and adored in here long after they decline. Because they never took the club ransom.
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No one offered O'Shea, Fletcher with multi million contracts. You think they would have said, "No thanks, I am not worth it" when club offered them 200K+ contract. I love all those players and also praise them regularly, but don't think Rooney did something which regular footballers don't do.
 
Sky1981 said:
His all doesn't mean running around at the pitch, his all means more than that, simply taking care of his bodies? That's a simple thing he should have prepared to give.

And he's not abused because he stop delivering on the pitch. Players like john oshea, darren fletcher, even ole never stopped being praised and adored in here long after they decline. Because they never took the club ransom.
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How exactly did he hold the club to ransom then mate?
 
stevoc said:
Not exactly mate no, in his book he said he thought he was done in 2010 and should have retired. But he signed a new 1 year deal when offered anyway, played two games before Xmas was awful tried to retire in the new year. At first he agreed to pretend he was injured and just keep coming into training, but then he told Ferguson he had to retire but it wasn't made official for another 5-6 weeks.

So i wouldn't describe that as the exact opposite.



Scholes did come out of retirement and was good for a few months. But he thought he was finished in 2011, and yet signed a new deal in 2012. A few games into the season he was well behind the pace. He was then ''injured'' from January onwards in his last year but once the title was won quickly regained fitness to make a few cameos off the bench. Now i don't claim to know for certain but it's possible and likely that Ferguson told him the same thing as he tried to do with Neville just see out your contract and then retire at the end of the season.

Not trying to criticize either Nev or Scholes here but there seems to be a real double standard here with regards to everything Rooney does. He isn't the first player and won't be the last to see out a contract at United and pick up a wage when they know or at least suspect they are done at the top level.
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Still both accepted their position and retired. Scholes as you said signed a new contract, that is quite different, it demonstrates SAF actively wanted him around. Rooney, while being absolutely entitled to see out his contract, is (presumably) not actually wanted. I don't think these situations are the same as Rooney's at all.
 
Adebesi said:
Still both accepted their position and retired. Scholes as you said signed a new contract, that is quite different, it demonstrates SAF actively wanted him around. Rooney, while being absolutely entitled to see out his contract, is (presumably) not actually wanted. I don't think these situations are the same as Rooney's at all.
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Then the club should be brave enough to tell Rooney to feck off. The manager should not be talking about allowing him to stay here as long as he wants to.
 
Adebesi said:
Still both accepted their position and retired. Scholes as you said signed a new contract, that is quite different, it demonstrates SAF actively wanted him around. Rooney, while being absolutely entitled to see out his contract, is (presumably) not actually wanted. I don't think these situations are the same as Rooney's at all.
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Well fair enough mate, but personally from how i understand the situation both players thought they were done at the top level and yet both willingly took new deals from the club.

Which is arguably worse than Rooney just seeing out a contract signed years before.
 
stevoc said:
Well fair enough mate, but personally from how i understand the situation both players thought they were done at the top level and yet both willingly took new deals from the club.

Which is arguably worse than Rooney just seeing out a contract signed years before.
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But that's what I disagree with. SAF knew what they had to offer and offered them a new deal regardless. But I agree that Rooney isn't doing anything immoral or wrong, he's entitled to do what he appears to be set to do. And maybe as I said he can offer something like Scholes did.

@RedDevil@84 the issue is the club can't legally tell him go feck off because they gave him this contract. Not that it makes any difference legally, but it was Woodward himself who gave it to him. He has to take ultimate responsibility for this situation.
 
What's with all the fecking Ronaldo comparisons, if Ronaldo had decided to stay after a pay rise and spent the last few years putting the kind of performances Rooney has been getting away with all these years for 300k a week he would have been dropped or sold long ago. He certainly won't have had the press covering his arse, the previlges of being England's captain and all that rubbish that made the whole English press have their tongue firmly up his arse, advocating for him to be played in midfield or defence when he's shit in his current position, giving him 8/10 performances for strolling round,silent domination etc. He certainly wouldn't have lasted this long. If Rooney left and achieved all Ronaldo has acheived of course we'll want him back. What's with all the 'loyal Rooney' nonesense, its fecking dumb
 
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Let's be honest here, Rooney gets £260K a week (Rumoured, could be more) at almost 32 years of age. This season, he's scored 8 in 39 apps.

Rooney has been a legend for the club, this season hasn't been his best by far, and its been obvious that he's not as needed as he has been in a while. As much as it's a shame to see him benched, 39 apps and he's only scored 8?. Obviously, a lot of these apps have come from the bench, but if he's brought on as an impact sub, and he can't impact a game, then he's pretty pointless to keep around. He's won us games, saved us many, many times, won us leagues...but from now, him sticking around would be a very expensive sentiment.

He's on more than Aguero for feck's sake
 
stevoc said:
Well fair enough mate, but personally from how i understand the situation both players thought they were done at the top level and yet both willingly took new deals from the club.

Which is arguably worse than Rooney just seeing out a contract signed years before.
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both were wanted by SAF to hang around, big difference. Nobody at the club is campaigning for Rooney to stay, simply stuck with him
 
fellaini's barber said:
What's with all the fecking Ronaldo comparisons, if Ronaldo had decided to stay after a pay rise and spent the last few years putting the kind of performances Rooney has been getting away with all these years for 300k a week he would have been dropped or sold long ago. He certainly won't have had the press covering his arse, the previlges of being England's captain and all that rubbish that made the whole English press have their tongue firmly up his arse, advocating for him to be played in midfield or defence when he's shit in his current position, giving him 8/10 performances for strolling round,silent domination etc. He certainly wouldn't have lasted this long. If Rooney left and achieved all Ronaldo has acheived of course we'll want him back. What's with all the 'loyal Rooney' nonesense, its fecking dumb
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Fair enough. Then abuse the media for their horrible bias towards English players (especially the hyped ones). Abuse the FA for not having a manager who dares to play the players in form, rather than on their star value. Why abuse Rooney and call him greedy, disgrace and what not for it, unless someone is saying Rooney is giving some part of the 300K every week to media and FA.
 
Adebesi said:
But that's what I disagree with. SAF knew what they had to offer and offered them a new deal regardless. But I agree that Rooney isn't doing anything immoral or wrong, he's entitled to do what he appears to be set to do. And maybe as I said he can offer something like Scholes did.

@RedDevil@84 the issue is the club can't legally tell him go feck off because they gave him this contract. Not that it makes any difference legally, but it was Woodward himself who gave it to him. He has to take ultimate responsibility for this situation.
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Agree that Woodward fecked up. But we were in a delicate position at that time. David Gill was gone, SAF was gone. Moyes had fired all of SAF's staff. The club did not want to then lose Rooney on top of it. So they offered him huge amounts because we thought he ll be good for at least most part of a 5 year deal.
Not to forget that English players commanded premium rates. Rooney was one of the biggest names in English football, regardless of whether it was justified or not.

But it is ridiculous to call him a disgrace, a mercenary and forget that his club record actually won us so many matches.
 
mitchmouse said:
and ronaldo was underpaid by Madrid I suppose...
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If you want to be sarcastic that's fine but at least have a cogent basis for the sarcasm. Ronaldo is pissed because he feels disrespected and not supported by the club in the face of charges. Even with that said I'm not saying Ronaldo is right. Rooney was straight up extorting money.
 
Esquire said:
If you want to be sarcastic that's fine but at least have a cogent basis for the sarcasm. Ronaldo is pissed because he feels disrespected and not supported by the club in the face of charges. Even with that said I'm not saying Ronaldo is right. Rooney was straight up extorting money.
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Ronaldo would feck off immediately if he was offered less than what Messi was being offered or below his self evaluation standards. Do you forget Ronaldo feel sad at Real and tell media the same just out of the blue. If it was not extortion, I wonder what was.
Ronaldo is not really an example I would take if we were talking about not wanting money.
 
RedDevil@84 said:
Fair enough. Then abuse the media for their horrible bias towards English players (especially the hyped ones). Abuse the FA for not having a manager who dares to play the players in form, rather than on their star value. Why abuse Rooney and call him greedy, disgrace and what not for it, unless someone is saying Rooney is giving some part of the 300K every week to media and FA.
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I'm not one of the posters abusing anyone, my post is directed mainly to people bringing up Ronaldo talking about how its weird that fans still love him and want him back. Making it sound like Rooney showed more 'loyalty' because he didn't leave as if making him him one of the highest paid players in the world didn't play a part. My point is if Ronaldo did the same thing Rooney did and stayed then went to shit shortly afterwards, he'll have it much worse than Rooney is right now, as he isn't even English. Ronaldo would have been thrown under the bus long ago, as he wont have had excuses being trotted out for him week in week out by the media. At a point it looked like our coaches had to come up with excuses to bench Rooney despite him being shit so as not to create a fuss
 
Aki_United said:
Plastic fans everywhere, we have become like Real...


It surprises me everytime how a lot of our fans are sucked up to CR7 and are bashing Wazza.

What has CR7 done for us? Our team was fecking excellent in the past, it was not Ronnie alone, who won us the stuff. Wazza had done much more for us in his 12 years here, give him some respect.

I know Wazza is bad now, so he should leave or come from the bench, but do not forget what he has done for this club. I can understand why he doesn´t want to leave. He has his family in Manchester and get a lot of money, most of us would do the same. Do you think his family wants to live in China? He can stay, if he is ok with coming from the bench. I know he is expensive for what he contributes, but money is not an issue for this club. We should not scare him away like Real did with Raul. He is still a great role model for our younger players. Wazza is a Utd. legend, if you want or not, that´s a fact.
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Was the best player in the country for 3 years straight, dragged us to countless victories. His departure coincided with out decline, whilst he improved as a player. The team was so fecking excellent that our league title successes went from 3 in 3 (with Ronaldo) to 2 in 8 since he has left.

He offers little from the bench. Money is always an issue. if he is on 250k per week, thats a big chunk of our wage bill and the opportunity cost. How many players on 250k per week can any side have in their squad. He must take a pay cut or leave. We don't want to become Barcelona. Possibly Zlatans departure could ease things a bit but I imagine we want to secure some other high profile targets this summer
 
Stacks said:
He must take a pay cut or leave
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Next we would want our injured players to apply for "Leave without Pay" for the period they are not in the team, because "Hey!! We are paying them for the treatment and allowing them to train and recover. They must be feckin greedy if they want salaries as well"
 
Why not loan him out to Everton. They wouldn't be able to afford his wages so we could do a 50/50 split. Still a win/win for all parties involved. Everton get Rooney, Wayne gets to play more, and we lessen our wage bill.
 
Raoul said:
Why not loan him out to Everton. They wouldn't be able to afford his wages so we could do a 50/50 split. Still a win/win for all parties involved. Everton get Rooney, Wayne gets to play more, and we lessen our wage bill.
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How would Everton win by paying £150k a week for him to sit on their bench? They might be nostalgic but they aren't stupid.
 
Adebesi said:
But that's what I disagree with. SAF knew what they had to offer and offered them a new deal regardless. But I agree that Rooney isn't doing anything immoral or wrong, he's entitled to do what he appears to be set to do. And maybe as I said he can offer something like Scholes did.
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Fair enough mate you see it differently, i mean i can see what you're saying if Ferguson wanted them to stay on which he definitely did then yeah i wouldn't criticize either of them for taking the extra year.

But i suppose it might be similar with Rooney, Mourinho is saying publicly just last month he would be ''very happy'' if Rooney stayed next season. If he's telling him similar in private which he probably is then Rooney will feel he's wanted and not move on even though he probably should.
 
Raoul said:
I doubt he'd sit on their bench if he went there.
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I genuinely think he would - if not immediately, it wouldn't take long. I just don't see who would want to pay even half of his wage at this point - any club which he would improve aren't going to be paying them kind of salaries, so we'd have to pay most of it or he'll have to take a cut, which is unlikely.
 
clarkydaz said:
both were wanted by SAF to hang around, big difference. Nobody at the club is campaigning for Rooney to stay, simply stuck with him
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Well thats not true though is it mate?

Mourinho is publicly saying on a regular basis that he would be more than happy for Rooney to stay.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...se-mourinho-wayne-rooney-future-a7754341.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...se-mourinho-wayne-rooney-future-a7754341.html
Jose doesn't have to say anything like that, he could be diplomatic about Rooney's position while not seeming all that enthusiastic about him hanging around. And yet he seems genuinely happy enough for him to stay.
 
izzydiggler said:
I genuinely think he would - if not immediately, it wouldn't take long. I just don't see who would want to pay even half of his wage at this point - any club which he would improve aren't going to be paying them kind of salaries, so we'd have to pay most of it or he'll have to take a cut, which is unlikely.
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I thought Koeman was a fan. If he made the effort to take Wayne to Everton, I seriously doubt it would be for a bench role.
 
stevoc said:
Fair enough mate you see it differently, i mean i can see what you're saying if Ferguson wanted them to stay on which he definitely did then yeah i wouldn't criticize either of them for taking the extra year.

But i suppose it might be similar with Rooney, Mourinho is saying publicly just last month he would be ''very happy'' if Rooney stayed next season. If he's telling him similar in private which he probably is then Rooney will feel he's wanted and not move on even though he probably should.
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Big if there. I suspect he's being politic rather than genuinely wanting Rooney but of course I don't know. Time will tell.
 
Adebesi said:
Big if there. I suspect he's being politic rather than genuinely wanting Rooney but of course I don't know. Time will tell.
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Yeah maybe mate but either way i doubt he's telling him he wants him out in private. So i don't think anyone reasonable could blame Rooney for staying if his manager is giving him the impression he wants to keep him.
 
Raoul said:
I thought Koeman was a fan. If he made the effort to take Wayne to Everton, I seriously doubt it would be for a bench role.
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He did say they'd take him back but I think it would be under the misguided assumption that he could play his way into being something like his old self and it wouldn't be long before he was downgraded from first-choice every game.

Of course I could be a wrong and he might be a huge success if it ever happens.
 
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