Rooney - Wants to stay next season

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Stacks said:
Was the best player in the country for 3 years straight, dragged us to countless victories. His departure coincided with out decline, whilst he improved as a player. The team was so fecking excellent that our league title successes went from 3 in 3 (with Ronaldo) to 2 in 8 since he has left.

He offers little from the bench. Money is always an issue. if he is on 250k per week, thats a big chunk of our wage bill and the opportunity cost. How many players on 250k per week can any side have in their squad. He must take a pay cut or leave. We don't want to become Barcelona. Possibly Zlatans departure could ease things a bit but I imagine we want to secure some other high profile targets this summer
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Utd. played a CL final without him in 2011. Declining was starting with City getting more money, important players getting older and SAF going. CR7 was a factor, yes, but not a big one.

I know Wazza is not good enough anymore, but who would move in his situation? He has his family here and can still earn some money, we all would do the same. Do you think his family wants to move away. His kids have friends in Manchester, moving to China for example would be a risk for their satisfaction. But the bashing is getting on my nerves. He was a great player in the past, show some respect. I know he is past it and a lazy Shrek, but it´s awkward that we are bashing our top scorer. Glory Hunters like the Madrid fans.

Sure it would be honorable, if he decides to get a pay cut and be ok with starting from the bench, but why should he do that. It´s his job, we all would do the same in his situation. Stop celebrating Real players, who are using our club for personal interests ans start support the whole team. It´s awkward when we are booing our own players, it´s not only Wazza, Fellaini is another bad example.
 
Esquire said:
If you want to be sarcastic that's fine but at least have a cogent basis for the sarcasm. Ronaldo is pissed because he feels disrespected and not supported by the club in the face of charges. Even with that said I'm not saying Ronaldo is right. Rooney was straight up extorting money.
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they guy asked for a pay rise. grow up
 
Aki_United said:
Utd. played a CL final without him in 2011. Declining was starting with City getting more money, important players getting older and SAF going. CR7 was a factor, yes, but not a big one.

I know Wazza is not good enough anymore, but who would move in his situation? He has his family here and can still earn some money, we all would do the same. Do you think his family wants to move away. His kids have friends in Manchester, moving to China for example would be a risk for their satisfaction. But the bashing is getting on my nerves. He was a great player in the past, show some respect. I know he is past it and a lazy Shrek, but it´s awkward that we are bashing our top scorer. Glory Hunters like the Madrid fans.

Sure it would be honorable, if he decides to get a pay cut and be ok with starting from the bench, but why should he do that. It´s his job, we all would do the same in his situation. Stop celebrating Real players, who are using our club for personal interests ans start support the whole team. It´s awkward when we are booing our own players, it´s not only Wazza, Fellaini is another bad example.
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Why would he have to move away? He could move to Stoke, Blackburn, Bolton, even a commute to Everton each day would hardly kill him. I know people will laugh at me including Blackburn and Bolton, but the fact is he CAN move if he wants without uprooting his family. If he stays then it's solely for the money. Considering he already has enough money to set himself and his family up for life, it's a bit silly to assume everyone would do the same in his situation. I'm certain the majority of people would prefer to actually play football rather than sit on their arse doing nothing.
 
dichinero said:
But will he be amongst the top 10 players in China though?
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I think, playing regularly and properly motivated, he could be. Tho I don't know exactly who else plays out there. At the end of the day it's also as much about marketability as on-pitch quality for that particular venture. But I definitely think he's good enough to be an asset to a Chinese team, just as the eleventh best player in the PL would be a good player to have.
 
Adebesi said:
I think, playing regularly and properly motivated, he could be. Tho I don't know exactly who else plays out there. At the end of the day it's also as much about marketability as on-pitch quality for that particular venture. But I definitely think he's good enough to be an asset to a Chinese team, just as the eleventh best player in the PL would be a good player to have.
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If getting humiliated in england, 300k/week, england and united fans behind him isn't enough motivation I doubt china will interest him.

The man has lost his hunger after the big contract. A few mths from his big contract his form drops to cliff, freefalling so bad.

I can't blame him for natural decline, but i blame him and loathe him for not taking care of his bodies as any other high profile and highly paid players should have.

United give him a big contract, he should be professional and maintain an athlete lifestyle to the very least. Not to mention his off field antics of leaking news, moving to other position in a selfish agenda to hide his decline to the detriment of the team, contract shenanigans, etc.

Any other player not named wayne rooney will be hounded off long before 2017
 
RedDevil@84 said:
Ronaldo would feck off immediately if he was offered less than what Messi was being offered or below his self evaluation standards. Do you forget Ronaldo feel sad at Real and tell media the same just out of the blue. If it was not extortion, I wonder what was.
Ronaldo is not really an example I would take if we were talking about not wanting money.
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You maybe have a point there about Ronaldo. But my point was that Rooney was the same and held the club to ransom. Therefore, not loved in my books. That's all. I'm not sure one can objectively argue how he should be perceived on that basis.
 
stevoc said:
Well thats not true though is it mate?

Mourinho is publicly saying on a regular basis that he would be more than happy for Rooney to stay.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...se-mourinho-wayne-rooney-future-a7754341.html
Jose doesn't have to say anything like that, he could be diplomatic about Rooney's position while not seeming all that enthusiastic about him hanging around. And yet he seems genuinely happy enough for him to stay.
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He does have to say that.

If Rooney decides to leave of his own accord to find game time then he won't be entitled to his "loyalty bonus". If Mourinho is quoted in the press saying anything like "We have no room for him here" or "He is not in my plans" then Rooney can use that as proof he was encouraged to leave and can claim a portion of his contract. Rooney knows that he is not in Mourinho's plans for next season, at best he might get 10 starts if we have an injury crisis so it's in his best interest to find another club. Mourinho is just ensuring that the club don't have to subsidise that.
 
AndyJ1985 said:
Why would he have to move away? He could move to Stoke, Blackburn, Bolton, even a commute to Everton each day would hardly kill him. I know people will laugh at me including Blackburn and Bolton, but the fact is he CAN move if he wants without uprooting his family. If he stays then it's solely for the money. Considering he already has enough money to set himself and his family up for life, it's a bit silly to assume everyone would do the same in his situation. I'm certain the majority of people would prefer to actually play football rather than sit on their arse doing nothing.
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That's why he wont move as he wouldn't get anywhere near what hes being paid here. We could offer to pay him say £120 grand a week and the other club pay the other half. We would halve our payments to him, and he wouldn't be a miss really to the team.
 
AndyJ1985 said:
Why would he have to move away? He could move to Stoke, Blackburn, Bolton, even a commute to Everton each day would hardly kill him. I know people will laugh at me including Blackburn and Bolton, but the fact is he CAN move if he wants without uprooting his family. If he stays then it's solely for the money. Considering he already has enough money to set himself and his family up for life, it's a bit silly to assume everyone would do the same in his situation. I'm certain the majority of people would prefer to actually play football rather than sit on their arse doing nothing.
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i think most of us would expect to be hauled into an office if we were underperforming to the degree Mr Rooney is. Most employees in such a situation would agree a sensible plan to reduce their hours / plan their exit.
No class from Rooney!
 
wolvored said:
That's why he wont move as he wouldn't get anywhere near what hes being paid here. We could offer to pay him say £120 grand a week and the other club pay the other half. We would halve our payments to him, and he wouldn't be a miss really to the team.
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Even then I don't think you'll find any buyers in the top European leagues. Maybe USA or China, but no sane club would pay 120 grand a week for Rooney unless it's a club who do it as for pure marketing reasons.
 
buchansleftleg said:
i think most of us would expect to be hauled into an office if we were underperforming to the degree Mr Rooney is. Most employees in such a situation would agree a sensible plan to reduce their hours / plan their exit.
No class from Rooney!
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We also expect the company to give you severance pay as per the contractual agreements with us. So if we want Rooney gone, we should just pay him and send him off. Not expect him to tell us he doesn't want any money.
 
hellohello said:
Even then I don't think you'll find any buyers in the top European leagues. Maybe USA or China, but no sane club would pay 120 grand a week for Rooney unless it's a club who do it as for pure marketing reasons.
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Considering how his stocks have fallen in the recent years, I doubt any Milans or PSGs of the world would buy him for marketing. His best bet is states where he can quietly fall into darkness like Beckham and earn loads alongside it.
But, I really do think he can lower his wage demands and go back to Everton. That would give him a chance to redeem himself and play as a star at his preferred position which ironically is in the midfield as he claims
 
RedDevil@84 said:
We also expect the company to give you severance pay as per the contractual agreements with us. So if we want Rooney gone, we should just pay him and send him off. Not expect him to tell us he doesn't want any money.
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Agreed - but the severance pay would not be the full contractual amount - it would be a compromise agreement. Personally i would prefer the club to pay him off and have him leave immediately .

Not keen on him being an "ambassador" for the club either!
 
I dont understand the calls to pay up Rooney's contract and ask him to leave. It doesnt save any money, we pay the same amount to him, just in a lump sum, up front, without getting anything back from him. Is it not better to keep him around, on the off chance that he can offer something? Do people think his mere presence in the dressing room actually hurts us? Like people will be jealous about the amount of money he earns, relative to his output? Are people worried that, if he continues to not get games, he will start bitching to the press again? Do people think we should do it as a goodwill gesture to him, so that he can accept a lower offer somewhere else - meaning we take the financial hit for his inability to command high wages, rather than him?

I honestly dont get it. If someone is willing to pay his wages, absolutely, let him leave - and dont ask for a transfer fee. If he is willing to take a pay cut, great. But why should we be out of pocket any more than we actually are. We committed to pay for his services, even if we dont really need them, if nobody else is willing to relieve us of that commitment we should at least get something back for that outlay, i.e. have him available as emergency backup.
 
buchansleftleg said:
Agreed - but the severance pay would not be the full contractual amount - it would be a compromise agreement. Personally i would prefer the club to pay him off and have him leave immediately .

Not keen on him being an "ambassador" for the club either!
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Fair enough. But then the company should sit down and discuss the same with him. As it stands, no one at the club seems to be asking Rooney to leave.
So I don't really see the need for Rooney to start a discussion from his end for cutting his own pay.
 
Adebesi said:
I dont understand the calls to pay up Rooney's contract and ask him to leave. It doesnt save any money, we pay the same amount to him, just in a lump sum, up front, without getting anything back from him. Is it not better to keep him around, on the off chance that he can offer something? Do people think his mere presence in the dressing room actually hurts us? Like people will be jealous about the amount of money he earns, relative to his output? Are people worried that, if he continues to not get games, he will start bitching to the press again? Do people think we should do it as a goodwill gesture to him, so that he can accept a lower offer somewhere else - meaning we take the financial hit for his inability to command high wages, rather than him?

I honestly dont get it. If someone is willing to pay his wages, absolutely, let him leave - and dont ask for a transfer fee. If he is willing to take a pay cut, great. But why should we be out of pocket any more than we actually are. We committed to pay for his services, even if we dont really need them, if nobody else is willing to relieve us of that commitment we should at least get something back for that outlay, i.e. have him available as emergency backup.
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Some people think our top scorer stinks the place. He is being disloyal, disgraceful and a mercenary for not taking another job which may not even pay him 1/3rd of what he is getting here. Apparently, he is pure evil.
 
He held us to ransom by demanding a fat contract when we were in a weak moment with a cr#p manager. I say leave him out of the squad altogether. If he wants to play football again, he'll have to quit.
 
Ok, China might be a bit much if you're not the adventurous type and want to keep your family fairly settled, but what about engineering a move to somewhere on the East Coast of the US like New York? He'd only be playing there half the year, can afford to fly them out comfortably on the reg, and in summer can either come back or bring them out with him.
 
RedDevil@84 said:
Some people think our top scorer stinks the place. He is being disloyal, disgraceful and a mercenary for not taking another job which may not even pay him 1/3rd of what he is getting here. Apparently, he is pure evil.
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No he is a mercenary. Which is fair enough from his point of view and probably no different from anyone else. But he seems to have not looked after himself properly once he got his fat contract, so he's a bad role model to keep around.
 
glazed said:
No he is a mercenary. Which is fair enough from his point of view and probably no different from anyone else. But he seems to have not looked after himself properly once he got his fat contract, so he's a bad role model to keep around.
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I don't think any youngster looks up to Rooney and thinks I want to be fat like him. Seriously, even a kid at the club would know one should be fit and fine if they want to get a place in the team
 
RedDevil@84 said:
Some people think our top scorer stinks the place. He is being disloyal, disgraceful and a mercenary for not taking another job which may not even pay him 1/3rd of what he is getting here. Apparently, he is pure evil.
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Yes but even if that was all true, in terms of the disloyalty and disgracefulness etc, it doesnt change the business case. From a financial perspective what is the point of paying for something and then giving it to some other club to use? If you can get some other club to buy it off you, or relieve you of the ongoing cost of keeping it, that's a different thing, that makes sense. But if you cant, and you still have to pay for it, what's the point in giving it away, if there is even a small chance it could come in useful? There has to be some reason, such as that his presence is creating problems in the dressing room, and I have seen no suggestion of that.

Some people have said by moving him on we create room in the squad for others but that isnt the case because we wouldnt be saving any money. So maybe he is a mercenary, I understand people's frustrations about him sticking around for the money rather than making a decision that makes more sense from a football perspective, it arguably makes him greedy or lazy or whatever, that is a conversation you can have any I have a certain amount of sympathy with it. But paying him AND getting rid of him is the worst of both worlds: we're still paying these massive wages and we dont even have the fallback option - even if he is 5th choice striker, there is always the chance you could have a massive injury crisis, if we paid for his services we might as well keep him as a hedge against that possibility.
 
I'd say if we get Morata soon or another striker then Jose and Ed will lay down the law and tell him to do one. Can't really get rid of him until a new striker is confirmed. Rooney has been absolutely stealing a living here for 3 seasons now. Club don't owe him anything at this point
 
Champagne Football said:
I'd say if we get Morata soon or another striker then Jose and Ed will lay down the law and tell him to do one. Can't really get rid of him until a new striker is confirmed. Rooney has been absolutely stealing a living here for 3 seasons now. Club don't owe him anything at this point
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Only morally though.
Legally, the club is liable to pay 1 or 2 years depending on the terms of the contract. So we cannot ask him to do one.

We can however discuss and negotiate and try to get that valuation down. But as Adebasi said above, I would rather have him stay as the 5th striker or whatever, rather than allowing him to go and still pay him.
 
glazed said:
He held us to ransom by demanding a fat contract when we were in a weak moment with a cr#p manager. I say leave him out of the squad altogether. If he wants to play football again, he'll have to quit.
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Let's be honest he probably deserved the contract for services rendered!
 
hellohello said:
Even then I don't think you'll find any buyers in the top European leagues. Maybe USA or China, but no sane club would pay 120 grand a week for Rooney unless it's a club who do it as for pure marketing reasons.
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You're probably right. I think he will stay and sit on the bench and see the season out.
 
Adebesi said:
Yes but even if that was all true, in terms of the disloyalty and disgracefulness etc, it doesnt change the business case. From a financial perspective what is the point of paying for something and then giving it to some other club to use? If you can get some other club to buy it off you, or relieve you of the ongoing cost of keeping it, that's a different thing, that makes sense. But if you cant, and you still have to pay for it, what's the point in giving it away, if there is even a small chance it could come in useful? There has to be some reason, such as that his presence is creating problems in the dressing room, and I have seen no suggestion of that.

Some people have said by moving him on we create room in the squad for others but that isnt the case because we wouldnt be saving any money. So maybe he is a mercenary, I understand people's frustrations about him sticking around for the money rather than making a decision that makes more sense from a football perspective, it arguably makes him greedy or lazy or whatever, that is a conversation you can have any I have a certain amount of sympathy with it. But paying him AND getting rid of him is the worst of both worlds: we're still paying these massive wages and we dont even have the fallback option - even if he is 5th choice striker, there is always the chance you could have a massive injury crisis, if we paid for his services we might as well keep him as a hedge against that possibility.
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He was a mercenary when he signed up in 2004. Remember once a blue always a blue. Most footballers are, but if we were in their shoes we would do the same thing.
 
RedTillI'mDead said:
Let's be honest he probably deserved the contract for services rendered!
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More like Moyes, desperate not to lose the United and England talisman during his first summer in charge of the club, simply caved in to Rooney's demands. A gargantuan mistake in hindsight, though in fairness no one could have predicted the extent of Rooney's decline or how rapidly it would come about.
 
RedDevil@84 said:
I don't think any youngster looks up to Rooney and thinks I want to be fat like him. Seriously, even a kid at the club would know one should be fit and fine if they want to get a place in the team
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But they might think it's all about money, not about being good.
 
RedTillI'mDead said:
Let's be honest he probably deserved the contract for services rendered!
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Not sure he did at that point. SAF had already spotted him as a waster. Moyes was just desperate to keep the dressing room and didn't know what he was doing.

I'm not one to go on about Rooney or point the finger. I would just like rid at this point.
 
Random Task said:
More like Moyes, desperate not to lose the United and England talisman during his first summer in charge of the club, simply caved in to Rooney's demands. A gargantuan mistake in hindsight, though in fairness no one could have predicted the extent of Rooney's decline or how rapidly it would come about.
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I suppose there is a bit of hindsight involved as none of us knew he would become so bad but, still, 5 years for a player who had already been below peak level for 2 years and was not known for dedication to fitness....Moyes probably wanted a senior ally in the dressing room as well given he didn't know any of the other players he inherited.
 
wolvored said:
He was a mercenary when he signed up in 2004. Remember once a blue always a blue. Most footballers are, but if we were in their shoes we would do the same thing.
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Not every living being is motivated primarly by greed. Take Ghandi, Mother Tersea or Robin Hood for example.
 
@Random Task I always thought he would likely be struggling to justify his wages by the end of his contract, given the length of it and his age. I just thought he would give us enough service for the first 3 or 4 years of it that by the final one or two we wouldnt begrudge him being a bit past it. I guess I thought the final year of his contract would be a bit like last year, where he was phased out, or the year before, where he played but wasnt very good. What I didnt expect was that from a 5 year contract we would get one decent year, and even that was only decent, not outstanding. He was the best of a bad bunch in that first year.
 
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