Rooney fanboys always deflect to defend Wayne.Wonderful behavior. Viva Ronaldo
Rooney - Wants to stay next season
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Thank you. been saying this for bloody ages and the hatets then moan about his pay packet and holding the club to ransom because they won't admit they've lost the argument
and haters can't admit how great Wayne has ben for the club. Feeble!
I couldn't care less who said what first. The person I quoted was ranting about Ronaldo speaking publicly and comparing him unfavourably to Rooney who, he claimed, 'never went public with anything he did'. This is categorically false. Rooney not only publicly spoke about wanting to leave but he went further and deliberately tried to cause damage to the club by questioning our ability to compete for trophies.
End of discussion as far as I'm concerned.
After all he's done for the club Rooney deserves a couple of years feet up tits up Marlboro lights on the go packing on the pounds miscontrolling four yard passes collecting 300K a week. LEAVE HIM ALONE!!!!
Oh give over, he's done plenty wrong and i've criticized him for plenty of things over the years. My posts on this subject have less to do with defending Rooney and more to do with trying to clear up misconceptions and half truths about Rooney's contract saga's that are repeated so often on here that they have become fact for some.
You and others refuse to accept the reality of the events surrounding his contract disputes and continue to spout disingenuous nonsense like he ''Threatened to leave'' or he ''nearly joined City''. When he quite clearly didn't do either of those things.
So i'll ask again and maybe this time you will do me the courtesy of actually answering. How exactly did Rooney ''Threaten to leave'' as you claim if Ferguson was the one who went public?
I'm not sure it's really a win-lose argument situation. To some (like me) he will be greatly respected but not loved because of what he did twice. One could say Ronaldo did leave but he never hid the fact that he wanted to play for RM. Rooney just wanted money.
Fergie is actually quoted as saying the same about Ronaldo and Madrid. Also it was never Ronaldo's dream to play for Madrid. he was just desperate to go anywhere to Spain.
This. There was nothing he leaked and nothing he said. The whole issue would have been quiet if Fergie didn't go public. it was an absolute masterstroke by Fergie but Rooney never really went public himself.
That's the only defense of Ronaldo's behavior?
Well, no, Rooney never actually came out with a definitive statement outlining his desire to leave the club, but he did say and this is directly from the horses mouth "it might be better for all involved if I leave United" following a fall out with Fergie. According to Wayne, the contract dispute and his possible departure were two entirely seperate issues, though it's hard to believe they were not interwined since Rooney came out of the situation with an outrageously fat contract.
One of either Fergie or Rooney is lying about the whole thing, which one is up for debate. Not that we will discover the truth behind it.
Wayne just needs to be loved and surrounded my youth.
Get him back where he belongs at no.9 and have Rashford and Lingard playing either side of him
Get him back where he belongs at no.9 and have Rashford and Lingard playing either side of him
Well, if you ignore the context of the debate, the previous points that were argued then sure, you are correct. In that case yours is an entirely pointless comment but then we're all entitled to make those.
Check my post history, I said he was immense in the thread. But aay, label me a hater and carry on with your Rooney agenda.
Made no comment on Ronaldo's behaviour. A thread about Rooney isn't the place to discuss it? Crazy how often others are dragged into conversation of Rooney to defend him.
Isn't it pretty obvious that we weren't ever going to actively sell him? I and many others had said it the day Zlatan did his ACL. And it was pretty obvious. Considering we were never going to buy 2 strikers, especially as we need reinforcing in other parts of the pitch- LB, CM, CB , RW/LW and striker, buying a backup striker was least of our worries and with the prices having inflated the way they have, no club can afford to spend such amounts. The best we could have hoped was some young striker becoming available who can step up when needed and can become a starter in near future, but there hardly is any striker who meets these criteria and will cost less than 25m (which still is quite a lot for a bench warmer).
Wayne just needs to be loved and surrounded my youth.
Get him back where he belongs at no.9 and have Rashford and Lingard playing either side of him
If we want to get into top 4 this year, do you really think we could do that with Rooney/Rashford/Lingard as the front 3? cmon mate...i am sorry but that is alittle naive..
Rashford is the only player of those 3 who have a chance for the starting eleven this year.
Feck yeah let's aim at mid table while we are at it. Captain Roo!Wayne just needs to be loved and surrounded my youth.
Get him back where he belongs at no.9 and have Rashford and Lingard playing either side of him
I always thought the comments Rooney made about us slipping behind and not signing the right quality players were a bit ill advised, given it was implicit criticism of his teammates. Though actually they never seemed to have a problem with him for saying it. In terms of what he actually said it always struck me as pretty reasonable, seeing as most of us on here were saying more or less the same thing.
That quote was in 2013 yes?
From what everyone involved has said including Fergie in his book it's hard to know whether or not Rooney really did want to leave in 2013 or he just said that in the heat of the moment. Either way Rooney wasn't the one who made any of it public knowledge, so he wasn't threatening to leave to force United into improving his deal.
The contract he signed in early 2014 was on the same basic wage as his previous contract, so that rules out any of it being a scheme on Rooney's part to get a significant raise.
The facts are twice he asked privately to leave and twice Ferguson shared that information with the public (so much for club business being sacrosanct), and yet to this day a fair amount of United fans blame Rooney for both episodes.
Which is harsh in my opinion, even Ferguson said himself of the 2010 episode that he didn't think Rooney was lying to try to leverage a better deal. He thinks he genuinely wanted to leave, the only thing Rooney did wrong was releasing that silly statement outlining why he wanted to leave. If people are still angry at him for that fair enough. But you can't really blame him for anything else.
And with this logic, we'll not challenge for the premier league title and languish mid table.
Get a grip will you?
Rooney has been a legend and top performer for our club over the years, this comment highlights how our mentality has dropped since fergie. Fergie wouldn't put up with the shit Rooney has delivered the last 2/3 seasons and as fans that want this club to be successful, neither should we!
I'm pretty sure most of his assists were mishit shots.
My memory of the situation is hazy but yeah 2013 sounds about right.
I agree that Fergie was wrong in releasing the information to the public, but not surprising given his self-confessed arrogance and utter despise of people who dared speak out of place. Beck's, Keane, RVN?, Stam and various I have failed to mention all fell victim to Fergie and his god complex down the years. Remember the row over his bloody racehorse Rock of Gibraltar? Ridiculous is an understatement.
In any case, Rooney wants to stay on for another year. Seemingly unfazed by the idea of an extremely limited role at the club, perhaps he is genuinely intent on picking up his standard and fighting for his place. Unlikely to happen but somewhat comforting to think he is prepared to give it a go, rather than ducking out to China for an easy retirement.
Do those goals not count?
True, some of those count as mishits and pure luck too.
The problem is that, this is the same case every single year for that last few years. If he is really intentional on fighting he needs to leave his comfort zone.
No, time to move on. Go to China or Everton or wherever.
You're right of course, but try convincing Wayne to see it that way.
I remember supporting his cause this time last summer, genuinely believing he was going to turn it around. I was wrong. I won't be supporting him this time around, but I still can't fault the guy for making the effort. Despite his decline, I'm sure he would have recieved offers to play a more active role at another club, yet chooses to stay and fight for his place at United. I can respect that.
or is it money he is fighting for?
Any sane planer would realise his days are over at the club after last season
Possibly, then again he could move to China where they will pay his wage demands and then some.
Well he made almost 40 appearances last season, maybe he is happy to try to transition into a squad support role the same way Robson, Giggs and Scholes did in the past. Coming on for cameos and making appearances in the cups, in the hope of picking up a few more medals in the process.
He could of course also just be reluctant to take a wage cut and wants to see out his contract. Either is a possibility.
That's one way of looking at it. More realistically Rooney knows perfectly well he's not going to reverse years of decline at the age of 31, but doesn't want to turn his back on the last big moolah he'll ever earn in his life.
Better for us if he did of course, but we gave him the contract, and can't complain now that it's turned sour.
If he does get into better shape, improve his fitness and turn his game around, you'd have to ask what the feck he has been playing at for the last two years.
If he plays next season I am giving up on football... Over to the Golf Channel..
There's more chance of me finding use for a scuba diving gear in the Sahara than that happening mate.
He'd probably earn more in China than here. Don't think its about money. More likely there's no offers he wants in the premier league but doesn't want to relocate his family.
Rather than relocate his family, and having seen what happened to Schweinsteiger, he'd prefer the humiliation of being an unwanted appendage at a club where he was captain and figurehead just a couple of years before?
If I was in his position, and had a big offer from China, I'd be packing my bags. Better to rule in Hell than play for the reserves in Heaven.
He wasn't even good enough for a retired Carragher.
If it isn't about money and he is desperate to prove himself, I'm sure it won't be difficult to ask his agent to find him a club that will manage to take him on reasonably low wages.
If he feels Southgate has closed the door on his England career and he doesn't want to relocate his family to China or the US, then I fear we may be stuck with him. Thanks, Moyes.
This is the bottom line. He's given up on England so there's no motivation to do anything.
As I said a few pages back, the man has lost his hunger.
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