People who were defending him now accept that he's shite. The difference between us and them is that, they still retain some hope no matter how faint that their Rooney will return.
Rooney is finished
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Well no wonder he retired early, his defending has gone shit
In all competitions.In the 2012/13 season they both played in all 4 competitions yet Giroud outscored him. You then went off tangent with assists ignoring the goals argument.
There's no guarantee Rooney wouldn't even be starting for Arsenal to even get close to those numbers.They probably wouldn't be shackled by such a huge contract so wouldn't have to play him even in such abysmal form.
2014/5 is the perfect case in point. He played at both 10,8 and 9. Quite a similar number of games.He actually scored even less at 9 so plucking him at 9 won't mean anymore goals now.He's an even inferior player than he was then.Giroud is a better striker.Things such as hold up play are things he is light years ahead.Ball control is another.
And Rooney did play as lone striker for us recently.It was just last season too unless you have forgotten. He was actually first choice striker there with Fellaini as backup striker for the start of the season.
People still think he will score goals as a striker?
He'll end up hiding behind pogba looking for easy backpass
He'll end up hiding behind pogba looking for easy backpass
There was a Caf poster that predicted Rooney's decline as far as 10 years ago. An opposition fan.The signs were there.
Thats what I find strange. Its not like Rooney has suddenly turned shite in his last match. He has had equally shocking performances in the past. And yet his defenders kept insisting that those who criticized him, were actually blinkered by hate. The usual refrain was, while Rooney was on the decline, he still performed at a high level and deserved his place in the team. There were posters who wanted to know why there were no videos made of all the good bits that Rooney did in a match.
Fact is Rooney has been dogshite for a long long time now. Nothing has changed over one match. So were people just defending him until it became absolutely untenable to do so?
I'd like to see that post. Link?
The class is permanent, form is temporary thing probably accounts for some of the delayed judgement, for me anyway. No turning back now though, he's the perfect poo.
Yep......that and he's a perfect 10/8 or 6 (whenever he srinks the place up he "must" be moved to the other).
Both arguments, after 3 years of shit, are a tad nauseating.
See that makes sense. But heres the thing. Rooney didn't even play in our last match, against Feynoord, when a lot of the those who did play were quite bad. And against City, he was actually one of the better players. I don't like him much, but it would be silly to say otherwise. So those who think or thought he has/had been playing well, should still be defending him. Not having a go at you, btw. Just find it strange that theres been this collective dropping of the penny, both on the caf and the media over this one match.
Agreed. The rest you can say, he used to be better at. The compaining to the refs at every chance reflects where he is as a player now and what he thinks he can bring to the team. Throw in the constant complaining about poor play from teammates and it's easy to see why the fans just aren't interested in supporting him right now. If he was just crap, he'd be getting much more of a pass.
Because it was so blatant and didn't have a last minute assist to cover it up?
He hasn't done it for me for a long time, it's just now I just cannot take it anymore. The media I just don't trust (TV pundits especially). Everyone has their own agenda it seems, but maybe now the story of him being picked but needing to be dropped is an Eastenders episode waiting to happen. And I hate EastEnders.
Most things you say are fair. When I talk about assists I am trying to backup a simple fact that Rooney contributes more to the team whether he plays 6,8, 10 or 9.
Another argument that is done to death but the truth is that since Sir Alex retired, we haven't created nearly enough chances. No matter who played #9 for us, they have all looked like average players.
Rashford hasn't.
One of the lines in that article read, "...United responded with a typical late rally..."
Seems like a whole century ago now.
Rashford played as a striker in exactly the same team that Rooney did and played well.
It's not just the goals.He's so poor when played as striker.He barely touches the ball and can't make the kind of runs a good striker should be making. I remember the pre-season we played Barca with Suarez as striker
He didn't score but you could see from that what a Striker does .He didn't give the defense a moment's rest.That forces them into mistakes.Our Rooney is just lethargic as striker.
When he played as striker the excuses was about how little service he was getting.For Rooney the excuses really never run dry.
So did Martial when he was played there.
Coincidentally he was moved to left wing to shoehorn Rooney back into 9 by Van Gaal .People forget so easily.This are things that happened just months ago.
Martial was also quickly double marked by teams. At Palace away Pardew openly said what a good player he is and our only worthwhile threat
And Martial still kept scoring nontheless.
Rooney isn't that great a threat anymore.He was a great player.But now it's time.
The way things have gone Rooney will start against Northampton, play badly but score the winner.
And then we'll get the class is permanent idiots coming out talking about how Wazza is back! Keeps his place at the weekend.
And then we'll get the class is permanent idiots coming out talking about how Wazza is back! Keeps his place at the weekend.
I said the same in the match thread. You just know it's going to happen don't you? Probably be a penalty aswell which will be typical.
@JPRouve : Sofoot mentioned redcafe and this thread 
http://www.sofoot.com/le-cas-rooney-fait-presque-l-unanimite-369919.html
http://www.sofoot.com/le-cas-rooney-fait-presque-l-unanimite-369919.html
The easiest way round for Mourinho, is to play him v Northampton, citing the need for...experience.
Then, he's knackered, so needs a rest for Leicester
So, basically, he was just as bad, a year ago.
One comment stated that he wouldn't even get into Villa's side! And Villa were one of the worst sides I have ever seen in the EPL.
There was another comment stating that he is playing like he were 50 years old.
Funny how every fan seems to know that Rooney needs to be transferred out (not sold, because nobody would pay money for him), yet the managers risk their careers (and get sacked) by playing him.
@JPRouve : Sofoot mentioned redcafe and this thread
http://www.sofoot.com/le-cas-rooney-fait-presque-l-unanimite-369919.html
He he, Google Translate gives me this line:
"What Wayne has recovered hair, he lost it in football."
Ssssshhhhhh, DO NOT mention facts when arguing about Rooney's performances over the last few years.
And don't ever mention that he only scored 8 league goals last season, making him the 26th highest ranked striker in the EPL last season.
Lets just keep saying that strikers from rival teams are not as good as Rooney and not good enough to play for MUFC.
And as for G.Neville - I have now concluded that he has gone mad.
I wouldn't know I don't have friends.
@JPRouve : Sofoot mentioned redcafe and this thread
http://www.sofoot.com/le-cas-rooney-fait-presque-l-unanimite-369919.html
The comments are amusing, there is always someone saying that Rooney isn't used properly.
@JPRouve : Sofoot mentioned redcafe and this thread
http://www.sofoot.com/le-cas-rooney-fait-presque-l-unanimite-369919.html
The amount of journalists from around the world that browse the caf must be huge.
Well, there is correlation between the 2. It seems.
Worst thing is that his qualities waned long before the goals did.
For years the goals were masking the poor perfomances.Now he has nothing to fall back on.
as well as the physical side of things I think Rooney has mellowed too much over the years....marriage, kids and getting older have taken away his competitivity
remember the snarling Rooney after that hatrick in 2010/2011 (i think) - probably the last season you could put him amongst the best in the league
remember the snarling Rooney after that hatrick in 2010/2011 (i think) - probably the last season you could put him amongst the best in the league
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This one?
Although to be fair Gillespie posted a lot of nonsense, he said we'd in nothing for 20 years after Arsenal won in 2004
I'm actually surprised nobody made a Jordan Henderson Style, Shit Performance compilation of Rooney Vs Watford. If there is I'm yet to see it...
Posted or quoted at least three times in this thread. It's all over the internet.
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