Same could be said about LVG and Hodgson.
They basically put Rooney ahead of their own careers, which is crazy.
Rooney is finished
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Same could be said about LVG and Hodgson.
They basically put Rooney ahead of their own careers, which is crazy.
It's really unfortunate for us that we're at a point in English football history where there's no world class/big stars, but Rooney. Would probably be easier to bench him if we still had big names/world class players like Lampard, Gerrard, Beckham, Scholes etc. around that would naturally force pundits and managers to question his position.
Sorry, Henderson.
'Absent domination'
I just wish this lot would go away.Feck off Gary you brainless twit. Shite manager/coach and becoming a shitter pundit by the day.
Him and Phil are becoming so unbearable. Why are the Cof92 so damn unlikable post retirement.
I guess he's afraid to not get invited to the annual Rooney christmas party 
Rooney is an ex-colleague. There's no way he's criticizing him. The English players at United usually stick together and it wouldn't surprise me if Rooney and Neville are quite pally off the pitch.
He just managed him for the England squad as well.
He just managed him for the England squad as well.
Gary is becoming a parody.
Neville shouldn't work as a pundit if he can't be impartial on all matters. Surely he's intelligent enough to realise he undermines his credibility as a pundit when he's being blatantly biased towards Rooney and anything related to England.
We were poor against Feyenoord to be fair but much worse against Watford when Rooney played, Feyenoord played us like it was their game of the season and still needed a blatantly obvious offside to gain the win. Watford just played like they were playing Sunderland or Hull and had very little trouble against our predictable slow and disjointed garbage, gloriously led by Wayne who's display can surely rival William Prunier v Spurs for worst display in a United shirt (in my memory bank anyway).
This idea that losing to 1-0 Feyenoord is worse than losing 3-1 to Watford so it proves we're better with Rooney is nonsensical, it's absurd, I can't believe someone like Neville would actually say it. The Feyenoord game had a bunch of players having their first start of the season or playing in partnerships for the first time whereas we have game after game after game of Rooney's awful performances. Those players get a run of games they'll probably improve while we know what Rooney's level is now.
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I doubt he'll be happy having the Bastian's treatment.
You can see why he's failed miserably in the dug out. The Fayernoord comment ignores all context.
When was the last time we saw him do something like this? Look at the instant touch, the turn into space and the through ball.
Edit: the goal I'm talking about occurs in the 69th minute.
Edit: the goal I'm talking about occurs in the 69th minute.
This - they all stick together - no way they are going to openly criticize ex colleagues. As he's played for England and United that doesn't leave too many ex-player pundits who might say something.
Is he purposely being obtuse? Or does it just suit him to keep pointing the finger at the managers?
It's a fraternity with a code of conduct. Like US Cop's they know what it's like for each other so they protect each other. If someone steps out of line they will get shunned.
A lot of these guys live in similar areas, use the same golf clubs, friends of friends. If you sit there and say they are finished as a player and become part of the movement that ultimately sees their career end you're not going to be very popular amongst with certain alumni.
Sturridge is only ever fit for half the games. The games he is fit for, he is always "coming back from injury". I'd rather have a player who can be relied upon.
Giroud is just the most average striker amongst the top teams. He can get at the end of things sure but he's playing for Arsenal who create a lot more for him so he has goals to show for him.
Plant Rooney as a striker for the current Liverpool or Arsenal and he'll get you 15 goals this season while also contributing more to the play than Giroud and actually being able to play more games than Sturridge.
This Rooney is gone, never to return. The current version can't even turn.
If Rooney was Finnish, he'd be at Sunderland by now.
Maybe that's generous.
Funny how he doesn't mention that but for a linesman's error they wouldn't have lost, so it would have been a better result than Sunday.
Casillas ended up being the right decision, hope Jose can just see that dropping Wayne would also be.
Wow. I hate shit like this. Yeah the Feyenoord game was bad and the 3-man midfield we all want to see wasn't great. Does that mean we should just write it off? No, we played half of our second string in that game and maybe didn't take it serious enough. That doesn't mean that we should give it another try. Knee-jerk reactions like that doesn't help us, dropping Blind against Watford didn't help us either. Dropping Rooney is not knee-jerk, he has been underwhelming for a time now, Fergie wanted to sell him 4 years ago, it's about time. Of course it could be the case that we will be still underwhelming without Rooney and that it still doesn't work that great. But I rather give some other players and another system a chance for more than a few games than Rooney. Rooney can still fight his way back and convince us that we are wrong, but right now he needs to be dropped for the sake of the team. Rooney is just the prime example from picking individuals and hope they can work together, forget that shit and use the system, who suits the majority of our squad the best.
Stopped taking Neville seriously after that drivel. One of the most pathetic moments of bias ever, what's even more astonishing is the fact so many people ate it up at the time.
Guy is an embarrassment. He shows not hesitation to thrash players like Luiz or De Gea but always makes excuses for Rooney's nothing performances.
Dropping Casillas ended up costing him his job.
Was still ultimately the correct decision, he was finished as a player. The response wouldn't be as bad from United fans in regards to Rooney anyways, as most consider he's done.
Well Allardyce did basically say he can't tell Rooney where to play and he plays where he wants.
There is no way on earth top class managers who have managed the best of the best think that modern day Rooney offers anything.
I think youre right to say he might still have a part to play. As always with questions like this the answer is never as black and white as the available options suggest. My interpretation of "the required level" is the level the current status quo - his role as a guaranteed starter. He is done at the level required for that status. But you are right, if his role is reduced to that of a normal squad member he might still have something to offer. Though that also depends on how he takes to that kind of role - others have pointed out he tends to perform better when he is playing consistently. If he was getting the same amount of game time that, say, Herrera is currently, that might make the situation worse.
If it does though, c'est la vie, he should go somewhere where he would play every week - wherever that would be. He is [should be] done being an automatic starter for us.
I don't know. You would think there are stipulations but who knows? Moyes is not the brightest tool in the shed and most likely Woody just followed his lead (and tbf was under pressure to keep a 'big player' for sponsorship reasons). Who knows what Rooney and his agent managed to extract from us..
I had a go at his on Twitter for that. Always thought he was a good pundit but he's gone down in my estimation for that comment alone.
Here's the cafe reaction to his Villa performance over a year ago - https://www.redcafe.net/threads/wayne-rooney-2015-16-performances.406644/page-17#post-17945877
Not sure we should expect anything else from Neville. As good a pundit as he is, he played with Rooney for seven years and in his capacity as England coach, continued to work closely with him.
By all accounts, their friends. So he's not going to sour that for the sake of football. He just isn't.
By all accounts, their friends. So he's not going to sour that for the sake of football. He just isn't.
Really poor from Gary Neville. Embarrassing even.
Neville is either stupid or spineless.
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