Really Rooney should have gone in the Summer of 2013. That season he lost his real quality i.e. that extra yard of pace and power. He is 3 years past his sell-by and it's getting to the embarrassing stage where his legacy may be tarnished.
Rooney is finished
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Good ol' Squawka DaveSomeone else just watched the Full time review.
Seriously though, it's atrocious, he's been taking most of our corners if I'm not mistaken.
He might also have lost some confidence (Jose) - but you have to remember Ed and others on the board seem to like Rooney. Apparently behind the scenes Rooney is very political. Corporate people like Ed like that kind of nonsense and sucking up - and I don't doubt that Rooney sucks up to them in the right way. They also have a longer association with Rooney - I'm not so sure therefore that Jose has all the power under those circumstances. The only way to acquire power as the manager at United is to win. Mourinho's now lost 3 on the trot.
I just don't think he has ultimate power - no one does apart from Ed and the Glazers. We can only hope they soon tire of Rooney, or see how damaging he can be to (1) Ed and his position and (2) Glazers and their money. Say the club insists he must play or whatever and we finish 10th, and no CL plus Adidas apply their penalty and we lose cash - then they might not only bin the manager but Rooney.
How many more goals does he need? Honestly wouldn't be surprised if he never broke the record.
Ha yeah it always struck me as an incredible coincidence. What happened next was also incredibly fortuitous. Hodgson at exactly the same time suddenly decided he was one of the top three English midfielders in the country. Coincidences all round.
Nicely put.
Pretty much. He can't run, he can't dribble, he can't pass, and his shooting's only really of any use inside the box. He's still a big lad, so he's basically going to have to accept that he's just going to be that guy that lesser sides lump it to in hope he does something.
Jesus Christ, no. Can you imagine, with his first touch and uncanny ability in being dispossessed how it would go?
He was no place in the starting eleven anymore. Not a great striker anymore, never a great midfielder, nor great on the wings. It actually simple.
Not for us, christ. I think he'd be alright for Sunderland though.
Only 95.5% answered "yes"?
Some people probably don't watch games!
3 to equal. 4 to beat.
Are there really that many City posters on here?
Don't forget the scousers
Now we need to start another Kaká-esque rumour.
The state of this club. First we prayed to get rid of Moyes, than LVG, now we pray to God Jose bench him and we sell him afterwards.
I hope we won't have to pray to get rid of Jose soon and I think that situation is connected to the Rooney one. If he drops him it's a start to something good.
Maybe.
Again. The state of this club. Depressing.
I hope we won't have to pray to get rid of Jose soon and I think that situation is connected to the Rooney one. If he drops him it's a start to something good.
Maybe.
Again. The state of this club. Depressing.
Pex is the Malcolm X of the Caf.
The seconds before Rashford's goal on Sunday, for me, encapsulated exactly what's wrong and why he's not deserving of his place anymore. Zlatan broke to the byline after the 1-2 with Rashford and then crossed the ball in. It misses Rooney and Rashford and hits the defender in the 6 yard box. Rooney did what he does best these days - threw his hands up, begging the ref for a handball; meanwhile, Rashford, just a foot away, stays alert and stabs at the loose ball to get us a goal.
Not at 300k a week he wouldn't. Can't see the piggy little feck taking a pay cut either.
We should get Sir Bobby to deliver the news to him that he's out.
He'll go back for seconds.
He's done playing at the level we need from him. I'd still have him over Sturridge and Giroud though, players who will still be playing at the top level for a good few years.
Why?
I wish Rooney were as injury prone as Sturridge.
People that say Rooney is finisihed as he has lost that yard of pace and power are wrong. He has lost far more than that! Just go back and watch older videos of him to remember what a great young player he was, should have progressed to the level of Ronaldo and Messi but has really only consistantly managed that for 18 months in his whole career.
Dont get me wrong, Rooney has been a great player for both club and country but he hasnt been a top player for a good 4 or 5 years now. Not only has he lost the pace power and swagger but his shooting touch has gone, his first touch under pressure now strangely is utterly abysmal, it is truly shocking the number of times he loses the ball because of it.
My personal opinion this season is Rooney deserves his place purely from his performances and he has got away with it a bit the first few games by having decisive moment to merit a place, the last three games now merits his ommision from the side, even though to be fair our last match so many others were atrocious as well. After a promising if over hyped start to the season by us we suddenly seem to have gone back a year in our performance levels.
Same questions are raising there heads for me:
DO we have ANY decent central midfielders? Fellaini though doing ok for such a poor player is no way the right partner for Pogba and we still have several average central midfielders in the squad
Can Blind play as a centre back? He did very well the first three games but then against City, yet again we saw he simply cant defend flick ons, resulting in a goal
DO we have TWO wingers good enough to go past players and be creative? Martial hasnt looked right for several months now to me, I cant decide if he needs an arm round the shoulder or a giant boot up the arse, but he is a striker, as is Rashford. Mata has no pace and Depay has talent but I just never see him progressing, just liKE Januzaj something seems mentally wrong
Is Rooney finished? Erm yes
I have said this is where we see how good a manager Mourinho really now is at our club ashe hasnt been that great since going to Madrid, the test really is on for him. I think he has made an error keeping most of the first team squad and disposing of all the youngssters on loan. He has made four really good signings but I think he should have signed another winger and another central midfielder, sold 4 or 5 of the squad he has and kept a couple more of the youngsters.
I still see a side this year good enough to challenge for the title, not to win it but the top four shouldnt be a problem...emphasis on shouldnt
Dont get me wrong, Rooney has been a great player for both club and country but he hasnt been a top player for a good 4 or 5 years now. Not only has he lost the pace power and swagger but his shooting touch has gone, his first touch under pressure now strangely is utterly abysmal, it is truly shocking the number of times he loses the ball because of it.
My personal opinion this season is Rooney deserves his place purely from his performances and he has got away with it a bit the first few games by having decisive moment to merit a place, the last three games now merits his ommision from the side, even though to be fair our last match so many others were atrocious as well. After a promising if over hyped start to the season by us we suddenly seem to have gone back a year in our performance levels.
Same questions are raising there heads for me:
DO we have ANY decent central midfielders? Fellaini though doing ok for such a poor player is no way the right partner for Pogba and we still have several average central midfielders in the squad
Can Blind play as a centre back? He did very well the first three games but then against City, yet again we saw he simply cant defend flick ons, resulting in a goal
DO we have TWO wingers good enough to go past players and be creative? Martial hasnt looked right for several months now to me, I cant decide if he needs an arm round the shoulder or a giant boot up the arse, but he is a striker, as is Rashford. Mata has no pace and Depay has talent but I just never see him progressing, just liKE Januzaj something seems mentally wrong
Is Rooney finished? Erm yes
I have said this is where we see how good a manager Mourinho really now is at our club ashe hasnt been that great since going to Madrid, the test really is on for him. I think he has made an error keeping most of the first team squad and disposing of all the youngssters on loan. He has made four really good signings but I think he should have signed another winger and another central midfielder, sold 4 or 5 of the squad he has and kept a couple more of the youngsters.
I still see a side this year good enough to challenge for the title, not to win it but the top four shouldnt be a problem...emphasis on shouldnt
People that say Rooney is finisihed as he has lost that yard of pace and power are wrong. He has lost far more than that! Just go back and watch older videos of him to remember what a great young player he was, should have progressed to the level of Ronaldo and Messi but has really only consistantly managed that for 18 months in his whole career.
Dont get me wrong, Rooney has been a great player for both club and country but he hasnt been a top player for a good 4 or 5 years now. Not only has he lost the pace power and swagger but his shooting touch has gone, his first touch under pressure now strangely is utterly abysmal, it is truly shocking the number of times he loses the ball because of it.
My personal opinion this season is Rooney deserves his place purely from his performances and he has got away with it a bit the first few games by having decisive moment to merit a place, the last three games now merits his ommision from the side, even though to be fair our last match so many others were atrocious as well. After a promising if over hyped start to the season by us we suddenly seem to have gone back a year in our performance levels.
Same questions are raising there heads for me:
DO we have ANY decent central midfielders? Fellaini though doing ok for such a poor player is no way the right partner for Pogba and we still have several average central midfielders in the squad
Can Blind play as a centre back? He did very well the first three games but then against City, yet again we saw he simply cant defend flick ons, resulting in a goal
DO we have TWO wingers good enough to go past players and be creative? Martial hasnt looked right for several months now to me, I cant decide if he needs an arm round the shoulder or a giant boot up the arse, but he is a striker, as is Rashford. Mata has no pace and Depay has talent but I just never see him progressing, just liKE Januzaj something seems mentally wrong
Is Rooney finished? Erm yes
I have said this is where we see how good a manager Mourinho really now is at our club ashe hasnt been that great since going to Madrid, the test really is on for him. I think he has made an error keeping most of the first team squad and disposing of all the youngssters on loan. He has made four really good signings but I think he should have signed another winger and another central midfielder, sold 4 or 5 of the squad he has and kept a couple more of the youngsters.
I still see a side this year good enough to challenge for the title, not to win it but the top four shouldnt be a problem...emphasis on shouldnt
He was world class at his best but I don't think he was ever as good as peak Messi or even Ronaldo, they were different beasts. His best season for us was around 30 or so goals wasn't it? That would be a bad season for Messi and Ronaldo.
Makes good sense. If Rooney has as much clout as some claim, Mourinho needs the anti-Rooney movement to gain momentum. However, the other players need to step up to prove they are a better alternative than Rooney else it does not help the case.
This is just wrong and sickening - no player should be bigger than the club, and success should always begin on the pitch. No player or club becomes a "brand" by being awful. As of right now Rooney can't justify this level of commercial investment.
What have we been discussing in this thread? There is no conversation to be had on the topic of Wayne Rooney, he is no longer good enough to play for Manchester United and hasn't been for quite some time. Ferguson really was a genius, we couldn't believe he was gonna get rid of him all them years back.
Everyone's just frustrated. Gerrard was never this bad, and he was never bad for long either, but during his last season I really felt he could have played less games. I cannot imagine having to put up with three seasons of this.
This also makes me angry - why should he be carried to a record which, on recent form, he doesn't deserve to beat?
Just pay accrington, arrange a united cup. Let him score 4 and get it overwith
Good grief. Ex players love the man.
Rooney is certainly finished at the highest level, he past his best about four years ago when Fergie was lining up to sell him. If it wasn't for that idiot Moyes given him 300K a week we would have offloaded him by now to Sunderland or Celtic. It's my belief that Mou knows he needs to go, but was concerned about dropping him too soon and losing half of the dressing room and a lot of fanboys at the same time, however there is now enough momentum amongst fans and media to finally bench Rooney, with a view to offloading him next season.
Fixed that for you. The club is in good shape.
he certainly is.
Both of them are much, much better players. Especially Sturridge.
Good grief. Ex players love the man.
He has no pace, no strength, no touch, apparently no ability to pass it even to the closest man on the pitch and no ability to tackle. And this man suggests he should play as number 4?
I am now more than convinced that Rooney really knows the right people in the media. And I thought these kind of things only happened in Turkey.
Its like north Korea isnt it when it comes to the media and vast majority of professionals
I hope so. And I hope our team will soon be in a good shape.
Precisely. SAF put across his message when he did not start him for this game. Welbeck if I remember correctly had a great game.
With Pogba's arrival, hopefully Rooney will no longer be a major lead for commercial activity at the club. This can help United phase out Rooney and sell him to China or MLS before he becomes completely hopeless.
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