Rooney is finished

[Ixion]

He has no pace, no strength, no touch, apparently no ability to pass it even to the closest man on the pitch and no ability to tackle. And this man suggests he should play as number 4?

I am now more than convinced that Rooney really knows the right people in the media. And I thought these kind of things only happened in Turkey.

Yeah but he can hit that cross field ball to Valencia on the right, he's the new Paul Scholes.

 

[Church o Choccy]

I've got to vote no. He's been poor at the back end of last season and worse at the start of this season but he's still got enough technical quality to rediscover some form and spend another 3 or 4 years at the top level. Clearly he shouldn't be starting and it might well be the beginning of the end but to write him off would be a mistake.

Remember when Giggs was shit for a solid 6 months as he entered his mid thirties and everyone said he was done?

 

[jojose]

Putting him on transfer list or loan him for free as long as they pay a substantial part of his salary. There are ways to get rid of players

not without his agreement. he has 2.5 years left on a £300k a week contract. We cant force him out.

 

[Womp]

I've got to vote no. He's been poor at the back end of last season and worse at the start of this season but he's still got enough technical quality to rediscover some form and spend another 3 or 4 years at the top level. Clearly he shouldn't be starting and it might well be the beginning of the end but to write him off would be a mistake.

Remember when Giggs was shit for a solid 6 months as he entered his mid thirties and everyone said he was done?

Rooney hasn't dominated a game in years, let alone 6 months. He no longer has the technical ability, players with technical ability aren't notorious for shite first touches and losing posession everytime they're pressed.

Also comparing him to Giggs is baffling, he doesn't possess the ability, longevity or physical prowess of Giggs. He's fat and slow.

 

[Adisa]

I've got to vote no. He's been poor at the back end of last season and worse at the start of this season but he's still got enough technical quality to rediscover some form and spend another 3 or 4 years at the top level. Clearly he shouldn't be starting and it might well be the beginning of the end but to write him off would be a mistake.

Remember when Giggs was shit for a solid 6 months as he entered his mid thirties and everyone said he was done?

At which club?

 

[Sky1981]

Rooney hasn't dominated a game in years, let alone 6 months. He no longer has the technical ability, players with technical ability aren't notorious for shite first touches and losing posession everytime they're pressed.

Also comparing him to Giggs is baffling, he doesn't possess the ability, longevity or physical prowess of Giggs. He's fat and slow.

feck that. He hasn't even trap a ball with finesse for 3 years let alone having a great game.

His best game the last 3 years is only a goal or assist, but still filled with inadequacy

 

[Pexbo]

not without his agreement. he has 2.5 years left on a £300k a week contract. We cant force him out.

We haven't forced Bastian out either.

 

[Ixion]

From Sir Alex's last season to now I think there are only a handful of games you could say Rooney performed to the level he is expected to (for United). In the Moyes season you could at least identify him as giving everything and being the best of a bad bunch but he's gotten worse since then. It's not even a surprise if he doesn't get any chances in games these days, his movement is static, he's slowed down, doesn't have the drive to get in on the end of things, he hasn't beaten a man with the ball in about 2 years etc. Bench him, give the captaincy to someone else and see if it sparks some life into him.

 

[devips]

This really baffles me. Okay so he can't be sold off for whatever reason, but why can't he be even benched, or subbed? It is not quite rational.

 

[SambaBoy]

Mourinho needs to grow a pair and drop him ASAP. Pep did it with Yaya, a club legend, without even giving him a proper chance. Mourinho has done it with Schweinsteiger, a legend of the game but someone who has done nothing for the club, now he needs to do it with Rooney.

I don't mind him coming off the bench, but he should never be starting especially in midfield. He has no tactical awareness there, his cross field ball to Valencia comes down with snow on it so by the time it gets to him the full-back is on him, his first touch is terrible, and he can't dribble out of tight situations.

He's good for the odd assist or goal but if we persisted with Herrera I'm sure we would fare much better.

 

[Pexbo]

Mourinho needs to grow a pair and drop him ASAP. Pep did it with Yaya, a club legend, without even giving him a proper chance. Mourinho has done it with Schweinsteiger, a legend of the game but someone who has done nothing for the club, now he needs to do it with Rooney.

I don't mind him coming off the bench, but he should never be starting especially in midfield. He has no tactical awareness there, his cross field ball to Valencia comes down with snow on it so by the time it gets to him the full-back is on him, his first touch is terrible, and he can't dribble out of tight situations.

He's good for the odd assist or goal but if we persisted with Herrera I'm sure we would fare much better.

Yaya isn't the England captain with FA backing and a load of mates in the media.


It's Casillas all over again.

 

[rotherham_red]

I've got to vote no. He's been poor at the back end of last season and worse at the start of this season but he's still got enough technical quality to rediscover some form and spend another 3 or 4 years at the top level. Clearly he shouldn't be starting and it might well be the beginning of the end but to write him off would be a mistake.

Remember when Giggs was shit for a solid 6 months as he entered his mid thirties and everyone said he was done?

Except Giggs wasn't a mainstay in the starting XI at least 3 years before we got to that point and at least possessed the basics. None of that applies in this instance.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I've got to vote no. He's been poor at the back end of last season and worse at the start of this season but he's still got enough technical quality to rediscover some form and spend another 3 or 4 years at the top level. Clearly he shouldn't be starting and it might well be the beginning of the end but to write him off would be a mistake.

Remember when Giggs was shit for a solid 6 months as he entered his mid thirties and everyone said he was done?

The Giggs point is a good one "Sack Frogie, Sell Goggs" and all that.

It does seem unlikely Roooney can do the same. I keep thinking he'll sort his head out, eat right, lose weight, do yoga or whatever else he should be doing to stay as trim as Giggs did when he entered his 30s but if he couldn't do it for this season I suspect he never will.

 

[Church o Choccy]

Also comparing him to Giggs is baffling, he doesn't possess the ability, longevity or physical prowess of Giggs. He's fat and slow.

Baffling? Really? Every comparison is flawed because no two players are identical - we use them to highlight general themes and broader points. I wasn't saying "Rooney is Giggs" or "Rooney's career will go the same path as Giggsy's". I was saying Giggs was shit for a while in his thirties and everyone, including 90% of the caf, wrote him off as finished and that might have some relevance to this debate.

 

[marukomu]

Rooney is certainly finished at the highest level, he past his best about four years ago when Fergie was lining up to sell him. If it wasn't for that idiot Moyes given him 300K a week we would have offloaded him by now to Sunderland or Celtic. It's my belief that Mou knows he needs to go, but was concerned about dropping him too soon and losing half of the dressing room and a lot of fanboys at the same time, however there is now enough momentum amongst fans and media to finally bench Rooney, with a view to offloading him next season.

I think you've hit the nail on the head.

 

[Raees]

Baffling? Really? Every comparison is flawed because no two players are identical - we use them to highlight general themes and broader points. I wasn't saying "Rooney is Giggs" or "Rooney's career will go the same path as Giggsy's". I was saying Giggs was shit for a while in his thirties and everyone, including 90% of the caf, wrote him off as finished and that might have some relevance to this debate.

Its not relevant at all.

 

[Raees]

Yaya isn't the England captain with FA backing and a load of mates in the media.


It's Casillas all over again.

Exactly. It is a national institution he is dropping here and the English are the worst media in the world to deal with.

 

[Treble]

Baffling? Really? Every comparison is flawed because no two players are identical - we use them to highlight general themes and broader points. I wasn't saying "Rooney is Giggs" or "Rooney's career will go the same path as Giggsy's". I was saying Giggs was shit for a while in his thirties and everyone, including 90% of the caf, wrote him off as finished and that might have some relevance to this debate.

The post you reply to explains why the comparison is baffling and you fail to address its point: Giggs wasn't physically shot whereas Rooney is slow and less mobile. You must be blind not to see he has massively declined physically wise. Giggs was quite flexible and mobile compared to Rooney, even at 38-39. And he had a better first touch than Rooney which helps a lot.

 

[Giant Midget]

Exactly. It is a national institution he is dropping here and the English are the worst media in the world to deal with.

The mauling Rooney has recieved over the past couple of days makes dropping him an easy decision. The "tough" decision now would be to keep him in the squad. The media will quickly turn on Jose if he persists and we don't play well against Leicester.

 

[Sepukku]

I think he will be "rested" for sure against Leicester. But if i were Jose, id just put him main striker tomorrow night and see how he embarrasses himself. After that it would all be natural.

I'm afraid the Giggs argument doesn't hold. They have completely different type of bodies and personality. He should stay here this year, score the 4 goals he needs and then jet off to MLS.

 

[Lurpak99]

Exactly. It is a national institution he is dropping here and the English are the worst media in the world to deal with.

So? feck the media and Rooney's mates. Mourinho will have the backing from the majority of fans, it really isn't like when Ruud Gullit dropped Shearer back in the days at Newcastle.

 

[AndyJ1985]

I've got to vote no. He's been poor at the back end of last season and worse at the start of this season but he's still got enough technical quality to rediscover some form and spend another 3 or 4 years at the top level. Clearly he shouldn't be starting and it might well be the beginning of the end but to write him off would be a mistake.

Remember when Giggs was shit for a solid 6 months as he entered his mid thirties and everyone said he was done?

3 or 4 more years at a top club? You need your eyes checked. Rooney's already physically gone. Lord knows how bad he's going to be in his mid 30's.

As for the comparison to Giggs, well...that's utterly ridiculous. In athleticism and natural fitness the two couldn't be further apart.

 

[Sparky_Hughes]

I've got to vote no. He's been poor at the back end of last season and worse at the start of this season but he's still got enough technical quality to rediscover some form and spend another 3 or 4 years at the top level. Clearly he shouldn't be starting and it might well be the beginning of the end but to write him off would be a mistake.

Remember when Giggs was shit for a solid 6 months as he entered his mid thirties and everyone said he was done?

6 months, not two years.

 

[Insanity]

I've got to vote no. He's been poor at the back end of last season and worse at the start of this season but he's still got enough technical quality to rediscover some form and spend another 3 or 4 years at the top level. Clearly he shouldn't be starting and it might well be the beginning of the end but to write him off would be a mistake.

Remember when Giggs was shit for a solid 6 months as he entered his mid thirties and everyone said he was done?

Giggs was being used sporadically, not as one of the main attackers in the team. I don't think people would complain much if Rooney is used off the bench or in the midfield pinging balls to Valencia in games against opposition that sit back and defend.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

6 months, not two years.

Giggs form did drop, but his role in the team was reduced. He was not supposedly still seen as a major cog in the machine.

 

[2cents]

The seconds before Rashford's goal on Sunday, for me, encapsulated exactly what's wrong and why he's not deserving of his place anymore. Zlatan broke to the byline after the 1-2 with Rashford and then crossed the ball in. It misses Rooney and Rashford and hits the defender in the 6 yard box. Rooney did what he does best these days - threw his hands up, begging the ref for a handball; meanwhile, Rashford, just a foot away, stays alert and stabs at the loose ball to get us a goal.

You know what? Of all the shite attempts to control the ball, passes straight to the opposition, Hollywood passes floating into the crowd, and scuffed shots, it's this that probably irritates me the most - the constant appeals to the ref after a 'handball' (inevitably always turns out to have struck a chest) or one of his dives (he was appealing before he hit the ground during his 'fall' against Bournemouth). Always does it as the play moves on around him.

 

[Green_Red]

3 years. Goes to 2019. We'd owe him around £40M I think if we cancelled his contract. Don't know if any penalties and such are included - it could be more.

Surely thered be stipulations in the contract that he has to meet too, like being picked % of games, or having x assists... Itd have to surely?

 

[red_devil83]

I've got to vote no. He's been poor at the back end of last season and worse at the start of this season but he's still got enough technical quality to rediscover some form and spend another 3 or 4 years at the top level. Clearly he shouldn't be starting and it might well be the beginning of the end but to write him off would be a mistake.

Remember when Giggs was shit for a solid 6 months as he entered his mid thirties and everyone said he was done?

Rooney's been shit for a solid 3 years

 

[Sparky10Legend]

Giggs. And Rooney should never be in the same sentence. Giggs did what he had to do to stay at the top, Yoga/amazing diet AND adapted his game etc.

Giggs adapted. Whilst Fatty stole a living, "i have nothing to prove".

The core of Fergies management was every year you do it all over again. Come June 1st, the glory, the adulation and the fanfare meant nothing.

 

[Skåre Willoch]

Giggs was being used sporadically, not as one of the main attackers in the team. I don't think people would complain much if Rooney is used off the bench or in the midfield pinging balls to Valencia in games against opposition that sit back and defend.

This. He deserves to be in the squad, and deserves to get minutes every now and then. I'm sure he will benefit from this as well. Put him on when the opposition is tired, so the physical difference between Rooney and more fit players (that would be basically any player) would become less obvious/relevant. With 20-30 minutes every other game, he would overtake Sir Bobby, he would show the world and his teammates that he puts the team first, and he would get a chance to catch his breath after 16-ish years in the top flight.

 

[Adisa]

The people thinking Rooney will do a Giggs are clutching. Not only was Giggs in better shape, his drop in form wasn't as profound or as long as this guy.
Giggs technical abilities were also far superior to Rooney's. It's not even a comparable situation imo.
When Giggs had bad days, his bottom level still had a semblance of a footballer. On Rooney's bad days. He looks like someone picked from the crowd to play.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

This. He deserves to be in the squad, and deserves to get minutes every now and then. I'm sure he will benefit from this as well. Put him on when the opposition is tired, so the physical difference between Rooney and more fit players (that would be basically any player) would become less obvious/relevant. With 20-30 minutes every other game, he would overtake Sir Bobby, he would show the world and his teammates that he puts the team first, and he would get a chance to catch his breath after 16-ish years in the top flight.

Also if he was on the bench his influence on the team would not be as great as Jose would have to name another everyday captain. If he choses right, that is who the players will listen to and follow.

 

[Green_Red]

In fairness to him, he has been shite in the last few games, but he went on a good run of form last season after LvG dropped him on boxing day and Woy said his place in England team wasnt guaranteed for Euros. So he has it in him. But doesnt look at the races at all.

 

[Sparky10Legend]

Ryan Giggs - aside from his love life/assistant spell/issue is truly an all time legend at our club. Rooney isnt.

Anyone who can remember Giggs in the 90's will know the excitement you felt, an excitement NEVER felt with fatty.

 

[Raees]

The mauling Rooney has recieved over the past couple of days makes dropping him an easy decision. The "tough" decision now would be to keep him in the squad. The media will quickly turn on Jose if he persists and we don't play well against Leicester.

It is much easier now because Jose has possibly played a blinder here.. binding his time and letting it reach a natural conclusion. Someone mentioned it but I think the combination of the Euro's and his testimonial, made it very very difficult to get rid of him during the summer itself. Not to mention this chasing the records business.

He should have been gone years ago but this particular summer would have been very difficult in terms of logistics as well as the media. Other major issue is his inability to move to different countries, his huge wages and lack of appeal to other teams.. he's quite literally the elephant in the room but one Jose is working on getting rid off.

 

[Jacko21]

Giggs. And Rooney should never be in the same sentence.

Unless of course you're referring to their extramarital affairs. In which case, they both very much belong in the same sentence.

 

[FacerTheRed]

Rooney has been done for years. He was lucky that SAF retired when he did because if he was still there for one more year and Rooney wanted 300k a week on his new contract. SAF would of showed Rooney the bloody door, unfortunately he did retire which gave Rooney the opportunity to bully Moyes in getting 300k a week contract and captaincy which makes him undroppable... I haven't seen one performance out of him from then which will make me say that he is worth 300k a week.

He's just getting worse and worse, he has 1 or 2 games when he does turn up but other than that he's just average in overall performance. His movement off the ball is appalling, I remember the days when he was really good with his movement and awareness of space to move in and receive the ball. He used to make really intelligent moves to create space for the person with the ball to move in and get into decent space to score. Doesn't do it no more, the Watford game was his worse one so far tbh, theirs probably worse performances from him but this one just really annoyed me and I was astonished he was still on the pitch for the full 90 mins. No urgency, no desire to get forward or to move in space, feeding poor balls to Ibra, no chemistry with Pogba, he never takes a shot at goal no more.. I can go on and on. I don't want another manager trying to build a team round Rooney again, seen it been done by 2 managers and look where that got us... Time to move on and give the younger players a chance who can put out a better performance than him.

 

[Skåre Willoch]

Unless of course you're referring to their extramarital affairs. In which case, they both very much belong in the same sentence.

Even in this case, the two are totally different. Giggsy snuggled with a photo model, Rooney snuggled with a Ford model T.

 

[jojose]

We haven't forced Bastian out either.

Exactly. We give a player a contract that they are happy with and we are powerless when it comes to moving them on. We cant make them accept £25k a week to go play for West Brom.

So unless Rooney (or Basti) decide that they want to move - neither will be going anywhere.

Dog shit management

 

[sunama]

I've started to seriously think the same to, just because there are not any other excuses left why both Van Gaal and Mourinho won't stop playing him.

What about Hodgson and Allardyce?
Does have a contract with England also, to play in the team, if fit? Not only that, but to play wherever he wants, as well.

Sorry guys, but I don't buy the contract theory.
Rooney is being played by managers because they think he is a good player.