Nah I'm not. Not really. He isn't the most likeable lad for an outsider, but it must be harsh to see a club icon who probably once was your favourite player to fall from grace like that. The number is just staggering.
Rooney is finished
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Nah I'm not. Not really. He isn't the most likeable lad for an outsider, but it must be harsh to see a club icon who probably once was your favourite player to fall from grace like that. The number is just staggering.
I'd stay clear of Falcao, but yeah, it's galling how many players we've gotten rid of while we've persisted with Rooney.
Give it a season or two and we might add Herrera, Mkhitaryan or Mata to the list as well.
I still think Rooney is a good player. His best days are definitely behind him but folk go overboard with the criticism, IMO. He has been no worse than Pogba this season. In fact, he's been better. If it were Pogba that assisted Rashford at Hull every one of you would've been going crazy and wouldn't have shut up about it. You could probably count on one hand the amount of times he's actually been played in his best/natural position in the past few years. His selflessness has ruined his career and has ensured his legs are about 5 years older than the rest of his body.
That isn't a defence of his performances which obviously haven't been of a good enough standard but that sure as hell doesn't apply to only Rooney.
The irony of bemoaning players being played out of position to accommodate Rooney. I remember him being played in places like left mid under Ferguson.
Not many (if any) of those guys were sold or misused because of a persistence to stick with Rooney. Hernandez is awful. He's a good poacher but that's it. Clearly not good enough of for MU and the arrival of guys like RVP is probably what ended his United career rather than anything to do with Rooney.
You know the barrel is being scraped when folk are bringing up Falcao to slag off Rooney
When was Nani (a winger) ever played out of position to accommodate Rooney given that in doing so it'd clearly also be playing Rooney out of position?
Kagawa was wasted under Ferguson hence why he failed at United. Again nothing to do with Rooney.
ADM was being told to play right on the touchline by LVG. I can remember games like away to West Brom on MNF where he was basically in row A of the stands and Rooney didn't even play!
That isn't a defence of his performances which obviously haven't been of a good enough standard but that sure as hell doesn't apply to only Rooney.
The irony of bemoaning players being played out of position to accommodate Rooney. I remember him being played in places like left mid under Ferguson.
Not many (if any) of those guys were sold or misused because of a persistence to stick with Rooney. Hernandez is awful. He's a good poacher but that's it. Clearly not good enough of for MU and the arrival of guys like RVP is probably what ended his United career rather than anything to do with Rooney.
You know the barrel is being scraped when folk are bringing up Falcao to slag off Rooney
When was Nani (a winger) ever played out of position to accommodate Rooney given that in doing so it'd clearly also be playing Rooney out of position?
Kagawa was wasted under Ferguson hence why he failed at United. Again nothing to do with Rooney.
ADM was being told to play right on the touchline by LVG. I can remember games like away to West Brom on MNF where he was basically in row A of the stands and Rooney didn't even play!
Didn't he say something about the club bringing a better class of player in? Does he still think that now, even if it meant better than him?
I still think Rooney is a good player. His best days are definitely behind him but folk go overboard with the criticism, IMO. He has been no worse than Pogba this season. In fact, he's been better. If it were Pogba that assisted Rashford at Hull every one of you would've been going crazy and wouldn't have shut up about it. You could probably count on one hand the amount of times he's actually been played in his best/natural position in the past few years. His selflessness has ruined his career and has ensured his legs are about 5 years older than the rest of his body.
That isn't a defence of his performances which obviously haven't been of a good enough standard but that sure as hell doesn't apply to only Rooney.
The irony of bemoaning players being played out of position to accommodate Rooney. I remember him being played in places like left mid under Ferguson.
Not many (if any) of those guys were sold or misused because of a persistence to stick with Rooney. Hernandez is awful. He's a good poacher but that's it. Clearly not good enough of for MU and the arrival of guys like RVP is probably what ended his United career rather than anything to do with Rooney.
You know the barrel is being scraped when folk are bringing up Falcao to slag off Rooney
When was Nani (a winger) ever played out of position to accommodate Rooney given that in doing so it'd clearly also be playing Rooney out of position?
Kagawa was wasted under Ferguson hence why he failed at United. Again nothing to do with Rooney.
ADM was being told to play right on the touchline by LVG. I can remember games like away to West Brom on MNF where he was basically in row A of the stands and Rooney didn't even play!
Not this shit again
To be fair, his anger was specifically regarding the club not signing Özil - you know, because Ferguson wasn't capable of bringing in the right players himself.
All hail Rooney.
He's the worlds greatest all-rounder. What is his best position? I like you am getting fed up with any excuse for his terrible performances.
You know if Jose were to go, Rooney will become manager. It's a cunning plan.
For the love of us dont give them the ideaaaaaa
I'd say that would be one way of ensuring he is on the team sheet, though it would appear he already has this sewn up somehow.
He's weeding out all the management opposition, finishing them off until he is the only one left.
Posters here aren't basing the criticism off the Watford game alone, or even this season alone. It's based on at least four years of watching Rooney steadily declining, watching the Watford-esque performances becoming more and more frequent, and seeing Rooney practically disappear for vast chunks of the season. Pogba, Rashford or whoever have the promise of better things to come. With Rooney only the opposite is true.
He was sacrificed in this manner by Ferguson because he has been a problematic player in terms of his positioning for most of his career, and especially since Ronaldo overtook him in 2006. The only season where he justified being given a set, stable starting position in one position was 09/10, which was his peak. With 06-09 Ronaldo, and then post Bayern-injury Rooney, nobody has been able to say for sure what his personal best position is (10 or 9?) but Fergie always identified the position in which Rooney would benefit the team the most, and by his last season this sometimes meant the bench.
If Rooney had any morality in the last couple of seasons he would have given up the captaincy and requested not to be treated differently than any other player.
If I was playing as shite as him I would not look at myself in the mirror never mind stepping out onto the pitch representing one of the biggest clubs in the world.
I have nerve damage in my foot and I can still control a ball better than him.
If I was playing as shite as him I would not look at myself in the mirror never mind stepping out onto the pitch representing one of the biggest clubs in the world.
I have nerve damage in my foot and I can still control a ball better than him.
The decline is shocking. Has there ever been a player who has declined this rapidly? To fail to even control a ball and the basic stuff from being one of the world's best attackers?
Neville realized it when he was done and promptly retired. Is the problem the fact that Rooney does not realize he is done and still is persisting, with the club record in mind?
I still think he can offer, except off the bench when the opposition is tired and will not press him that much. But as a first teamer, he is done.
Neville realized it when he was done and promptly retired. Is the problem the fact that Rooney does not realize he is done and still is persisting, with the club record in mind?
I still think he can offer, except off the bench when the opposition is tired and will not press him that much. But as a first teamer, he is done.
Why can't we just move on from him.. it's so fecking frustrating. This guy was a beast in his prime as a support striker, but the unique things that made him the player he was is completely gone. Now he is just a wannabe advanced playmaker type, it should be obvious to everyone he is finished as a player at highest level.
Do your job Mourinho ffs.
Do your job Mourinho ffs.
I dont see what he can offer coming off the bench because his basic footballing ability looks to have gone.
In his head he is still the best player in the squad. Delusional.
Basically he can work when the opposition is tired and not willing to press. It's the only way if he and the Club want him to have a shot at the record. Benching him might do a world of good instead of starting and taking the flak for a loss which will hurt his confidence.
He did actually score some goals earlier this season so he is not really all that done. I believe it might just be a case of being rushed back from injury and backfiring badly.
All i want from him is to take the record and then he can go gracefully in Jan, or next year. Can't believe how time flies, it just only seems like yesterday he announced himself with that 3-0 debut.
36 people (+Jose) saying that Rooney is not finished.
I would love to hear how they arrived at that conclusion.
People. Just how bad does Rooney have to play, before you accept that he is not a EPL level player?
I would love to hear how they arrived at that conclusion.
People. Just how bad does Rooney have to play, before you accept that he is not a EPL level player?
He's not going to retire. He still gets played every game, makes an obscene amount of money, and is close to the record
As much as I would like to use that as a stick to beat him with, it's hard to blame him for not retiring. Assuming there isn't some stupid stipulation about playing time or records in his contract, it's up to Jose to drop him.
If there is a something like that in his contract, Moyes was stupider than I thought and Rooney needs to feck off for demanding it be included.
It would be interested to know how many think that they're being proper, "loyal" supporters while the rest of us aren't.
And this is why we should all respect Gary Neville who knew what was expected of him by the fans and realising he couldn't match those expectations any longer.
Jose Mourinho is a coward. Up until now, I thought he was ruthless but falling into the same pit as Moyes & LVG has changed my perception of him. Across town, Guardiola didn't give 2 hoots by dumping fan favourites(Hart and Toure).
Rooney is finished and this has been the case since SAF left him out of the tie against Madrid. Mourinho deserves all the misery he's getting - he could avoided this mess if only he had the cojones to drop Rooney as soon as he got the job.
I'm sure he still thinks he's a class player and doesn't deserve to be dropped.
Like he said "I have nothing to prove". That just sums him up.
Like he said "I have nothing to prove". That just sums him up.
Difference being Jose has always been a fan of Rooney, can hardly say that for Pep/Hart. There was the report start of the season ' he will give him enough rope to hang himself'. Nobody has said boo to the guy for the last 3 years, and the way Big Sam quivered down to him last week was pathetic
I don't think I've actually seen one of these people make a post yet. Every post I've read seems to agree that he simply isn't good enough anymore.
Think I remember one time last season when he had me off my seat..... the goal against Newcastle
I wouldn't say he's been any more than average for the last 2/3 seasons......
Up to you Jose as it's hard to fathom why this guy still keeps his place regardless
I wouldn't say he's been any more than average for the last 2/3 seasons......
Up to you Jose as it's hard to fathom why this guy still keeps his place regardless
95% of Redcafe believe Rooney is finished. "landslide" springs to mind.
I think these awful results and Rooney's horrendous form might be a blessing in disguise.
If we started amazingly well and Rooney's failings were glossed over, he might even been given a new contract given our club's incompetence on these matters.
Now, it seems we are on the brink of finally destroying this incomprehensible pedestal he's stood on for such a long time and the club can now hopefully move on.
If we started amazingly well and Rooney's failings were glossed over, he might even been given a new contract given our club's incompetence on these matters.
Now, it seems we are on the brink of finally destroying this incomprehensible pedestal he's stood on for such a long time and the club can now hopefully move on.
Agreed about Pep, but its a bit early to throw Jose under the bus. We need to see if he learns from the last three games and finally returns to his ruthless streak.
Neville's decision had nothing to do with the fans and their expectations. It was all about his own expectations and what being a United player required.
I don't think he's 'done' but on current form he shouldn't be an automatic starter for us or England.
You think our poll result is bad - another United forum has 99% of voters wanting him out of the team. We're tame in comparison.
In what way is he not 'done' though? Yeah he still does something once in a blue moon, but if we brought Falcao back and played him every game he probably would too. Feck if we brought Scholes out of retirement again he'd probably contribute more to our play. Point is, no other player would get that treatment.
It's been covered plenty before, but perhaps the most concerning part of the Rooney situation is that neither LvG nor Mourinho (two managers with a long history of being ruthless) dropping him. Makes one wonder.
Ask yourself: was Casillas as relatively poor as Rooney when he was dropped by Jose? Maybe, but I honestly don't know. And we're talking about Iker fecking Casillas... Madridista through and through with over 700 appearances at the club. I have to respect Rooney for all he's done at this club, but he surely has nowhere near the standing that Casillas has/had at Madrid. Yet Iker was axed and we persist with Rooney.
Ask yourself: was Casillas as relatively poor as Rooney when he was dropped by Jose? Maybe, but I honestly don't know. And we're talking about Iker fecking Casillas... Madridista through and through with over 700 appearances at the club. I have to respect Rooney for all he's done at this club, but he surely has nowhere near the standing that Casillas has/had at Madrid. Yet Iker was axed and we persist with Rooney.
Sadly I don't believe he sees it that way. He's no Eric Cantona nor Gary Neville - both realised they could no longer contribute to the team and gracefully bowed out. Rooney will be kicking and screaming on his way out (whenever that will be) making sure he takes the club to the cleaners.
Perhaps Mourinho will survive if he doesn't take us down to the relegation places. But I'm not sure he's in a position to win no matter what. Rooney is a big problem from every point of view.
You guys are lucky not to have this issue. In fact, seeing how smart Pep is, I have a feeling even if he were available he wouldn't have taken the United job. There's too much politics and scrutiny. At City, everything is under control for him. He's got the people he wants taking care of everything related to your club and its structure, organisation etc, whilst all he needs to do is concentrate on football and his players. That's an infinitely more attractive proposition to someone like Pep - who doesn't want to get emotionally involved - he just wants the space to do his thing football wise. In contrast, United expect far more from their managers and the pressure here is always at crazy levels. Pep is brilliant, but I don't think even he would thrive in our environment tbh. Only SAF seemed to be able to
Done is just a stupid way of putting it. Is he a top level player anymore - probably not. Is he still good enough of the EPL - definitely. He still has a few years left but likely he will have to play more as a midfielder.
This thread is typical forum black/white when the truth is somewhere in between.
Does he care? Not really.
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