Rooney Charged: Faces Two Match Ban for cursing | Appeal lost

sammsky1 said:
The FA's decision has been questioned by Professional Footballers' Association chief Gordon Taylor.

In a statement issued on the PFA website, Taylor said: "Whilst the use of foul and abusive language is not condoned, there is an acceptance by all parties within the game that 'industrial language' is commonly used.

"It becomes an issue when directed towards match officials. However, when used in a spontaneous way in celebration or frustration then it is not normally expected to merit a sanction.

"If sanctions are to be imposed in such circumstances then this has to be done in a balanced and consistent manner, and participants made aware of this fundamental change in approach."
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I'm not always a Taylor fan, but I think folk would have difficulty disagreeing with this perspective
 
Northstand said:
Or in other words, to argue that this has set a precedent? I'm not sure there's any other argument to be made.
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Asking for retrospective punishment is probably futile but a major argument in the appeal will be that this would be setting a major precedent for the future.

The other thing that the massive overreaction to this incident will bring is that for the forseeable future I guess the Stretford End will be chanting "WHAT? feckING WHAT? feckING WHAT?" at full volume for a while. Hopefully.
 
When does this 'ban' get officially announced? Without reading through the several pages I have missed whilst being offline today, I am assuming that we have not appealed the decision?
 
K Stand Knut said:
When does this 'ban' get officially announced? Without reading through the several pages I have missed whilst being offline today, I am assuming that we have not appealed the decision?
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Appealed the severity of the decision.
 
Hopefully our appeal isn't predicated on the fact that others do it but, more so this is the first time the FA has ever enforced the rule about foul language on the pitch, that they should at least bear that in mind.

Also, that while we understand we are the precedent setting case, we also look for consistency from them when other players are clearly seen using foul/abusive language either to the referees or during goal celebrations or even simply for missing a pass/shot until as such time the rules state otherwise.

The panel needs to realize they can't just apply the Rooney and then forget about it if they are going to ban him and not others.
 
Shimo said:
The panel needs to realize they can't just apply the Rooney and then forget about it if they are going to ban him and not others.
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They can do whatever they like, and then forget about it the following week. That's the problem. Appealing is right, we might as well try, but I don't believe it will help us. I don't believe we'll even see another player charged for anything like this.
 
Well played by Rooney and United. Almost every week you can hear or lip read players cursing, most often to or in regards to referees - which is far more harmful to the spirit of the game than when used in celebration. Best case scenario, the FA take widespread outcry over suspension and Gordon Taylor's words into account and make it a suspended ban. He's had no warning, there's no precedent AND Rooney apologized straight away before the FA charged him - so a suspended ban does a fine job of handling the situation.
 
phelans shorts said:
Any way of backing that up?
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You might have caught me there. I was reading about it earlier, but it turns out I was reading the procedure for dismissals, not dismissal-worthy offences not seen by the ref. The former says minimum one game, the latter doesn't. (Which surprises me, I have to say. I thought dismissals were treated exactly the same way as would-have-been-dismissals. But maybe they are in practise.)
 
forevrared said:
Well played by Rooney and United. Almost every week you can hear or lip read players cursing, most often to or in regards to referees - which is far more harmful to the spirit of the game than when used in celebration. Best case scenario, the FA take widespread outcry over suspension and Gordon Taylor's words into account and make it a suspended ban. He's had no warning, there's no precedent AND Rooney apologized straight away before the FA charged him - so a suspended ban does a fine job of handling the situation.
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That would mean The F.A applying common sense. Don't hold your breath mate
 
Did bellamy not swear to the camera when he scored at Old Trafford last year? Just typical making a deal of it cos it's United and Rooney. Although if he gets off you know the abu's will be using the fact that it's us and rooney as the reason he got off.
 
If the FA dont back down on the appeal I think its United's responsibility to appeal the case to the Court for Arbitration in Sport (CAS).

Im sick of the FA ambushing United in this fashion.
 
Manchester United's Wayne Rooney claims West Ham fans' provocation triggered television camera rant
Wayne Rooney will face Chelsea at Stamford Bridge on Wednesday night having cited sustained abuse from West Ham supporters during Saturday’s 4-2 victory at Upton Park as the trigger for his foul-mouthed rant into a television camera in his appeal against a two-match ban.

Rooney, who could be joined by the fit-again Rio Ferdinand in the starting line-up for Manchester United’s Champions League quarter-final clash against Chelsea, is expected to overcome a shin injury.

But the United forward could be forced to wait until 6pm — less than two hours before kick-off on Wednesday — before discovering whether his appeal against the severity of his punishment for swearing into a camera has been successful.

The Football Association confirmed on Tuesday night that Rooney had accepted the charge, imposed on Monday, of using offensive, insulting and / or abusive language, but had submitted a claim that the automatic penalty of a two-game suspension was 'clearly excessive.’

A disciplinary commission, at which neither United or Rooney can be represented, will consider the submission today before reaching a verdict no later than 6pm.

If successful, Rooney’s ban could be reduced to one game, making him free to face Manchester City in the FA Cup semi-final at Wembley on April 16. Conversely, the commission could reject the appeal and add a further game, ruling the player out of the April 19 trip to Newcastle, should the appeal be regarded as frivolous.

United manager Sir Alex Ferguson refused to discuss the Rooney situation in his pre-match press conference on Tuesday evening, beyond confirming that the club had submitted its response to the FA.

But The Daily Telegraph understands that Rooney’s appeal will be supported by United’s claim that his outburst, which followed his hat-trick goal on Saturday, was a mixture of elation and the release of frustration and anger at what he, and United, believe to have been repeated chants of an unsavoury nature directed at the 25 year-old from the home supporters.

In their submission to the FA commission, United will also highlight Rooney’s swiftly-issued apology on Saturday afternoon which they hope will underline his contrition and acceptance of wrongdoing.

Yet with the FA determined to strike a blow for their own Respect campaign by taking strong action against Rooney, United and their advisers will stress the need for respect to be a two-way process, with players and managers deserving protection against personal and abusive chants from supporters.

The chants directed at Rooney on Saturday are understood to have been of a personal nature, with some referring to allegations that he slept with prostitutes.

United’s anger at Rooney’s charge remains, however, with the club’s sense of frustration increased by documentation outlining the charge which confirms that match referee Lee Mason informed the FA that he would have dismissed Rooney had he witnessed the incident on Saturday.

Chelsea manager Carlo Ancelotti has emerged an unlikely ally for Rooney, however, after admitting his surprise at the FA’s action, which has led some United fans to call for a boycott of merchandise and food and Wembley during the semi-final next week.

Ancelotti said: “The behaviour is not so good, but when you score a goal ... In Italy nothing happens if a player shouts into a camera. Here, a two-game ban, they are very strong here. I am surprised.”

Manchester United's Wayne Rooney claims West Ham fans' provocation triggered television camera rant - Telegraph
 
The ban would definitely include the city semi would it, and not just Premier League games?
 
So yesterday, I decided to make my comments about Rooney getting banned heard via my Facebook comments, as you do if you're a saddo like me.
Late in the afternoon (early UK time), I got a notice someone had responded and it was one of my best mate's birds. My mate, by the way, is a City fan.
She wrote something like "Rooney is a role model and it's disgraceful blah blah", now before I could respond my dad (yes, my dad is one of my Facebook chums) got in before me and said "typical Blue" and then launched into the FA for double standards and what not. She cracked it big time but what happened was, because my dad has exactly the same name as me, she thought it was me saying this,not him even though we're differentiated by him being John and me being Johnno.
She sent me a message, blew up at me and deleted all her comments and me as her friend from Facebook, which I'm not exactly heart-broken over but I'm sure she would have told my mate how I was giving her grief, even though it was actually my dad BUT wasn't even abuse, just a response!
Deary me, this internet stuff can cause rifts...
 
I still can't believe Mason said he would have sent Rooney off if he'd seen the incident. If at all true - What? fecking What? How many W. Ham players in that same game (and probably United players too) probably swore when he awarded the penalties?

Laughable and even more laughable that none of the journalists that claim to have journalistic integrity aren't questioning why he hasn't sent off 100s of players in his time as ref cause surely he's heard more than a few times the f-word being used.
 
Shimo said:
I still can't believe Mason said he would have sent Rooney off if he'd seen the incident. If at all true - What? fecking What? How many W. Ham players in that same game (and probably United players too) probably swore when he awarded the penalties?

Laughable and even more laughable that none of the journalists that claim to have journalistic integrity aren't questioning why he hasn't sent off 100s of players in his time as ref cause surely he's heard more than a few times the f-word being used.
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Mate, you'll actually be surprised how many journalists in the main rags are actually in support of Rooney's cause; yes they agree that he shouldn't have swore, as do I and seemingly so does he himself having apologised but take a look at these examples from the last few days;

Wayne Rooney swore

Ban Wayne Rooney if you want but wiping out swearing would be self-defeating - Telegraph

Obviously there are others I've seen that have smirked at this and agreed it was a good thing, like Martin Samuel, but these two are examples of a good few I have seen actually sympathising with both United and Rooney and that surprises me.
 
If successful, Rooney’s ban could be reduced to one game, making him free to face Manchester City in the FA Cup semi-final at Wembley on April 16. Conversely, the commission could reject the appeal and add a further game, ruling the player out of the April 19 trip to Newcastle, should the appeal be regarded as frivolous.
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The bit that irritates me is getting an extra game ban for daring to defend yourself.
 
He should remove himself from England consideration for as many matches as he is banned.

I personally think Wayne Rooney is a perfect role model for children. A parent can point to Wayne and tell their kid they will knock the shit out of them if they act like him.
 
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