Ronaldo: Stay or go?

Will Ronaldo be at Utd next season?

  • Yes

    Votes: 824 52.3%

  • No

    Votes: 753 47.7%
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shamans said:
Which is completely ignoring the context of things. You're telling me without Ronaldo we would have score more goals last season? We all saw how Bruno Rashford and Greenwood played. Greenwood was taking 20 yard punts when a shot was on. Rashford running down alleyways. People like like pre Ronaldo we were this cohesive unit that he dismantled. Juve went to shite after he left as well.
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That's what you still struggle with. You seem to think it's a big coincidence that they all started playing poorly as soon as he arrived.

Juve were 5th place after the penultimate match of his last season. They benched him on the final match day and promptly catapulted the 4th place team. And then got top 4 again this year.

Meanwhile United went from 2nd to 6th after your boy came.
 
Ladron de redcafe said:
That's what you still struggle with. You seem to think it's a big coincidence that they all started playing poorly as soon as he arrived.

Juve were 5th place after the penultimate match of his last season. They benched him on the final match day and promptly catapulted the 4th place team. And then got top 4 again this year.

Meanwhile United went from 2nd to 6th after your boy came.
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So it's more believable that the whole season for that is Ronaldo and two managers Ole and Ralf didn't realize. Especially a manager as experienced as Ralf Ragnick, kept playing him because he is stupid?
 
shamans said:
So it's more believable that the whole reason for that is Ronaldo and two managers Ole and Ralf didn't realize. Especially a manager as experienced as Ralf Rangnick, kept playing him because he is stupid?
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Is Rangnick stupid for continuing to play Rashford?

Yes, it's more believable than blaming the same players who ended 2nd before Ronaldo joined.
 
shamans said:
Which is completely ignoring the context of things. You're telling me without Ronaldo we would have score more goals last season? We all saw how Bruno Rashford and Greenwood played. Greenwood was taking 20 yard punts when a shot was on. Rashford running down alleyways. People like like pre Ronaldo we were this cohesive unit that he dismantled. Juve went to shite after he left as well.
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The context was that he would go to Chelsea and make them contenders which is ironically what you're ignoring. And no I didn't tell you that we would have scored more goals without him either, I simply stated a fact that should back up the notion that he won't make Chelsea contenders.
 
Can't even imagine how out of place he will look if he only just joins towards the end of preseason. The club is also a circus for this. "Any player who doesn't want to stay can feck off" till it's a favourite then people go full blown hypocrite. Whatever happens Ronaldo should not be begged to stay.
 
Ladron de redcafe said:
Is Rangnick stupid for continuing to play Rashford?

Yes, it's more believable than blaming the same players who ended 2nd before Ronaldo joined.
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So you're saying Rangnick and Ole were both completely stupid for playing and backing Ronaldo? They should have listend to Ladron de redcafe?

Also, I'm guessing the games we lost without Ronaldo was a "fluke" as well.
 
Greck said:
Can't even imagine how out of place he will look if he only just joins towards the end of preseason. The club is also a circus for this. "Any player who doesn't want to stay can feck off" till it's a favourite then people go full blown hypocrite. Whatever happens Ronaldo should not be begged to stay.
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This might grind some ears here given the current sentiment but Ronaldo is not "any player". Maybe that's the problem but in reality it does make a difference.
 
mitchmouse said:
Rio Ferdinand has this to say:


Cristiano Ronaldo has been watching the likes of Liverpool and Arsenal make transfer deals all summer whilst Man United have struggled to keep up.
And this is one of the main reasons Ronaldo wants out from Old Trafford.
That’s the view of Rio Ferdinand, who said: “He’ll be sitting there, on his sun lounger, on his yacht, on his jet, wherever he is in the world.
“Seeing Manchester City signing Haaland. Seeing Liverpool signing Nunez, among other players. Phillips has just gone to Manchester City as well.
“He would be thinking ‘we had work catching these guys, anyway, before these big signings come into these football clubs and now they are jumping even further away from us’.
“Arsenal are making moves. He’s sitting there thinking ‘when is my team going to start making moves’".
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Absolute pile of shite this.

Ronaldo has 1 more year with us we aren't going from 6th to 1st in one window anyone expecting we do is living in cuckoo land, we could still challenge for a cup with a good draw even now with the team we have.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
I have the right to condenscend to anyone who dares to refute 15 years of proven professionalism at the highest level and recent younger team mates comments about said player with " those talking about him couldn't say what they really mean. "
Another wonderful example of failing to interpret basic evidence infront of you. The claim made is CR7 made a team like Juventus significantly worse. It is provably false he didn't going by how the team performed exactly the same after he did leave and was replaced by a younger and much fitter version of his current self at center forward. I didn't need to further reach into the past to disprove the claim at all.

If I was being asked to prove my claim Juve failed with CR7 because of the midfield THEN I would have progressively shown how Juve's midfield got progressively worse between the time he arrived up to now. A reason why the team fell from first place and competing in Europe before his arrival to struggling to make the UCL in the league with in a span of 3 years.

Further more its a marvel your incessant penchant for lies to buttress your arguments never fails to rare its ugly head:

I never at any point insinuated nor argued Juve's form could turn off and on like a tap. Because unlike you I never laid the blame on the collective collapse of form and structure of an entire team on the addition of one player operating in the most dependant role of all in the team. Twice.


Without fail. Butressing your argument with pure lies.
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Most Juve fans would disagree with you.. Most think it was a major mistake to bring in Ronaldo.. You can post above in Juve forums so they can educate you on the matter in detail as you seem to have a complete opposite view. The team without Ronaldo played 2 finals in CL in 4 years in probably the most challenging CL era and already won 8 Serie As in a row before his arrival. Results before/after speak for themselves.

Ronaldo centric system made Juve a weaker team which is a fact shared by most fans that's why we did not even care about his departure before his contract end. The only thing we cared about was the timing. It was a very unprofessional and cowardly move right after the season started. If he left earlier, we would have time to bring in a new striker. Instead, we had to rely on Morata. Despite that and Dybala, Chiesa injuries, we finished in the same place in Serie A.. Now seeing the way he is treating United, I am not even surprised, the guy only cares about his stats, doesn't have much leadership qualities or loyalty, widely seen as an egomaniac..
 
missing the tour.

This personal emergency must be really important
 
It doesn't need this drama. Utd hoped that adding Ronaldo could take what looked like an improving team into a trophy challenging and winning squad, that they could squeeze the last of the magic out of him. That idea was done after a month, and a rebuild was inevitable. Ronaldo does not fit into this timeline, is pointless as a 38yo in what will be a development season. He shouldn't play another game for the club and they should be actively working with him to find a move.
 
Escobar said:
Rather he will be sold. Good riddance should have never bought back
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not that he would have chosen us anyway, but maybe if we never brought him back we could be rivalling for haaland this summer also.

We chose ronaldo instead, and this is how he repays us. the guy is a coward.
 
genardk said:
Most Juve fans would disagree with you.. Most think it was a major mistake to bring in Ronaldo.. You can post above in Juve forums so they can educate you on the matter in detail as you seem to have a complete opposite view. The team without Ronaldo played 2 finals in CL in 4 years in probably the most challenging CL era and already won 8 Serie As in a row before his arrival. Results before/after speak for themselves.

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You keep ignoring that results before he arrived were with a balanced team. By the team he arrived you were a top heavy team with an elite attack + defence with a dying midfield department. By the end of his first season with you it was completely dead. That is why after you added him your side got progressively worse with the proof in him not being the problem evidenced in the insignificant change in levels for a full season even after he departed. Since you still haven't sorted out the midfield malaise. Having the guys like Chiesa who you lost to injury fit would have simply papered over that issue.

I will also forever insist you cannot claim to understand football and blame a single player, most especially one who plays the most dependant role in a team structure. On the entire structure collapsing due to loss of form, poor performance and attitude up and down the entire line up and squad.
 
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Adam-Utd said:
not that he would have chosen us anyway, but maybe if we never brought him back we could be rivalling for haaland this summer also.

We chose ronaldo instead, and this is how he repays us. the guy is a coward.
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No way, Haalamd was all City, no chance he would have joined that poor United over City
 
McGrathsipan said:
This could be the real reason he's stropping
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I think so.

I'm not too familiar with the workings of ETH but he might be more of a disciplinarian than SAF.

SAF didn't treat everyone the same. He knew that some players had to be on a short leash, and players like Eric Cantona, etc, were allowed more tolerance.
 
Joel Miller said:
Get a life.
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Unlike you I don't lack one

Joel Miller said:
The only thing you’re proving here is that

a) you have far too much time on your hands
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If this latest delusion of yours had any basis in reality. I wouldn't take this long after your posts to reply to your shenanigans.
Joel Miller said:
b) what you know about football could be written on the back of a postage stamp with a bingo pen
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You clearly think I reside in your mirror. Given I'm not the type who refutes 15 years of provable proffesional experience and personal testimony of teammates with a bogus claim that they can't talk freely, like you do
Joel Miller said:
c) your attachment to Ronaldo is forcing you to out yourself as a liar and a colossal hypocrite
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Repeating lie till you're blue in the face will never make it true. Its amazing you truly believe this delusion that I'm attached to CR7. Yet this is the most I've posted about him in a while. Even more moronic is claiming I'm a CR7 fanboi. Like I'd give a rats arse if he leaves. Yet united has secured ten Hag as a coach and are free of Woodward's influence :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
Adam-Utd said:
not that he would have chosen us anyway, but maybe if we never brought him back we could be rivalling for haaland this summer also.

We chose ronaldo instead, and this is how he repays us. the guy is a coward.
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rivalling for Haaland ? I will have a pint of what you are on. He was never coming to United.
 
Escobar said:
No way, Haalamd was all City, no chance he would have joined that poor United over City
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Thats the point though, we weren't poor before he joined.

2nd place and going into the season on a high, it all fell apart once Ronaldo joined - coincidence or not.

Maybe if he didn't join we could have kept it together and competed for Haaland.
 
Escobar said:
No way, Haalamd was all City, no chance he would have joined that poor United over City
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If City were stuck with Ronaldo wanting to start every game and we'd have invested his £500k a week in a midfielder last summer instead things 'might' have looked a lot different.
 
Feck off Ronaldo. Effectively on strike.

Couldnt care less about the contract, the club or the fans

He should have made his feelings clear at the start of Summer to give us time to plan and prepare

the issue with moving him on is that with his ego he probably thinks he should be starting for a top side

cant think of many who would want him as a starter
 
He has a history of wanted to leave Manchester United. The first time, SAF convinced him to stay for one more year, but that was when Ronaldo was heading towards his peak.

It's different now. He's past his prime. If I was Ten Hag I would commission a sale as soon as possible.

I'd even be willing to rip up his contract.

We've indulged egos and players who think they are bigger than the club for far too long. If Ronaldo wants to go... bye bye.

I've always liked him as a player, but as a person, I have my reservations. I certainly wouldn't class him as a United legend.
 
The idea that Ronaldo wants to start every game is overblown IMO. He was comfortable sitting out 10+ league games per season at Madrid in his final years. He just wants a competitive squad. The lack of competitiveness and quality of the squad forces him to play more than he would like.

If he was in a team with a similar stature of those Madrid sides, I’m 100% sure he would make no fuss about sitting out ~25% of games and prioritising/keeping himself fit for the biggest matches.
 
genardk said:
Most Juve fans would disagree with you.. Most think it was a major mistake to bring in Ronaldo.. You can post above in Juve forums so they can educate you on the matter in detail as you seem to have a complete opposite view. The team without Ronaldo played 2 finals in CL in 4 years in probably the most challenging CL era and already won 8 Serie As in a row before his arrival. Results before/after speak for themselves.

Ronaldo centric system made Juve a weaker team which is a fact shared by most fans that's why we did not even care about his departure before his contract end. The only thing we cared about was the timing. It was a very unprofessional and cowardly move right after the season started. If he left earlier, we would have time to bring in a new striker. Instead, we had to rely on Morata. Despite that and Dybala, Chiesa injuries, we finished in the same place in Serie A.. Now seeing the way he is treating United, I am not even surprised, the guy only cares about his stats, doesn't have much leadership qualities or loyalty, widely seen as an egomaniac..
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Juve fans and basically anyone who disagrees with him are all delusional idiots though you know. It’s a shame Gigi Buffon isn’t on the forum to be educated by the guru over there. Apparently sweeping key details under the rug doesn’t make said poster a fanboy either. Anyway prepare yourself for some bloated, multi-quoted pile of drivel.

You’ve nailed it though, he only cares about himself and his own stats. He hasn’t been good for this side at all and the fact he’s not away with the squad right now speaks volumes for where this is going. He can do one as far as I’m concerned, hopefully the fanboys who cling to his past glories for dear life will follow suit. And by the way, even when he was in his prime team mates and ex team mates have made reference to his rather self centred approach, and I’m talking senior players, not kids who would be terrified to ever utter a bad word against him, I think that speaks volumes to be honest.
 
Leftback99 said:
If City were stuck with Ronaldo wanting to start every game and we'd have invested his £500k a week in a midfielder last summer instead things 'might' have looked a lot different.
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What would you say if Ronaldo joined City last season?
 
sullydnl said:
The year Solskjaer got us 2nd? Nah.

Liverpool were still playing better football than us, as measured either by underlying stats or simply the eye test. But, for various reasons, their better general standard of play didn't translate to better outcomes. It was absolutely no surprise that they leap-frogged us again the following year and ended up competing with City though, because they were in fact still the better team.

As with Mourinho's 2nd place finish, it was a case of the third or fourth best team in the country overachieving the general level of football they played in term of their final league placement. And in both cases the signs that we would be overtaken again if we didn't improve were already evident.

But to your point, even if the 2nd place finish flattered our general standard of play, we were still the third or fourth best team in England. So insofar as we overachieved it was by a couple of league places at most. Whereas by the same measures you could very easily argue that our 6th place finish this season flattered our general level of play just as much.

So for all that we might quibble about how good we were in previous seasons or how representative that 2nd place finish really was, it's still very evident that something or some things caused us to get rapidly and starkly worse this season. Pointing out that our prior league finish flattered us doesn't really change that, because it only flattered us so much.
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Fine we were the 3rd best then -

yet we went from 3rd to 6th which is still a massive drop.

The season before the 2nd place we were 3rd place too - so highlights where we were mostly in the league.

We ended up not 2nd, not 3rd, not 4th, not even 5th - but 6th.

That’s some mad results and performances and the performances to some could be seen by the difference we played pre-Ronaldo vs post Ronaldo.

Ronaldo became our main player rather than Bruno and fecked everything up.

A striker with just finishing and heading ability - no runs, link up play and holding ability- became a player that also skipped training the moment he got dropped.

Anyone else’s name and he would have got killed for thinking he is bigger than the club.

Cliques also forming inside the team. Hmm.

Let the cnut leave ASAP so we can try be a top 4 club again.

We maybe not the 2nd best club in the league during Ole’a tenure but we were never the 6th best until the moment Ronaldo joined our first 11.

That’s just truth.
 
shamans said:
So you're saying Rangnick and Ole were both completely stupid for playing and backing Ronaldo? They should have listend to Ladron de redcafe?

Also, I'm guessing the games we lost without Ronaldo was a "fluke" as well.
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Are you saying both were completely stupid for playing McGuire, Rashford and everyone else you think are responsible for the team underperforming BUT Ronaldo?

I'm not the one using the word fluke. You are.
United finished 2nd without Ronaldo and it definitely wasn't a fluke regardless of how often you repeat that word. We then finished 6th as soon as he joined which wasn't a fluke either.
 
genardk said:
Most Juve fans would disagree with you.. Most think it was a major mistake to bring in Ronaldo.. You can post above in Juve forums so they can educate you on the matter in detail as you seem to have a complete opposite view. The team without Ronaldo played 2 finals in CL in 4 years in probably the most challenging CL era and already won 8 Serie As in a row before his arrival. Results before/after speak for themselves.

Ronaldo centric system made Juve a weaker team which is a fact shared by most fans that's why we did not even care about his departure before his contract end. The only thing we cared about was the timing. It was a very unprofessional and cowardly move right after the season started. If he left earlier, we would have time to bring in a new striker. Instead, we had to rely on Morata. Despite that and Dybala, Chiesa injuries, we finished in the same place in Serie A.. Now seeing the way he is treating United, I am not even surprised, the guy only cares about his stats, doesn't have much leadership qualities or loyalty, widely seen as an egomaniac..
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Which is what he's doing now. Waiting until the last minute to ask for a transfer to make sure it's as difficult as possible for the team to sort out a replacement.

Juventus were 5th before the benched him for the last match of last season and catapulted the 4th placed team in the last match without him. They repeated a top 4 finish this year without him.

I'll bet United end up better than 6th, with more points.
 
KeanoMagicHat said:
We signed Ronaldo, Sancho, Varane last summer, which on paper was one of the best summer's we could do. Liverpool fans were complaining about lack of transfers. We "won" the transfer window. Counts for nothing. It's Ferdinand that carries a large responsibility himself for pushing Ronaldo through so late and disrupting the team.
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Ferdinand's fault?
 
I find the general media narrative around the idea that we are a one man team aka ronaldo and without him we would have been doomed last season and will be this season as well if he leaves just completely wrong.

I honestly don't even think he is in the top 10 best players in the world currently and that is being generous as I can think of a great deal of attackers I would rather have over ronaldo currently let alone midfielders as well if given then choice
 
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