i think its hard to know whats really going on here. I have a feeling that ETH may even be pushing to get rid of Ronaldo if they can bring in a replacement in a similar position.. Even this sideshow at them moment with the media counting every day missed by Ronaldo is overshadowing pre-season.
Ronaldo: Stay or go?
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Changed my vote to out, nobody is bigger than the club and as much as I love Ronaldo as a player, as a United fan none of this sideshow sits well with me.
Out of pre-season makes no sense for any professional, which has made me lean towards maybe there is actual family issues.
But this is dragging out a bit while his camp sits radio silent smells more like a ploy than an actual incident, time to go and for us to find a young, fresh and hungry replacement for the manager to work with.
Out of pre-season makes no sense for any professional, which has made me lean towards maybe there is actual family issues.
But this is dragging out a bit while his camp sits radio silent smells more like a ploy than an actual incident, time to go and for us to find a young, fresh and hungry replacement for the manager to work with.
Rather than fanny around for the rest of the window or keep a player who doesn't want to be here surely we should give him his wish with a caveat.....
let Ronaldo buy himself out of his contract even at a discounted price. Give us 5/10m and walk Ronaldo if it isnt about money
let Ronaldo buy himself out of his contract even at a discounted price. Give us 5/10m and walk Ronaldo if it isnt about money
He is, remember his arrogant 'England are going to win the Euros, nobody can match us' too, that went well. Of course, he was the one who originated the 'Ole's at the Wheel'. The rest of what he said was 'let him put a number on the contract, give him whatever' and 'United are back'. This again created the narrative that Ole desperately needed a contract before the season was out (should have waited until the end of the season and then review as he wasn't in contention for any other job).
Scholes gets the most abuse for his punditry of United ex-pros but at least he's just like an honest man at the pub, Ferdinand comes out with terrible stuff that stick and influence decisions.
That poster seems quite certain that he knows the inner workings of Juve better than Juve fans and players
)Ronaldo is in a really weird situation, I mean hard to imagine the extent of risk he is taking that could potentially ruin his legacy at United and overall reputation at 37. He is said to love huge challenges. What could be a better challenge than trying to revive your team after a below average season at two legendary clubs like United & Juve (especially at United where he began his career)? Yet, he is now again on the market 2 years in a row before his contract end and looks desperate to find a team, making him kind of hard to defend even for his biggest fans..
That's the double edge sword associated with narcissism, there's always this huge hunger, ambition for success (such people do not need extra motivation) but that comes with a degree of toxicity in character..
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That is a really interesting post.
Love this post.
Spot on
Anytime I see your post it's something against Ronaldo. Take a deep breath man he's going to another club.
If the rumoured number from Chelsea is true and we got Cristiano for 2-3M and his massive wages then it was ultimately a good move. Martial didn't look up for it at Sevilla and without someone to score goals, I think we end up 8th or 9th last season.
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...stars-will-not-make-your-football-club-better
The question is whether this is how you build a team. And the other numbers are also simple. With Ronaldo United scored 57 league goals. In four previous seasons without him they scored 73, 66, 65 and 68. While Ronaldo was restocking his highlights reel, every other striker at the club fell off a cliff. Any idea of a grooved system of play fell apart. As they said in Italy, Ronaldo is the solution to the problem he causes. Oh no, we can’t play like an elite, tactically and physically complete modern team. But wait. Luckily we have a brilliant sniper-striker who can still make us just about competitive.
The question is whether this is how you build a team. And the other numbers are also simple. With Ronaldo United scored 57 league goals. In four previous seasons without him they scored 73, 66, 65 and 68. While Ronaldo was restocking his highlights reel, every other striker at the club fell off a cliff. Any idea of a grooved system of play fell apart. As they said in Italy, Ronaldo is the solution to the problem he causes. Oh no, we can’t play like an elite, tactically and physically complete modern team. But wait. Luckily we have a brilliant sniper-striker who can still make us just about competitive.
I think you are preaching to the choir mate.
The Ronaldo fanbois will never see it that way. He will always be the saviour to the 'existing' problems of his former clubs. ''The other players were just not up to his standards or ambitions.''
It's annoying that some people are so fantastically unable to see the obvious. Because they are addicted to Siu.
To be fair it's not like we were tactically competent before Ronnie rocked up, but we were better than after. Poor old Ole never stood a chance.
That's why I had said earlier -- the dream team Ole wanted to create was an interchangeable, flexible front 3. He must have watched enough June to know how static the 37y.o Ronaldo was, unlike the previous United version.
This is also why ETH wanted to have the final say-so on any transfers in his contract with United. Clearly, he must have learnt about Ole's conundrum where he was given a player brought in for commercial and financial reasons by the Glazers and Woodward -- and one that clearly didn't fit his mould.
Also when you add in that Ronaldo is taking so many shots that Fernandes used to take and Bruno was no longer getting into the same dangerous areas and using his best attributes. Bruno’s best skills are shooting and anticipation, he’s capable of playing a good pass but he’s more second striker than midfielder and Ronaldo gets in that way as shown time and again for United and Portugal.
I think you nailed it. And I think that's why more emphasis has to be placed on the impact that certain players have on teams. That's why football isn't FM (and why the Galácticos who were - on paper - the most star stacked team ever) didn't translate into an all time machine.
I like your point about Bruno needing to change his role to accommodate Ronaldo because that's true.
Ronaldo to go for me. He wants to go.. yes we will miss his goals but i feel we be more of a ”United” team with out him. Build a hungry young team. Some major young talent coming through. Let them shine… and yes you can win something with kids.
Yeah you nailed it.
We haven't had a hungry team since SAF left.
The current set of players cannot be trained or taught how to be hungry.
IMO, we need to do a complete clear-out, so the mentality changes....but that won't happen because we are a business and the players are assets.
We will drip-feed new players into the tea. They will start well, but after a few months, they'll be infected with the poor mentality and will lose their drive and will to win at any cost. 1-2 years later, that player who showed so much promise will be seen as deadwood and fans will demand he be replaced, by yet another lamb, who will also be infected and then slaughtered. Until this poor mentality is changed, nothing will change. ETH will be fired within 2-3 years and we'll get yet another manager.
I know I am sounding negative, but this is the reality. We haven't won a trophy in several years and there is nothing in place today that makes me say we will any trophy for at least another 3 years. It doesn't matter who manages us - the players' attitude and mentality are not conducive to winning at the highest level. Their poor mentality is reinforced by the board, who fire the manager but keep the players who threw that manager under the bus.
On the subject of Ronaldo - he and DDG are the only players with the mentality required to win the biggest trophies. Bruno, too, maybe. The rest should be sold.
Really hope there is no way back from this and he’s gone.
I can’t see any club picking up sadly, and we’re stuck with him. Wish we had the balls just to come out and say he won’t play for us again regardless.
I can’t see any club picking up sadly, and we’re stuck with him. Wish we had the balls just to come out and say he won’t play for us again regardless.
Yes that's why I want him gone. He is a great player but he's coming to end of his career and he is what used to be great about United.
If we want to succeed we need forwards who not only able to contribute with goals but also defend like their lives depended on it if they don't have the ball hence my Sadio Mane reference. I'd give anything to have a striker like that in this Ten Hag team.
Amen.
This is not a footballing issue unfortunately - there is a lot more commercially surrounding Ronaldo than you can possibly imagine…..sponsorship and marketing trump his behaviour currently.
i think there will not be as many suitors as you may think - however I do not see anyway back now in terms of playing for us. And you can be sure that Mendes can get a deal done for CR7 a lot quicker than Utd can do a deal!
We were a commercial juggernaut long before
Ronaldo joined and will be long after he's left. Even Woodward wasn't able to mess that up
That poster seems quite certain that he knows the inner workings of Juve better than Juve fans and players
Ronaldo is in a really weird situation, I mean hard to imagine the extent of risk he is taking that could potentially ruin his legacy at United and overall reputation at 37. He is said to love huge challenges. What could be a better challenge than trying to revive your team after a below average season at two legendary clubs like United & Juve (especially at United where he began his career)? Yet, he is now again on the market 2 years in a row before his contract end and looks desperate to find a team, making him kind of hard to defend even for his biggest fans..
That's the double edge sword associated with narcissism, there's always this huge hunger, ambition for success (such people do not need extra motivation) but that comes with a degree of toxicity in character..
I guess he doesn't have the mental strength to deal with those challenges given that he ran away from the first and is now actively trying to run away from the second.
As they say, Ronaldo is both a solution and the problems that he creates.
The fact its being leaked the players are being properly coached, and are buying into TH training methods, and I dont think he will suffer fools gladly, will start to change the mentality. We have to start somewhere. Why not now? Otherwise we might as well fold.
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I guess there is always the option of taking a walk in Paris in your early 30s?
We know he threw himself at them and got rejected
Now he's trying to do the same with Bayern.We know he threw himself at them and got rejected
The mighty uber eats league!
In terms of goals we can sure rely with Ronaldo,but if him(cr7) does not have club at heart let him go. Actually,if Ronaldo under perform this very coming season he will have an excuse and that would be a big problem.
Changed my vote to No. Do not want players here that does not want to be here.
Ronaldo lacks mental strength. Selling your top scorer would be a footballing decision. Reading this thread is great comic relief
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